Need info about Kharazim

[Archon14]

Hello everyone, I want to buy Kharazim and play him as dps, but I never seem to play with one or against one to really judge.

Is he good enough to be a decent damage dealer?
And also is he a good support?

I really like his playstyle, but I'm worried if he's really viable. Tell me your experiences, please.

[Villager720]

He's a lot of fun and great for sustained team fights. (He is melee though which is unique for a support, thus meaning you'll need to be careful not to be deleted quickly in said team fights.) He's also great as a support because he really can do a decently powerful damage build, so if you get stuck with another support you're not double healing.

[Syyran]

He is melee though which is unique for a support

So Uther is not a support anymore?

[Archon14]

So Uther is not a support anymore?

It's funny because his avatar is Uther.

[Tziva]

So Uther is not a support anymore?

Also Rehgar!

[ttak82]

I have seen a few of those in QM, and have also been at the receiving end of a complete 7 sided strike which wrecked me (I dont remember the character or team members). Anyway, the damage trait kinda limits you to use that heroic if you want to maximize your output and it means you don't have a big CD for soloing merc camps. Also using 7 sided strikes requires you to be near a cluster of heroes otherwise you can end up wasting it if there is a single target who is running away. You will absolutely need support (ironic) in teamfights in the form of slows and stuns otherwise you will just get focused down or be forced to dash to allies to escape.

I mostly played the healing trait or mana return trait myself when he was on free rotation. The few times I did do the damage build, I lost the matches - so I feel I have yet to get accustomed to this style. What I did notice was: lack of mana, lower survivability on soloing siege or bruiser camps. I mean you can take camps at higher levels, but expect to do that with a lot less hp left. I tend to enjoy spamming breath of heaven (the W move) and in the damage build, that's very costly.

[Ryme]

I've played a damage build in QM where I wasn't the only healer, it's actually more impressive than I was expecting. You need the target to be disabled or occupied so that you can get the full duration of your channelled fist attacks but you'll burst pretty well for a healer.

That said, if you're playing this purely to do damage, get a true damage dealer instead.

[Nikkaszal]

He isn't threatening enough to be a "pure" damage dealer due to his lack of lockdown, but he is a very effective hybrid in double-support teams by building damage but picking up the healing trait

You should ALWAYS be taking the healing trait. Iron Fists is a small damage gain in exchange for tossing away the one of the best self-sustains in the game. I would only ever pick up Iron Fists if we ended up with three supports.

Never, ever, ever, EVER take the mana talent. It's a trap. Having it means you end up spending more mana anyway on W to keep you and others healthy in situations where Transcendence would top people off for free. Play smart, don't chug through your abilities willy-nilly, and you will never have a mana problem at all.

[ttak82]

I've played a damage build in QM where I wasn't the only healer, it's actually more impressive than I was expecting. You need the target to be disabled or occupied so that you can get the full duration of your channelled fist attacks but you'll burst pretty well for a healer.

That said, if you're playing this purely to do damage, get a true damage dealer instead.

yes, best advice.

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He isn't threatening enough to be a "pure" damage dealer due to his lack of lockdown, but he is a very effective hybrid in double-support teams by building damage but picking up the healing trait

You should ALWAYS be taking the healing trait. Iron Fists is a small damage gain in exchange for tossing away the one of the best self-sustains in the game. I would only ever pick up Iron Fists if we ended up with three supports.

Never, ever, ever, EVER take the mana talent. It's a trap. Having it means you end up spending more mana anyway on W to keep you and others healthy in situations where Transcendence would top people off for free. Play smart, don't chug through your abilities willy-nilly, and you will never have a mana problem at all.

You are correct about the mana cap issue with the mana trait. You end up with a lot of it in that trait. It has lesser value in teamfights. But it's so much fun to spam Ws, especially when you are soloing merc caps - really good on BHB - and it requires at least one more support to work in teamfights (the real downside as it means less damage). Another advantage is in assisting specialists while pushing towers as you can just survive a bit longer with more frequent Ws - which you will be refreshing during waveclear. In essence, this trait is a specialist trait, which most people tend to ignore in favor of transcendence. Your usefulness in teamfights then only depends on whether you can be there to use your heroics at the right time.

