World Fantasy award drops HP Lovecraft as prize image

[ro9ue]

We're all probably doing something on a regular basis right now that will be looked upon in disgust in 200 years. Like refusing to have genetically modified babies, which is within our power. I can hear the future voices of the SJWs... "OMG HOW COULD THOSE MONSTERS JUST LET THEIR KIDS BE BORN WITH DEFECTS".

Probably not a perfect analogy but you can catch my drift.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Great, proud of a society that refuses to embrace racist.

[Fencers]

I disagree.

If the writers you are giving the bust to feel conflicted and/or uncomfortable with the depiction of Lovecraft representing their craft- as a committee issuing awards to writers for forward thinking fiction, one of the most reasonable things to do is changing the award depiction.

Doing so does not deny Lovecraft his influence either. It merely doesn't place a particular honor on Lovecraft alone in the genre.

None of these people uncomfortable with the bust denied Lovecraft's importance to the genre according to the article. It seems some felt the depiction was a little problematic in current culture.

[stomination]

We might as well change the U.S dollar. The guy owned slaves.

[buck008]

If the writers you are giving the bust to feel conflicted and/or uncomfortable with the depiction of Lovecraft representing their craft- as a committee issuing awards to writers for forward thinking fiction, one of the most reasonable things to do is changing the award depiction.

Doing so does not deny Lovecraft his influence either. It merely doesn't place a particular honor on Lovecraft alone in the genre.

None of these people uncomfortable with the bust denied Lovecraft's importance to the genre according to the article. It seems some felt the depiction was a little problematic in current culture.

The award isn't for forward thinking fiction though. It's for excellence in the genre. Since most of the pioneers of the genre come from a very different time, you'll have quite the issue with finding anyone acceptable. So from there, one of two things happen. The committee will scramble to find the most significant minority writer it can come up with or they'll name it something generic related to the genre. This is all done instead of understanding that Lovecraft was born in 1890 and the world was different and just appreciating his work.

[Fencers]

The award isn't for forward thinking fiction though.

It is one of the most prominent awards for speculative fiction. In the vulgar, we can simply say forward thinking fiction. If this is troublesome for you, I don't mind dropping the term. But it is a misdirection and minor point of contention.

Since most of the pioneers of the genre come from a very different time, you'll have quite the issue with finding anyone acceptable.

They have no reason as to the award representing a person. They don't have to do that, necessarily.

This is all done instead of understanding that Lovecraft was born in 1890 and the world was different and just appreciating his work.

It seems many understand this and none seem to be diminishing Lovecraft's influence. They just don't think Lovecraft himself is totally worth honoring with a bust for this prize.

[ro9ue]

That's like saying we should just blow up Mt Rushmore because 3 of the 4 were slaveowners.

[lonely zergling]

That's like saying we should just blow up Mt Rushmore because 3 of the 4 were slaveowners.

That's next. Don't give them ideas .

[zorkuus]

It seems many understand this and none seem to be diminishing Lovecraft's influence.

I'm not so sure of that. Probably plenty people out there advocating this only for the PC/SJW agenda.

“THEY JUST ANNOUNCED THE WORLD FANTASY AWARD WILL NO LONGER BE HP LOVECRAFT. WE DID IT. YOU DID IT. IT’S DONE. YESSSSSSSS,” tweeted Older.

Seems all too familiar.

[Herecius]

Bullshit. This is utter bullshit.

Man, fuck these guys. Holding a historical figure accountable for what was societal norms, for language that was common vernacular, yet repugnant and terrible today. Yes, times change, but as far as I'm concerned, this is as stupid and as bad as pretending that that shit never happened in the first place.

Lovecraft is an incredible author, with one of the most vivid and powerful imaginations in existence. Fuck these guys. The people who push for these kinds of changes are the kind of fools that would prefer to see Lovecraft's works banned, and generally removed from public consciousness, and that... that is infuriating in a way that no single racial insult could ever be.

[Rixis]

You should see some of the comments on Good Reads for the James Bond books.

On the plus side, some people want to use a black woman as the new award, so they get to tick two of the happy feel good boxes there.

[apepi]

So when are we going to start taking people off our money now?

[Aeula]

If the writers you are giving the bust to feel conflicted and/or uncomfortable with the depiction of Lovecraft representing their craft- as a committee issuing awards to writers for forward thinking fiction, one of the most reasonable things to do is changing the award depiction.

Doing so does not deny Lovecraft his influence either. It merely doesn't place a particular honor on Lovecraft alone in the genre.

None of these people uncomfortable with the bust denied Lovecraft's importance to the genre according to the article. It seems some felt the depiction was a little problematic in current culture.

That's like a black person asking for his wage to be given in cents instead of $1 bills because he finds George Washington offensive due to his slave ownership. Life doesn't work like that. People need to learn to deal with it.

[Super Kami Dende]

What utter fucking stupidity.

Once more the PC moral outrage brigade wins because people are too scared to be improperly called racist these days.

[Gohzerlock]

But Lovecraft is such a great author! Wouldn't it be ironic if they started burning his books?

[enragedgorilla]

http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...as-prize-image

http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...y-prize-emblem

Pathetic.

Need to get rid of Twain as well then...and the guys who wrote the US constitution.
Among many others.

[Fencers]

I'm not so sure of that. Probably plenty people out there advocating this only for the PC/SJW agenda.

I am not going to be concerned with conspiracy theory nonsense by 'they' organizations with agendas.

That's like a black person asking for his wage to be given in cents instead of $1 bills because he finds George Washington offensive due to his slave ownership. Life doesn't work like that. People need to learn to deal with it.

Not an equal comparison. Money is essential to modern society. One does not typically get paid in dollar bills (wtf?). African-Americans were not the only slaves in America. A literary prize is not legal compensation for labor.

Also these award winners did not refute or give back the awards or even demean the award. Some award winners and observers simply had issues and/or conflicted feelings toward the bust being of H.P. Lovecraft. The award givers felt it was reasonable to feel that way by their honorees and thus are changing the prize likeness- as is the award giver's right and want to do.

Portraying this change as a 'slap in the face of Lovecraft by PC weirdos!' is sensationalism and overblown.

[Ilfayt]

Well, if we're doing that, can we get rid of any awards associated with Doctor Seuss. I'll use the same reasoning and maybe the PC crowd will go along with it! Except I'll do it cause I actually have hated Dr. Seuss since I was young(only ever liked Green Eggs and Ham, despised most of the rest).

[Halicia]

So when are we going to start taking people off our money now?

Gonna have to white-out half the names (or more) on the declaration of independence too.

Heck, might wanna burn the constitution too for all the racism in that document. Its all propoganda, ya know ?

[Tulune]

Fight actual, tangible racism is today's society? No way, let's attack a dead man instead!

SJW logic.