[GUIDE] Rogue Legion Overview!

[Master Guns]

It's only bad advice if my audience is hardcore raiders. But this is a forum. So that's not the case. In some peoples situation, playing what feels best IS the way to play. Not everyone, but I've already addressed this about 50 times with you and you just can't grasp that not everyone is a hardcore raider.

Listen, be whatever it is that you think you are to retain your self justified "status", but I'm done with this. You'll no doubt feel the need to get the last word in, but I won't be responding.

[Tontikhoptik]

Hey guys Im leveling alt rogue atm. I only loved the sub spec. Im going for it but since there are not many sub rogues, Im trying to find stat prios. I've checked every sub rogue guides, but all of them are different. Is anyone know whats the real stat prio atm ?

[FenrizZJ]

Hey guys Im leveling alt rogue atm. I only loved the sub spec. Im going for it but since there are not many sub rogues, Im trying to find stat prios. I've checked every sub rogue guides, but all of them are different. Is anyone know whats the real stat prio atm ?

it varies on your gear level but vers and mastery are pretty close.

[Coldkil]

Please stop engaging in pointless fights - there is no need for that.

[Deleted]

Hello guys,

the BiS-Lists were removed "as they aren't relevant". And i am now confused about which gear i should wear.
Should I compare every possible upgrade with my current item and tell the RL if i actually need it? Or should i build my personal BiS-List or smth?
Maybe someone could help me out with this

[Master Guns]

While I can't answer your question, I also agree that pre raid Bis lists should have stayed for reference.

[ymirsson]

Hello guys,

the BiS-Lists were removed "as they aren't relevant". And i am now confused about which gear i should wear.
Should I compare every possible upgrade with my current item and tell the RL if i actually need it? Or should i build my personal BiS-List or smth?
Maybe someone could help me out with this

Would you include warforged and titanforged variants in your BiS? Or sockets?
The possibilities are vast, and the space for lists is finite.

Know which stats are good for your character and if the need arises, you can sim your character even when your at the loot window. If your raid canÄt be bothered, why have master loot anyway?

[FenrizZJ]

Hello guys,

the BiS-Lists were removed "as they aren't relevant". And i am now confused about which gear i should wear.
Should I compare every possible upgrade with my current item and tell the RL if i actually need it? Or should i build my personal BiS-List or smth?
Maybe someone could help me out with this

Know your stat weights, and what gear you need off the boss going into the fights. That way you have an idea when it's loot time if you want it or not.

[Deleted]

Hello guys,

the BiS-Lists were removed "as they aren't relevant". And i am now confused about which gear i should wear.
Should I compare every possible upgrade with my current item and tell the RL if i actually need it? Or should i build my personal BiS-List or smth?
Maybe someone could help me out with this

You should SIM it. Our statweights fluctuate when getting new gear, so running sims everytime you get new gear is the way to go.

[Deleted]

Yes, I deleted all the "BiS" lists as they aren't relevant due to following reasons:
- Races changes the entire list of items, making a better then b.
- Dungeon gear is better than raid gear, giving me too many items to calculate the proper best combination with.
- Titanforged makes it so option a is better than option b, despite option a's stat is better.

[Blayke]

Yes, I deleted all the "BiS" lists as they aren't relevant due to following reasons:
- Races changes the entire list of items, making a better then b.
- Dungeon gear is better than raid gear, giving me too many items to calculate the proper best combination with.
- Titanforged makes it so option a is better than option b, despite option a's stat is better.

Like many, I have benefited greatly from your clear and concise guide. I have a question about the artifact path.

Why is it recommended to take Black Powder before Fortune's Boon? Yes, I understand that it gets you to a Golden trait (blurred time) faster, but that talent seems rather lacklustre as compared to a 25 second cd reduction for AR, given how powerful AR is for us.

So, just wondering. Thanks for any and all help.

[Eazy]

Could you make a short-note when people should change to Assassination to see clear benefits? I'm actually thinking about it, because I don't like Outlaw, but it was meant to be the best spec(according to sims)... and now Assa shines(and I like it).

[Deleted]

I've updated recommendations due to the recent logs. Sims seems to be off. Assassination is better than Subtlety.

[Deztox]

I've updated recommendations due to the recent logs. Sims seems to be off. Assassination is better than Subtlety.

Hi Stjern, I'm seeing a lot of different SIMS, and in your guide you state: Mastery > Crit for both Sin's Poison and Bleed build - But in the same guide you state/recommend Crit enchant on Rings, Crit gems and Crit food? Any reason behind this?
Thank you for all your help, your guide has been a lot of help in this expansion.

Best regards
Deztox

[Deleted]

So it was outlaw so I spend 26 traits in
.. Than it was FOR sure sub so I'm at 22 already.. And now I'm supposed to go go with assa after I grind out relics for sub already? I feel like being trolled

[Deleted]

That's why you dont trust everything on sims but also do your own simming, theorycrafting still remains theorycrafting and unless it can be applied practically, go with what gives you the biggest DPS. I anticipated that the sub hype train would be a failure because it simply isn't as reliable as outlaw pre nerf or sin post buff. The legendary boots are also a big part of why sub can be so big, but with the double legendary vendetta + execute bracers, I'm pretty confident that assa will be the best spec.

[Coldkil]

I've updated recommendations due to the recent logs. Sims seems to be off. Assassination is better than Subtlety.

Any clue about why the sims are currently off? I have no issues as sub for now, but i'm not doing really relevant content atm.

[Morween]

@Coldkil sims are "off" because you can only pull those numbers as sub if you have the legendary boots, otherwise sin pulls ahead

[Sephiroso]

@Coldkil sims are "off" because you can only pull those numbers as sub if you have the legendary boots, otherwise sin pulls ahead

Are you kidding? I do at least 320k and im only 859 with mostly Outlaw-specific gear with a couple good pieces for mastery. For how we know Sub scales with better and better gear, i don't see how it's as simple as "no leg boots, shit dps". Especially when i dont even have more than 70% mastery.

[elfporn]

Are you kidding? I do at least 320k and im only 859 with mostly Outlaw-specific gear with a couple good pieces for mastery. For how we know Sub scales with better and better gear, i don't see how it's as simple as "no leg boots, shit dps". Especially when i dont even have more than 70% mastery.

same as above.