Argus DPS Trinket for Brewmasters?

[Deleted]

So I just got my Argus trinket *yay* but then I immediately realized that my loot spec was still set to WW because I was hoping to get the Eye of Command or Angerboda trinket from M+ and i forgot to change it back to BrM *facepalm*.
Since I only really do M+ seriously and I only raid to get trinkets/tierset for M+ I am always looking for trinkets that might improve my DPS and I decided to upgrade the trinket to 965.

Simcraft calculated that the trinket should actually deal a decent chunk of DPS but when I attacked a dummy for about 5minutes the trinket procc dealt less damage than my Hidden Satyr neck enchantment FeelsBadMan.

Does anyone have some reliable information if the WW trinket is really that shitty for Brewmaster DPS? Does the procc chance maybe go down if I am in the tank specc? It would be a shame if I lost the trinket and 5 upgrades for basically nothing if the trinket is really that bad.

[Llarold]

The Strength DPS trinket does not proc while tank specced. At all.
I have confirmed this on Live and PTR servers.

I can't confirm this for the Agility trinket on Live since my Monk only has the tank trinket, but I have double-checked on PTR servers. It does not proc while tank specced.

While this sucks, the tank trinket isn't great in M+. The uptime is solid, but the proc value is undertuned for its item level. Outside of a raid (where the Pantheon effect would provide a massive raidwide advantage), it's slightly weaker than an equal item level Agi stat stick trinket.

[Saverem]

Just know that using trinkets of a different spec gives you a 50% proc penalty.

[keqe]

The Strength DPS trinket does not proc while tank specced. At all.
I have confirmed this on Live and PTR servers.

I can't confirm this for the Agility trinket on Live since my Monk only has the tank trinket, but I have double-checked on PTR servers. It does not proc while tank specced.

While this sucks, the tank trinket isn't great in M+. The uptime is solid, but the proc value is undertuned for its item level. Outside of a raid (where the Pantheon effect would provide a massive raidwide advantage), it's slightly weaker than an equal item level Agi stat stick trinket.

Well it is kind of hard to eventually find 1000 ilvl stat stick somewhere. Even 970 on next reset is better than what most probably have been able to get as stat sticks.

[Targom]

The trinket has a reduced proc rate/uptime as brewmaster (but it does proc). I mostly use it while tanking due to the big agi. That and lack of very compelling tank trinket options as a WW main.

[Deleted]

Okay, so after doing some research I can confirm that this trinket is effected TWICE by the tank tax. The procc deals 50% reduced damage and proccs 50% less often in tank spec which makes it basically useless. It's really a shame that this is not mentioned anyhwere in the game and i had to find this out the hard way.
It looks like I have been grinding Argus six weeks for nothing now.

[Tech614]

Procs don't really matter for the tank situation anyways. You're getting most of your damage on either the tank or agi one simply from the large amount of agility on it. in 3 weeks it will be equal to the lottery God tier 985 stat stick on agility, and every week after that it will be higher agility then you can get on any other trinket outside of Archimonde's and KJs which take up lego slots.

[Llarold]

Well it is kind of hard to eventually find 1000 ilvl stat stick somewhere. Even 970 on next reset is better than what most probably have been able to get as stat sticks.

TRUE!

... 10 char

[stross01]

The Strength DPS trinket does not proc while tank specced. At all.
I have confirmed this on Live and PTR servers.

I can't confirm this for the Agility trinket on Live since my Monk only has the tank trinket, but I have double-checked on PTR servers. It does not proc while tank specced.

While this sucks, the tank trinket isn't great in M+. The uptime is solid, but the proc value is undertuned for its item level. Outside of a raid (where the Pantheon effect would provide a massive raidwide advantage), it's slightly weaker than an equal item level Agi stat stick trinket.

The str trinket procs for my warrior as protection. It's 3-6% of his dps.

It does 181-370k per hit.

I do not know if the secondary proc goes off as prot.

[A-sayo]

Had exactly the same issue and got the Dps trinket instead of the Tank one. Procced 4/5 times on Mythic Garothi. I'd say it's not worth it for prog but it will still help the raid getting the Pantheon proc.

[Llarold]

The trinket has a reduced proc rate/uptime as brewmaster (but it does proc). I mostly use it while tanking due to the big agi. That and lack of very compelling tank trinket options as a WW main.

The Agi is solid, but it's certainly not better than the Tank trinket outside of large-scale AoE. If it's all you have, though...

Also, the procs may be a class hall issue. I've had problems testing other trinkets there, which I conveniently forgot while testing this.

10 minutes destroying a dummy in the class hall = 0 procs; 2 attacks on WQ mobs = proc. My B.

[Deleted]

Checked with my 950 Shadow-Singed Fang in Antorus clears.
BrM between
2,551 average Agility
722 average Crit
and
1,134 average Agility
800 average Crit
per encounter.
Crap af to have high spikes when I can't control them.

WW between
3,719 average Agility
1,440 average Crit
and
2,107 average Agility
1,366 average Crit
per encounter.
Not quite as crap anymore.

Bottom line - procs are indeed half as good (read: bad) for tanks with dps trinkets. Guess it's back to some other trinkets

[Deleted]

Just know that using trinkets of a different spec gives you a 50% proc penalty.

Source for this?

[PinDrop]

Source for this?

Logs, mostly. It isn't in any patch/hotfix notes because it was a stealth nerf. The knowledge came from comparing logs before/after whatever tuesday restart it happened on somewhere during Nighthold.

[Deleted]

The Agi is solid, but it's certainly not better than the Tank trinket outside of large-scale AoE. If it's all you have, though...

You know that the the base procc from the Agi Trinket is fixed and does not scale up with the amount of Mobs, right?

[Llarold]

You know that the the base procc from the Agi Trinket is fixed and does not scale up with the amount of Mobs, right?

Right, the Agi DPS trinket's main proc is split and only the Pantheon effect is an actual AoE. Shame.

[Deleted]

Checked with my 950 Shadow-Singed Fang in Antorus clears.
BrM between
2,551 average Agility
722 average Crit
and
1,134 average Agility
800 average Crit
per encounter.
Crap af to have high spikes when I can't control them.

WW between
3,719 average Agility
1,440 average Crit
and
2,107 average Agility
1,366 average Crit
per encounter.
Not quite as crap anymore.

Bottom line - procs are indeed half as good (read: bad) for tanks with dps trinkets. Guess it's back to some other trinkets

955 http://www.wowhead.com/item=154174/golganneths-vitality vs 945 http://www.wowhead.com/item=137369/g...onus=1826:1497 in DHT 17 yesterday:
Ravaging Storm 21m dmg done >> Pearl 37m dmg done.

Good agi stick for BrM that