I'm confused, wowhead lists RSK cooldown as 8 sec.
Can someone else confirm the actual cooldown of RSK on alpha? (and BOK too, if possible)
Also, the latest buff to CJL makes ranged DPS almost as strong as melee rotation DPS (only 10 to 20% weaker, depending how well you perform the melee rotation and your haste), which IHMO is the sweet spot for balancing the two against each other.
Last edited by MrCool; 2016-02-13 at 10:05 AM.
See Effect#8 on http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=137024/mistweaver-monk
I *have* Alpha. It's 12 sec for RSK and 3 for BOK, both cds reduced by Haste, so the rotation flows nicely for RSK->BOK->TP->BOK->TP->BOK->TP->BOK->RSK->BOK-> etc. If I sounded unsure, it's because I know they could change the cooldowns basically whenever they want, and I might not notice.Apply Aura: Modifies Cooldown (11)
Value: 4 seconds
Affected Spells:
Rising Sun Kick
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Looking at a starter Lv100 MW right now. With 21.60% Haste, BOK cd is 2.47s and RSK cd is 9.86s, which means the base cooldowns are 3s and 12s and scale down with Haste.
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Hinalover pointed it out to me, actually, so you can thank him. :P He noticed it when he was doing the WW SimulationCraft stuff.
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Now that I know MW RSK/BOK cooldowns scale with haste, I'm confident that the best melee dps rotation is a priority list with RSK > BOK > TP and if the monk has to spam CJL from range, it will be consistently 20% weaker than melee rotation regardless of haste (as long as haste is not something ridiculous like over 100%, where CJL begins to overpower melee abilities due to the 1 sec GCD hard floor).
EDIT: if the boss doesn't move, a priority list RSK > BOK > CJL(2ticks) could also work if you can time CJL ticks precisely (it's hugely gimmicky tho, good luck with such a rotation :P).
Last edited by MrCool; 2016-02-13 at 10:57 AM.
CJL probably does equal DPS when you take into account boss armor.
Felt like FWing was doing more DPS out in the world. They may have tweaked the SP coefficients since then though.
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Are you taking into account autoattacks and the passives? i.e. http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=2020...-the-monastery, I think that may be the only one now (?)
Maybe Antoine or Hina could get FWing and CJL working pretty easily, and then you could use sims to guess a few APLs and see which one does the most DPS. There aren't many abilities, so it's probably straightforward. My guess is that you'd want to TP before RSK at least, but maybe not.
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Would be nice if TFT had some FW-enhancing option as well.
My simulator does take in account Teachings of the Monastery passive and autoattacks.
The only issue was with RSK cooldown of 12 sec and Haste interaction with RSK/BOK I wasn't aware of, this has been corrected.
I'm fairly sure that it is better to use RSK when available, then BOK when available, then TP as filler. Using TP intentionally before a RSK to get the damage boost buff yields worse DPS overall if my simulation is correct, but I should double check that. My simulation also suggests that replacing TP filler by 2 ticks of CJL may yield marginally better DPS. But it's tricky to juuust channel CJL for 2 ticks.
@Reglitch : my simulation was against a 30% armor target, against which melee rotation deals 25% more damage than CJL spam. On the other hand, CJL is probably better in PVP as targets can have over 50% armor (i.e: plate classes or mages that kite you forever).
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My simulator is too simplistic, so I won't release its code. It's something I wrote quickly to exclusively simulate MW DPS, thus it's a mess of hardcoded values and interactions
That being said, if you tell me what PL you'd like to test with what parameters (armor, ...), I can run it for you.
My simulator uses the following parameters: autoattackSpeed, autoattackEquivalentAttackPowerCoefficient, haste, armor, magicResistance, simulationDuration
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Mine is made in javascript, that's about as simple as you get mate
26 sec rem [50% haste]:
https://plot.ly/~rp4rk/12.embed
32 sec rem [50% haste]:
https://plot.ly/~rp4rk/14.embed
32 sec rem [25% haste]:
https://plot.ly/~rp4rk/16.embed
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That's kinda why I was suggesting SimC. They have exact armor values for level 100-113 targets already, high-fidelity sims and procs, etc.
And when I say FWing was doing more damage than CJL, I mean way more damage. Like maybe 2x. I think they might have buffed CJL since that build though.
And FYI Windwalker was doing at least like 2-4x my FWing damage as MW, so it seems underpowered still (?). Talents, Tigereye Brew, Touch of Death, Artifact stuff, etc. puts FWing kinda far behind, it seems for now.
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