Kerry: Air conditioners as big a threat as ISIS + New HFC regulations.

[Release]

He may be right or wrong (environmental doom and gloom is not easy to prove), but the best way to change society to being more environmentally friendly is with patents and innovations. If engineers and chemists can develop cost effective alternatives to gas, CFCs, etc. then by all means push it to the norm.

The new Tesla model 3's are a good example.

We had synthetic oil decades ago unfortunately the big oil companies buy the formulas and then never release them into public view. As to not easy to prove just look at the global temperature for this year it's not so difficult.

[Fenixdown]

Iono who this guy is, but eff him.

[Celista]

Iono who this guy is, but eff him.

You're American and you don't know who John Kerry is?

[Orlong]

The joke is the right wingers in this thread who continue to ardently believe that global warming does not exist.

I doubt they think it doesnt think it exists. I just think they dont care about it. Its not a priority. Attempting to fight it makes our quality of life worse either through being forced to give up convenience or quality, or having to spend more money. I think they like myself think that it is either a naturally occurring cycle that will correct itself, or we dont care about it because we will be dead before anything bad happens

[Tradewind]

Maybe some details.

The Montreal Protocol being used as a guideline by the EPA only prevents the total production and import of new HCFC's such as R-22 in 2020. Reclaimed and recycled R-22 can still be obtained by a customer until 2030. Well beyond the expected lifespan of existing R-22 based A/C units (14-16 years). There are also drop in refrigerants that serve as an alternative to R-22 that are not on the EPA Class 2 HCFC's list. These come in blends (RS-44/RS-45/RS-52) that can work with or without a capillary or expansion device, and no need for a complete dryout or oil replacement, all depends on what you need.

In short, existing R-22 appliances are going to be long dead/obsolete by the time any of this shit even matters and new units don't even use it.

[kail]

We had synthetic oil decades ago unfortunately the big oil companies buy the formulas and then never release them into public view. As to not easy to prove just look at the global temperature for this year it's not so difficult.

That's simply an issue where money has too much lobbying power in politics. I just signed a petition for my county today to limit financial contributions.

[alexw]

The joke is the right wingers in this thread who continue to ardently believe that global warming does not exist.

.......as we are half way through the warmest year on record which is beating the second warmest year on record which was last year.

[Tradewind]

I doubt they think it doesnt think it exists. I just think they dont care about it. Its not a priority. Attempting to fight it makes our quality of life worse either through being forced to give up convenience or quality, or having to spend more money. I think they like myself think that it is either a naturally occurring cycle that will correct itself, or we dont care about it because we will be dead before anything bad happens

Yeah all of those "microbeads" in your makeup(wut?) are long gone and being encouraged to use CFL's/LED's instead of Incandescent lights has truly impacted everyone's quality of life lol.

[Orlong]

He may be right or wrong (environmental doom and gloom is not easy to prove), but the best way to change society to being more environmentally friendly is with patents and innovations. If engineers and chemists can develop cost effective alternatives to gas, CFCs, etc. then by all means push it to the norm.

The new Tesla model 3's are a good example.

Youre forgetting that alternatives not only need to cost the same or less than the product they are replacing, they ALSO need to perform the same or better, and most "green" products fail miserably in the perform the same or better category

[Release]

I doubt they think it doesnt think it exists. I just think they dont care about it. Its not a priority. Attempting to fight it makes our quality of life worse either through being forced to give up convenience or quality, or having to spend more money. I think they like myself think that it is either a naturally occurring cycle that will correct itself, or we dont care about it because we will be dead before anything bad happens

Sure, a naturally occurring cycle that will have no impact on us because we'll all be dead by the time anything bad happens. Jeez orlong I'm glad I have you to make me feel better rather than every single scientific body on the planet.

[Tradewind]

Youre forgetting that alternatives not only need to cost the same or less than the product they are replacing, they ALSO need to perform the same or better, and most "green" products fail miserably in the perform the same or better category

Well this is just a crock of shit without some of your famous anecdotal examples...still probably a crock of shit.

[Orlong]

That's true! Thousands have died due to flooding/hurricanes in 2015.
I wonder how much of that could have been prevented if the climate changes were at a normal level.


You are right.
I think there should be absolutely no regulations on homes at all.

I didnt say none. I said a lot less. Only regulations regarding safety should be allowed so people dont have their home collapse

[Aehl]

That's true! Thousands have died due to flooding/hurricanes in 2015.

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And of course you can conclusively prove that those deaths are directly and absolutely due to "climate change" and not to naturally occurring weather cycles.

No, you cant.

Sydney, summer, 40 degrees C "dont use your air condiitoner bacaise of global warming"

"F***** you."

[Release]

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And of course you can conclusively prove that those deaths are directly and absolutely due to "climate change" and not to naturally occurring weather cycles.

No, you cant.

what is this naturally occuring weather cycles bullshit?! How the fuck is this a naturally occuring weather cycle?

[dextersmith]

That comparison is a slap in the face to victims everywhere.

[Orlong]

Yeah all of those "microbeads" in your makeup(wut?) are long gone and being encouraged to use CFL's/LED's instead of Incandescent lights has truly impacted everyone's quality of life lol.

Microbeads were in shower gel. They made it easier to remove dead skin cells and make you feel cleaner. And we arent being "encouraged to use CFL/LED bulbs" we are being FORCED to by banning incandescent ones. There STILL isnt a CFL or LED light bulb that puts out the same quality and color temperature of light as GE Reveal 100W bulbs, which is why I still have hundreds of them left that I bought up before they were banned and will use them until I die!

[Aehl]

what is this naturally occuring weather cycles bullshit?! How the fuck is this a naturally occuring weather cycle?

Please

Wikipedia.

Do better than THAT.

To date there has not been one weather event anywhere in the last hundred years that can be sheeted home to "wobal glorming" with 100% certainty.

[Garnier Fructis]

Considering that your chances of dying to a terrorist attack are virtually nil, whilst these chemicals do environmental damage on a global scale that lasts decades to centuries, yeah. It actually is more of a problem.

That it seems absurd to you because you have a disproportionate fear of terrorists is your problem, not Kerry's.

[Thoughtful Trolli]

The joke is the right wingers in this thread who continue to ardently believe that global warming does not exist.

The joke is the left wingers who think right wingers don't believe in it, when everyone knows its real but right wingers elect to ignore it because its honestly not worth consideration with a mere 80 year life-span, especially while the mechanics of our planet are largely unknown. (Still absolutely zero guarantees in forecasting weather, for example.)

Maybe Weather is literally the core of RNG in our current existence, the algorithm we have to discover to win.

[Celista]

Probably because it's more expensive.

Spray on foam isolation is a lot more effective than mineral wool, since it actually seals the wall at the same time, but shit's expensive and actually requires competent contractors.

Some things can be done inexpensively, or relatively so. Wood is not a good material for keeping a home cool, other materials such as concrete, stone brick cob/adobe etc are materials that conduct heat slowly...building a basement and finishing it...awnings/trees/vines...window treatments....lighter colored roofs to reflect heat...attic fans or other ventilation systems that ventilate air outwards...

In parts of the Southwest you can see homes that have been designed to be passively cool, some of them are pretty neat. Cave homes are a little out there imo but some of them are beautifully done.



http://inhabitat.com/the-chulo-canyo...ve-in-arizona/

.......as we are half way through the warmest year on record which is beating the second warmest year on record which was last year.

Coolest summer we've had in Portland since I've moved out here, it's been great.

Not arguing about global warming, been watching the glaciers melt each year in AK since I was a little girl through high school.