Do you think the Mongols could have taken over Europe?

[Exception]

Do you think the Mongols would have managed to conquer Western Europe had they not needed to step back due to their succession crisis? Or do you think the at the time fragmented and unprepared European nations would have still managed to ward them off?

[Banshee Prince]

No. America would have stepped in and saved all your asses. 'Murica.

[Exception]

No. America would have stepped in and saved all your asses. 'Murica.

Darn why didn't anybody think of this

[Deleted]

Why the hell do you bother asking stupid questions like this when there is literally countless of documentaries who have gone over every single scenario into the smallest details. Unless you studied history, and mongols to be specific people can't possibly give any valuable input here.

[Exception]

Why the hell do you bother asking stupid questions like this when there is literally countless of documentaries who have gone over every single scenario into the smallest details. Unless you studied history, and mongols to be specific people can't possibly give any valuable input here.

And why are you getting your panties in a twist over the threads I make? There are many opinions about this subject, and decided to make a thread about it as I'd like to hear people's opinions and have a discussion about it. I don't udnerstand why you feel the need to be so salty about this, if it doesn't interest you don't open the thread.

[Deleted]

It's not a matter of conquering, it's a matter of holding.

Every empire crumbles sooner or later under it's own weight.

And to answer your question: No.

They had a tactical advantage that dissolves as soon as their enemies adapt.

[Sam the Wiser]

The real question is could they have taken America?

[jackofwind]

Conquered and razed, yes. Conquered and ruled, not a chance.

[Reeve]

I doubt it. As you push further westward into Europe, much more of the land is heavily forested, and not really well suited for a horse archer army. They probably could have conquered southwards into formerly Roman territory (although good luck getting past the Theodosian Walls of Constantinople without cannons), maybe even back north through France. But I think they would have had just as much trouble as the Romans did with the Germanic peoples.

[GennGreymane]

Short answer yes

long answer most likely. Europe was at the time, much weaker than other areas that they took.

[Independent voter]

Mongols pretty much slaughtered every army they came in contact with and the Mongols destroyed Russia's army and... I think the Croatian army? Too. And this was just an expeditionary force for the Mongols, not their army.

An exception were the Egyptians under the ....

[hellhamster]

Short answer yes

long answer most likely. Europe was at the time, much weaker than other areas that they took.

No they weren't.

[GennGreymane]

No they weren't.

1206 is deep dark age Europe.

[Kontinuum]

Legnica 1241 Never Forget

[GennGreymane]

A lot of those areas were in better positions economically, militarily, and socially, and the environments also varied greatly.

[hellhamster]

1206 is deep dark age Europe.

The European Dark age is related to knowledge, not military strength.

[GennGreymane]

The European Dark age is related to knowledge, not military strength.

Technology was also at a low point. They also weren't doing that hot in the crusades at this point.

[breadisfunny]

they would have had a hard time with germany. lots of trees and swamps and little open ground for horses.

[hellhamster]

Technology was also at a low point. They also weren't doing that hot in the crusades at this point.

1206 was literally the fourth Crusade age. Technology was not at a low point, what makes you think that, because someone later dubbed that age as "dark"?

[Exception]

I doubt it. As you push further westward into Europe, much more of the land is heavily forested, and not really well suited for a horse archer army. They probably could have conquered southwards into formerly Roman territory (although good luck getting past the Theodosian Walls of Constantinople without cannons), maybe even back north through France. But I think they would have had just as much trouble as the Romans did with the Germanic peoples.

Didn't the Mongols have the best siege weapons at the time though? They were capable of taking down some of the greatest fortifications in Asia.