Raiding frustrations

[Primal82]

This will very probably just turn into a post with me venting my frustrations, but alas here we go.

So my guild is situated on a rather low population realm. We are not hardcore by any means, a few mythic kills under our belts and that suits me fine. That's kinda the level I want to play at these days so no problem there for me.

However it's how we actually approach our raids that annoys the shit out of me. There is literally no loot system in place with a simple "roll if you want it" approach taken. As you can imagine this has led to some loot discrepancies amongst our raid group and growing malcontent.

Our officer team and raid leader are often the ones least au fait with boss tactics.

We have people turning up to raid without consumables, or expecting summons from their garrison due to simple laziness. Hell some of our core raiders can't be assed to get flying. Some turn up looking enchants and gems done mid raid rather than sorting beforehand. Some people seem to need to take time to redo their UIs mid raid.

That's all annoying enough and I'm sure happens here and there in many guilds. Don't get me wrong it wasn't always like this, it just seems to have got a lot worse lately. The one thing that really irks me though is the length of time we spend in wipe recovery. Someone brings up some random topic of conversation completely unrelated to what we are doing and a few people trail off on a tangent for a while without any officer pulling the focus back. Part of the growing problem here I guess is that the guild doesn't seem to socialise in game outside of raids so raid time has now become social time... I actually started a stopwatch to see the downtime. It averaged at 7 minutes...

Am I right to be annoyed here or am I overreacting and expecting too much?

[Deleted]

Well progression, through any content as a team, is a group effort. If 50% of your raiders comes prepared and the other 50% doesn't then you guys don't work very well as a team, either they don't understand that or they're just bad and lazy players in general.

[Aqua]

Mmmm well maybe your team has less free time to socialize outside of raid time? Remember the population of the raiding community is aging.

And that socialization is key to ensuring that you all still like hanging around one another and accomplishing things together.

I get it, I've been there, and I've had to pull focus back to it myself and even catch myself doing that very thing when something funny and interesting catches my ear, and I feel talking to the officers to try and pull things back to focus a little faster is probably all you need to do. You sound like you're in a good place otherwise and It'd be a shame to have to move on because of something so trivial.

Officers have to start penalizing the people who show up unprepared, the way we did it, no rolling on loot you can't use instantly (i.e.: Gemmed and Enchanted it), no rolling at all without full flasks, runes and 125 food. Showing up late requires pre organization with an officer or no rolling on loot that raid.

[AgilityTank]

sounds like op needs to find a guild that suits their enjoyment more

[Deleted]

Mythic + Low Pop Realm = Bad Decision. Leave the guild, migrate to good realms and find your place there.

[Deleted]

Seems there are alot of problems you aren´t happy with and from experience in these kind of situations, they wont change soon either. Soon the drama will just get worse and you will lose players and not be able to raid mythic. Just find another guild that suits you better. You prefer the lower pace of progress and this doesnt mean you have to go out and find some "hardcore" raiding guilds. Having fun with decent progress doesnt mean u cant have a serious mindset towards raiding.

[Hotmail]

You can reach out to them. Politely share your concerns and offer concrete solutions (preferably in private) and if they're not interested then simply move on.

[Deleted]

Well you're technically right to get annoyed but, that just means you need find yourself a different guild. It's either that or try to reason with the officers to change stuff. But from what you're describing the latter won't work.

There's many different kind of guilds. In some (like yours), random rolling for loot, under performing, not having consumables etc is "ok" as they have a more casual approach. In others any of the above is unacceptable.

So like I said, my suggestion would be to just look for a guild that fits your needs. If you find it hard to judge/estimate that, just try look into wowprogress. Usually a guild page + the guild's progress (+ kill vods if available) tell you what you need to know.

[Deja Thoris]

If you don't like it try to change it. If you can't change it decide if you can tolerate it. If you can't tolerate it then move on.

That'll be fifty dorrah for the advice thanks!

[Ahovv]

This will very probably just turn into a post with me venting my frustrations, but alas here we go.

So my guild is situated on a rather low population realm. We are not hardcore by any means, a few mythic kills under our belts and that suits me fine. That's kinda the level I want to play at these days so no problem there for me.

