Raiding frustrations

[callipygoustp]

This will very probably just turn into a post with me venting my frustrations, but alas here we go.

So my guild is situated on a rather low population realm. We are not hardcore by any means, a few mythic kills under our belts and that suits me fine. That's kinda the level I want to play at these days so no problem there for me.

However it's how we actually approach our raids that annoys the shit out of me. There is literally no loot system in place with a simple "roll if you want it" approach taken. As you can imagine this has led to some loot discrepancies amongst our raid group and growing malcontent.

Our officer team and raid leader are often the ones least au fait with boss tactics.

We have people turning up to raid without consumables, or expecting summons from their garrison due to simple laziness. Hell some of our core raiders can't be assed to get flying. Some turn up looking enchants and gems done mid raid rather than sorting beforehand. Some people seem to need to take time to redo their UIs mid raid.

That's all annoying enough and I'm sure happens here and there in many guilds. Don't get me wrong it wasn't always like this, it just seems to have got a lot worse lately. The one thing that really irks me though is the length of time we spend in wipe recovery. Someone brings up some random topic of conversation completely unrelated to what we are doing and a few people trail off on a tangent for a while without any officer pulling the focus back. Part of the growing problem here I guess is that the guild doesn't seem to socialise in game outside of raids so raid time has now become social time... I actually started a stopwatch to see the downtime. It averaged at 7 minutes...

Am I right to be annoyed here or am I overreacting and expecting too much?

Why stay with a guild that doesn't, collectively, have a similar raiding mindset as you? Friendship? So many guilds out there, I highly recommend finding one that is more in line with your own expectations.

[Tharkkun]

If the level you want to play at these days involves "a few mythic kills" then the guild you are in is what you should expect.

Any decent guild which has been raiding HFC since June should have killed Archimonde months ago. If you're ok with the progression aspects and want higher raiding standards, you may be able to find a guild which recently returned but has a history of being more competitive.

Keep in mind a lot of guilds just started their progression once cross-server Mythic was turned on. Especially low pop servers.

@OP: It wouldn't hurt to bring up the fact that you're dissatisfied with the amount of effort put into preparation. It may actually cause people to take notice and do better. I bitched out our raid team about not using 125 stat food and over half had no idea it was added to the game. Now we use it exclusively. But the worst that could happen is nothing changes and then you move on next expansion or sooner.

[McTurbo]

i shake my head at some of the thinking.. so you are doing something only 17% of guilds have done (wow progress.. yea i know there are inaccuracies, but its the only tool we have).. which is kill a mythic boss.. 17% ...83% of the raiding base has killed 0 mythic bosses.. hell the AVERAGE raiding guild is stuck in normal mode...with maybe hellfire assault down on heroic... after that.. you are above average..

[CptAwesome]

i shake my head at some of the thinking.. so you are doing something only 17% of guilds have done (wow progress.. yea i know there are inaccuracies, but its the only tool we have).. which is kill a mythic boss.. 17% ...83% of the raiding base has killed 0 mythic bosses.. hell the AVERAGE raiding guild is stuck in normal mode...with maybe hellfire assault down on heroic... after that.. you are above average..

I'm not sure what your point is here; "Everyone is terrible, why are you not happy being terrible too"? Who gives a fuck what the "AVERAGE" raiding is doing, you can be average and terrible at the same time. If players want to progress and kill bosses, why on earth should they remain with a guild that isn't doing that? The OP's list of annoyances would get people kicked from most pugs, he's not really asking for much.

For all your rubbish about 17% of people killing a mythic boss, have you ever tried it? Hellfire Assault is a joke on mythic, it was a joke on Day 1 with 700 ilvl, let alone with all the gear and item level upgrades we have now. If people are not killing these bosses either they have no interest in doing so or they are just bad at the game. There are no good guilds slowly struggling through heroic HFC, plenty of pugs manage it just fine.