Edit: in the next patch, Insight is getting a buff. Which probably opens a few more talent options for this trait as it is dependent on the rapid fists.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah I feel like they have some work to do balancing the traits.

Khara is a really frustrating hero to vs., he heals like a motherfucker and can pressure you back at the same time.

[Well]

You should NOT buy Kharazim if you want something to dps with. Kharazim is not a damage dealing character by any means.

[PosPosPos]

Khara isn't a support for the weak hearted/mechanically impaired. Take him to support at your own risk, seen too many fail khara supports as is.

You should NOT buy Kharazim if you want something to dps with. Kharazim is not a damage dealing character by any means.

Uh, he's not the best damage dealer overall, but his damage during skirmishes and laning is one of the best in the game.

[Vicarious]

Edit: in the next patch, Insight is getting a buff. Which probably opens a few more talent options for this trait as it is dependent on the rapid fists.

For it to "open up" anything it would have to matter at all how much mana it is giving, which it does not. You can play a whole game without conserving mana, barely go to the healing well, and not ever be out of mana. Transcendance is always better.

[Raugnaut]

You should NOT buy Kharazim if you want something to dps with. Kharazim is not a damage dealing character by any means.

5x Hundred Fists + Ult at 20 = dead enemy hero. He is one of the more superior duelists.

[Lesane]

5x Hundred Fists + Ult at 20 = dead enemy hero. He is one of the more superior duelists.

Who the fuck duels at level 20 though?

On-topic: He's a support. He's not as bad at damage as some of the other supports, but you really shouldn't play him as a damage dealer unless you're playing QM and there's 2 other supports or something. You're far more useful as a support and the way he plays is that you need to do damage to heal, so unless you want to stroke your e-peen on damage numbers I don't see why you'd want to go DPS on him.

[Nikkaszal]

5x Hundred Fists + Ult at 20 = dead enemy hero. He is one of the more superior duelists.

And at 20 everyone has all their offensive cooldowns to blow you up faster or defensive cooldowns/Bolt to negate your damage, plus unless they're stupid they will be rolling with the rest of their team all the time including their support

Rehgar can easily duel anyone to death at 20 with W and Feral Lunge but you don't see it happening because there is almost never a 1v1 situation post-20

[Archon14]

Thank you guys for the answers.

Only support I play is Tyrande, so Kharazim sounds good to me if I'll be able to fight and help in that way as well as in healing. I am going to wait for the new heroes and try out the dryad before spending gold on Kharazim.

Also, do you think Divine Palm would be a better choice for ulti even if I try to go as damage? (if the damage ulti is hard to pull off)

but he is a very effective hybrid in double-support teams by building damage but picking up the healing trait

Sounds like something I would like to do. Unless dryad hero is amazing, I'll grab him.

[Nikkaszal]

Thank you guys for the answers.

Only support I play is Tyrande, so Kharazim sounds good to me if I'll be able to fight and help in that way as well as in healing. I am going to wait for the new heroes and try out the dryad before spending gold on Kharazim.

Also, do you think Divine Palm would be a better choice for ulti even if I try to go as damage? (if the damage ulti is hard to pull off)



Sounds like something I would like to do. Unless dryad hero is amazing, I'll grab him.

Does the other team have HEAVY burst and you're lacking an Ancestral Healing/Divine Shield etc? Smart Divine Palms will win fights. Otherwise leave it to your other supp and take SSS - not just for the damage but also for the immunity/untargetable frames.

[Mormolyce]

I just want to say that despite the impression this thread gives he DOES do strong damage by support standards. Just not assassin-level (like Tyrande can be). IMO.

[Well]

5x Hundred Fists + Ult at 20 = dead enemy hero. He is one of the more superior duelists.

Right, because what you in hots is dueling.

Kharazim is not a damage dealer. If you think you can dps as Kharazim, you are going to cost your team the match.