French voters demand Frexit EU referendum

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Immigration actually has a lot to do with debt and unemployment.

No
Not at all.
Immigrants buy things, which allows businesses to develop, also, they allow the population to catch up for the loss of fertility across the country : without immigrants, the population would get older, there would be less working people and more people that you'd have to pay for aswell as less people the government could tax, just like in Japan (that is facing a pretty huge depression and has the biggest debt of all the countries in the world compared to its GDP for instance.)

Businesses developing create jobs.

Immigrants have nothing to do with debt and unemployment, because jobs are not a static thing that you have to fill with X people, the ammount of jobs changes depending on many factor, such as the ammount of people there are in the country, as more people join the country, more jobs are also created to fill their needs.

Immigrants are not free of problems though, there are still issues that are related to immigrants, but the balance is still rather positive, and there are better ways of solving the said problems than kicking immigrants out.

[sarahtasher]

Immigration actually has a lot to do with debt and unemployment.

Of course. It's the damn migrants that make for instance coal mines no longer productive.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Nope. French far right politicians said exactly the same thing toward Italian or German refugees in 1930.

Integration and immigration are serious problems in Europe. Debt and unemployment, issues that have very little to do with minorities, are much more serious problems.

Heh, well they actually didn't say the "exact thing" about those refugees so that's just comical.

Plus those people actually were refugees not just the tribe the lost the war they willingly engaged in, but that's beside the point.

[Nobar]

Yeah. I mean, how ''cuck'' and ''beta'' and ''SJW'' you have to be to think that rabid nationalism might have caused a few problem in Europe.

The choices in Europe are simple: Governance by technocrats or governance by the people. The people are choosing, surprise surprise, the people. But there are major upsides to a breakup: poorer states will need to rethink their welfare states.

[sarahtasher]

The choices in Europe are simple: Governance by technocrats or governance by the people. The people are choosing, surprise surprise, the people. But there are major upsides to a breakup: poorer states will need to rethink their welfare states.

Only Americans can think that ''collapsing social state'' might be a good thing.

And btw, the issue is not that certain leaders are popular amongst their people. It's that they keep invading (not like you say on a hourly basis refugees invade Europe : flat out invade) other people.

[Mormolyce]

I imagine the EU will always be plagued with this kind of thing. Unless nationalism magically ceases to exist.

[Tailswipe]

No
Not at all.
Immigrants buy things, which allows businesses to develop, also, they allow the population to catch up for the loss of fertility across the country : without immigrants, the population would get older, there would be less working people and more people that you'd have to pay for aswell as less people the government could tax, just like in Japan (that is facing a pretty huge depression and has the biggest debt of all the countries in the world compared to its GDP for instance.)

Businesses developing create jobs.

Immigrants have nothing to do with debt and unemployment, because jobs are not a static thing that you have to fill with X people, the ammount of jobs changes depending on many factor, such as the ammount of people there are in the country, as more people join the country, more jobs are also created to fill their needs.

Immigrants are not free of problems though, there are still issues that are related to immigrants, but the balance is still rather positive, and there are better ways of solving the said problems than kicking immigrants out.

This has largely been debunked. Refugees tend to lack the skills needed to find meaningful employment in European economies.

Here is an example from Sweden. Over a 10 year period only 50% of refugees who arrived in Sweden in 2003 had found employment by 2013 (unemployment). The remainder all sit on benefits that must be paid for of course (debt).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ob-in-a-decade

[Noradin]

The US is always willing to add a couple stars to its flag.

I'm sure Puerto Rico will be glad to hear that.

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The choices in Europe are simple: Governance by technocrats or governance by the people. The people are choosing, surprise surprise, the people. But there are major upsides to a breakup: poorer states will need to rethink their welfare states.

Is that opinion based on that myth that the EU is undemocratic? Because it is not.

[Deleted]

This has largely been debunked. Refugees tend to lack the skills needed to find meaningful employment in European economies.

Here is an example from Sweden. Over a 10 year period only 50% of refugees who arrived in Sweden in 2003 had found employment by 2013 (unemployment). The remainder all sit on benefits that must be paid for of course (debt).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ob-in-a-decade

Sweden is not a good exemple, because it's a country that receive way more immigrants than any other in Europe compared to its population, it's even known as "the most open country of the world".
Also, whenever you give money to someone that lives inside the country, the money you gave him likely will be spent, inside the country aswell, so it's not that much of a loss.
Migrants barely impact the debt, even in Sweden, as shown by several studies, only older migrants that can't work cost more than they contribute.

https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%...Numero%202.pdf