This was the same impression I had. Personally, I prefer a politician that just tells you their ideas- I can do without the little petty attacks. I feel it is beneath the office of the presidency when Obama attacks Trump. Also, for an acceptance speech that was supposed to be about Hillary and highlight her career, there was way too much Trump in it. Leave attacking Trump to the little media lap dogs, they are salivating to do it.
Also the slogans last night were just awful..... I am probably mixing it up a little but "How much will she light up the world?" really? If you ever doubted that she was just all about herself, the slogans made sure you know it now...
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I lived in NYC when that fight was happening. The families and Peter King fought hard for that money. Hillary ran in after it started then tried to take credit for it all. That was actually kind of disgraceful, but if you consider taking credit for the hard work of families that were touched by tragedy laudable, then go ahead.
The wealth she and her husband have amassed through their cozy relationship with the banking sector, a relationship fostered by the presence of political power and the Clinton's apparent willingness to sell it, would lead many Americans, especially those who were hit hard by the great recession, to believe the Clinton family has stolen from them.
As an aside, I keep hearing about Hillary's positive qualities and how they are ignored. I genuinely don't know what they are. Can someone inform me, without referencing Donald Trump or the Republican party, why Hillary is a good choice for POTUS?
This is just objectively not true. In fact, the non-political social welfare organization of 9/11 responders claims that Hillary Rodham Clinton was instrumental in obtaining $21 billion for New York City in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, working alongside New York’s Senior Senator Charles Schumer....Without Clinton’s early efforts on behalf of 9/11 Responders, the 9/11 Health and Compensation Act as we know it may not have been possible.
So again. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Eat yo vegetables
How has the USA "fallen" under Obama?
Economically? GDP growth is at an all-time high, under Obama, and has been steadily climbing since 2009; http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...gdp-per-capita
Unemployment has been steadily declining since 2009 as well; http://gdb.voanews.com/4A07856B-F880..._w640_r1_s.png
Crime? Violent crime's been on a steady decline for decades; the only real bump upwards was during Bush in the aughts, not under Obama; http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...sa-since-1990/
Yes, Obama's leadership has been good for the country, in just about any objective measure you could come up with.
I do agree, endorsement is not responsibility. I am aware of how our elections work. But it sounds like you are more or less agreeing with me that that is what it means. You even say, "even if they are responsible for a Trump presidency." Which is to agree with my assertion that the reason someone is called a "Spoiler," if they don't vote for Hillary, is to establish responsibility for whatever the other president does. If one is merely responsible for Hillary Clinton losing then sure, I would grant you that but its a bit disingenuous to say that is all someone is responsible for. Explaining how the system works is fine, but sounds like an attempt at rationalization.
If someone votes against Hillary, for whatever reason are they or are they not responsible for a Trump presidency? You did say yes but I would like a clarification.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Going to post this here..
Another hack took place
Democratic campaign group for Congress confirms computer hack
"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."
First let me say, we coach things in terms of "Practical and Pragmatic," which is IMHO code-word for "Path of least resistance," and yes among the economic and politically powerful the current policy trajectory of the United States does seem grand. All the golden eggs laid for the banking and financier industry, the pursuit of Neo-Liberalism, ect, all are things Frank pointed out as things that people of that social class love and thus will pursue unless its impossible for them to do so. This is a complete waste of time this phrase "practical and pragmatic," because it is much like "inequality," which I remind you cannot be solved in a technocratic and allegedly meritocratic system.
The goal of taking about just slogan tactics is ignoring deeper economic hardships and distress IMHO. It's self serving and self-exculpating.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
This is extremely disingenuous. You know full well, that just because there is no admittance of "Yes, i did this.", does not prove innocence. That's like saying because there was no indictment on her emails, she's innocent when everyone knows better. What the book lays out is a very obvious pattern of behavior, and very un-coincidental actions. She signed over 20% of Uranium to Russians, then days after millions were "donated" to the Clinton foundation from Russians. But because Hillary didn't say "Yep i sold it to russians for millions in private money", there's no evidence? Let's be real here.
Nobody that Ive heard at the RNC said Crooked Hillary should be executed. They did say she belongs in jail and 56% of Americans agree. Its not just Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...erate-clinton/
Just because she wasnt charged doesnt mean she didnt break the law
I never said the word endorsement, as far as I can see, I never said such a word.
I am stating that the logic of the spoiler effect is that "If you don't do X, you are responsible for Y." Which you seem to agree with. Now if someone isn't responsible for EVERYTHING.... well that is a new one since I've never seen anyone say that "Well they aren't responsible for everything they do."
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
This statement epitomizes Conservative thinking. So much for "innocent until proven guilty".
By that same standard, Orlong, you haven't been charged with domestic violence, but that doesn't mean you aren't a wife beater. So let's all just keep that in mind. Orlong might be a wife beater. We simply don't know.
Eat yo vegetables
Uhuh here's some words that you might like better:
“Donald Trump, you’re asking Americans to trust you with their future, let me ask you, have you even read the United States Constitution?. I will gladly lend you my copy,”
“Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending United States of America, you will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities. You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”
"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons."
"Donald Trump, I didn't put my life on the line to defend our democracy so you could invite Russia to interfere in it."
"Donald you're so vain. You probably think this speech is about you, don't you?"
"Hello everyone. I'm Michael Jordan and I'm here with Hillary. I said that because I know that Donald Trump couldn't tell the difference."
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It is not enough to simply beat Hillary Clinton, an adviser to Donald Trump’s campaign said. She must be killed.
The theme of the last two nights has been less “Make America Safe Again” or “Make America Work Again” and more “Lock Her Up.” But some of Trump’s most diehard supporters want to go further—they want her to be executed.
“Anyone that commits treason should be shot,” Al Baldasaro, an adviser to the Trump campaign for veterans issues, told The Daily Beast. “I believe Hillary Clinton committed treason. She put people in danger. When people take confidential material off a server, you’re sharing information with the enemy. That’s treason.”
Baldasaro was expanding on a violent call he made Tuesday, when he called for Clinton to be “put in the firing line” over her mishandling of classified emails. He made these remarks on the Jeff Kuhner Show, Buzzfeed reported.
But Trump’s adviser, who is also a state representative in New Hampshire, is not the only one at the convention who believes that Clinton should be executed for treasonous acts.
West Virginia lawmaker Michael Folk said earlier this week that Hillary Clinton should be “hung on the mall in Washington, DC” for treason. And on the campaign trail, reports show that Trump supporters have repeatedly called for her death.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...r-treason.html
What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause they're working for the clampdown
They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
When we're working for the clampdown
We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers
That the economy's doing fairly well overall is not an argument that certain sectors, like the working and middle classes, have seen less of those gains than they equitably should have, which is what Sanders was arguing.
If you're claiming "the economy is tanking under Obama!", you're just factually wrong. It isn't. That doesn't mean it couldn't be even better, and more equitably distributed.
This really shouldn't be a difficult distinction to draw.
The point is about being consistent across the board. You strike me as a person who would go out of your way to draw a peachy establishment picture as a Republican is making an appeal to change, yet would add to the gloomy or "we need change" ra ra when its a leftist saying how the economic system is bad and needs big change.
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