However it's how we actually approach our raids that annoys the shit out of me. There is literally no loot system in place with a simple "roll if you want it" approach taken. As you can imagine this has led to some loot discrepancies amongst our raid group and growing malcontent.

Our officer team and raid leader are often the ones least au fait with boss tactics.

We have people turning up to raid without consumables, or expecting summons from their garrison due to simple laziness. Hell some of our core raiders can't be assed to get flying. Some turn up looking enchants and gems done mid raid rather than sorting beforehand. Some people seem to need to take time to redo their UIs mid raid.

That's all annoying enough and I'm sure happens here and there in many guilds. Don't get me wrong it wasn't always like this, it just seems to have got a lot worse lately. The one thing that really irks me though is the length of time we spend in wipe recovery. Someone brings up some random topic of conversation completely unrelated to what we are doing and a few people trail off on a tangent for a while without any officer pulling the focus back. Part of the growing problem here I guess is that the guild doesn't seem to socialise in game outside of raids so raid time has now become social time... I actually started a stopwatch to see the downtime. It averaged at 7 minutes...

Am I right to be annoyed here or am I overreacting and expecting too much?

If the level you want to play at these days involves "a few mythic kills" then the guild you are in is what you should expect.

Any decent guild which has been raiding HFC since June should have killed Archimonde months ago. If you're ok with the progression aspects and want higher raiding standards, you may be able to find a guild which recently returned but has a history of being more competitive.

[Gaidax]

So my guild is situated on a rather low population realm. We are not hardcore by any means, a few mythic kills under our belts and that suits me fine. That's kinda the level I want to play at these days so no problem there for me.

Not sure what you are complaining about, you won't have any "serious" guild having only a couple of laid-back Mythic kills.

Either step up and get serious yourself and move on or just accept that you can't really expect anything much if you are happy with laid-back progress.

[Deleted]

No loot system will save you from people. If they want to ninja you they will. That's why I stopped caring about the loot system.

My current raid team does not have any system at all. It's practically a loot council of all, with some mild weight on the leaders.

It's more annoying having a meticulous system of extreme complexity points and whatnot. That was for 40man guilds or so.

[BiggestNoob]

So the TLDR is that your guild:

1. Doesn't come prepared to raid.
2. Spends raid time chatting instead of raiding.
3. Doesn't focus on improving.

These are generally how more social/casual guilds operate. If you don't like those things, I'd suggest looking for another guild. At the end of the day, your experience in this game is completely in your hands.

[Deleted]

reason, communicate, consequence.

ie: 5 x 7 min/2h wipe recovery: 35 mins = min 3 trys lost

dkp-system (addons) is not complex at all, as there r easy to establish loot rules: like main>sec, 1.roll>2.roll etc.

if not: itz a big World Of Warcraft with 1000s of guilds recruiting skill.

[ImEveryCliche]

If I were you, I would cut my ties with the guild and server hop to a higher populated realm. Sometimes it feels like leaving a guild is hard, but you won't regret it once you find a guild better suited to your needs.

[ThePhantombox]

Small thing to dwell on here, but why would your core raiders need to get flying in the first place?

[Kuruption]

sounds like op needs to find a guild that suits their enjoyment more

Exactly.

If you aren't having fun, then find another guild and see if you have fun there.

[tclphz]

At some point, the OP needs to decide what he wants in a guild. If you're goal is to mess around, get a couple of bosses down, then the guild might be fine. If you want more serious raiding, then you probably want to look elsewhere.

[ThePants999]

Mythic + Low Pop Realm = Bad Decision. Leave the guild, migrate to good realms and find your place there.

No, wrong guild for you = bad decision, and there's a decent chance the right guild for you is on a decent realm - but don't change realm THEN find a guild. Find the right guild for you and join their realm. There are some awesome guilds on smaller realms.

[Styxxa]

Sounds like a disconnect between the aspirations/intentions of the guild and your expectations. If you're aiming to be in a social/casual raiding guild then you can't really fault them. If there's anything semi-hardcore about this guilds' objectives, then I'd have real issue with the officers because it sounds like they're the root of the problem. But again, if this is a casual guild, then it's fair game I guess.