Shaman Tank?

[CParker1987]

So we were discussing fistweaving as a 4th spec to monks in the monk forums and a lot of talk about Earth elemental shaman tanks. I got curious as to how many of you shamans would like to have Shaman tanks using earth elemental as a theme like how resto is water, ele is lightning and enh is fire. Only one missing is earth.

[Deleted]

Enhancement isn't really fire and elemental isn't really just lightning. I like the idea though.

[CParker1987]

I understand that but you cant really argue that those specs are tied to those elements. Its like fire mages using ice shield.

[Deleted]

In early Vanilla Enha was supposed to be able to do some offtanking with Earth Shock and Rockbiter threat if I remember correctly. It didn't turn out to be very viable back then though. If they were to add a 4th spec for Shaman then it should definitely be earth type tank spec imo.

Also I can't see how another tank spec would be a bad thing but some people still apparently just vote "No".

[Deleted]

Yes, I was thinking just today that the next big thing blizz should do is a fourth spec for some classes instead of a new class. There are limits to the ideas I guess.

Time Mage as a healer for example or an Inquisitor Priest with direct holy damage spells instead of DoTs like shadow.

[Deleted]

Never gonna happen, just let it go

[Deleted]

Never gonna happen, just let it go

Based on what? Like when people said Demon Hunters would not happen as a playable class?

[Ealyssa]

Based on what? Like when people said Demon Hunters would not happen as a playable class?

Only stupid people said that. We often had new classes.

But a totally new spec for an allready existing class ? Never happend in the past and will certainly never happend in the future. Because why shamans ? Would every class get a new spec ? Would be a nightmare to balance

And nope, guardian druid was separating 2 role from a single spec, not creating a new one. Nice try tho.

[ehxy]

I remember when it was considered 'viable' for lbrs.

I vote no. Shaman doesn't say 'beefy stalwart bastion against the darkness'. Maybe they could summon something that could do that like an earth elemental but shamans were the old day medicine peoples who used nature in combination with superstition. Tanks? No.

[Skayaq]

In early Vanilla Enha was supposed to be able to do some offtanking with Earth Shock and Rockbiter threat if I remember correctly. It didn't turn out to be very viable back then though. If they were to add a 4th spec for Shaman then it should definitely be earth type tank spec imo.

Also I can't see how another tank spec would be a bad thing but some people still apparently just vote "No".

One of my most memorable dungeon experiences was a sunken temple run back in vanilla with an enhancement shaman tank. He held aggro fine, but he just couldn't survive the double dragon bosses near the end, not even with both the two other shaman healing him. Was a lot of fun though.

I would love to for shamans to have a tanking spec.

[Devious009]

New shaman tank spec

"Earth Warden"

Blizz .. make it happen

[Deleted]

Only stupid people said that. We often had new classes.

But a totally new spec for an allready existing class ? Never happend in the past and will certainly never happend in the future. Because why shamans ? Would every class get a new spec ? Would be a nightmare to balance

And nope, guardian druid was separating 2 role from a single spec, not creating a new one. Nice try tho.

What if they decided to add extra specs instead of new class next time? You never know. More tanking and healing specs are always nice.

Old talent tanking spec would have been something like this I guess? : http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hVcZVic0eguzxc

[Imnick]

Honestly at this point I am ok with it not happening.
Adding another spec to this class would just distract from balancing the other classes. I think WoW by this point probably has enough specs.

[Maletalana]

So we were discussing fistweaving as a 4th spec to monks in the monk forums and a lot of talk about Earth elemental shaman tanks. I got curious as to how many of you shamans would like to have Shaman tanks using earth elemental as a theme like how resto is water, ele is lightning and enh is fire. Only one missing is earth.

Ele - nature through lightning and storms, combined with fire and earth through lava and magma, also direct earth interaction from earthquake.
spells: lightning bolt, chain lightning, lava burst, flame shock, earth shock, frost shock, earthquake.

Resto - water heals you, while earth augments your strength
spells: rip tide, healing surge, chain heal, [old] earth shield

Enh - fire and wind elements to augment melee attacks, with earth and frost magic, as well as nature through lightning, to attack from range. Also connection with elemental spirits to summon ghost wolves and summon elementals.
spells: stormstrike, lava lash, fire nova, flame shock, lightning bolt, chain lightning, frost shock, spirit wolves, [old] rockbiter, lightning shield


all shaman specs use all the elements. nature / earth is used by all 3 especially.

All of this post so far is constructive criticism

That all being said, I would enjoy a shaman tank, wouldn't be complicated think up a rotation and kit for it either, all the needed abilities are already thought up, just not compiled together yet.


rockbiter for spam
earth shield or lightning shield could be made similar to DKs Bone shield
earthquake for aoe
shamanistic rage for short cd def mitigation
strength of earth totem or cd spell for long cd def mitigation
think enhance shaman from vanilla through wrath for spec identity, and give them 2H mace / axe.

totally believable and workable.

It would feel similar to prot warrior in that youre pretty tanky with high % dmg reducing mitigation when used preemptively, rather than veng or prot pal heal after the fact. Think what prot warrior would feel like but with a 2 hander and using the elements to augment them as a tank, rather than death-y necro shit like a DK.


Now I know people are going to say WAHH NOW EVERY CLASS NEED A NEW SPEC / IMPOSSIBLE FOR BLIZZ TO COME UP WITH blah blah.

Even as someone that doesn't main a shaman, I would be fine if new xpac added 1 or 2 new specs, to just 1 or 2 classes. with 36 specs currently, we don't need a shit ton more, at all.

If youre a mage and get mad that shaman can now tank, piss off, youre being ridiculous.
We definitely need more tanks and healers, but its silly to honestly request a plethora of new things. Adding 1 or 2 new ideas is totally viable

[nerf shaman]

Who wouldn't want their class to have a tank spec? It would make doing world quests as a shaman a breeze, but I don't think it would ever happen. It just doesn't make sense for them to spend their time on something like that. I do think DH should have worn mail though. Having a mail tank rather than another leather tank would have been cool. Cloth would have been cool too

[Regalbeast]

As a Shaman player I would welcome a tank spec, it would only add more options onto our gameplay.

[Deleted]

Based on what? Like when people said Demon Hunters would not happen as a playable class?

The fact that every single talent that had anything to do with tanking was removed? The same way any talent that encouraged 2handed enhancements was removed.

[Deleted]

Now I know people are going to say WAHH NOW EVERY CLASS NEED A NEW SPEC / IMPOSSIBLE FOR BLIZZ TO COME UP WITH blah blah.

Even as someone that doesn't main a shaman, I would be fine if new xpac added 1 or 2 new specs, to just 1 or 2 classes. with 36 specs currently, we don't need a shit ton more, at all.

If youre a mage and get mad that shaman can now tank, piss off, youre being ridiculous.
We definitely need more tanks and healers, but its silly to honestly request a plethora of new things. Adding 1 or 2 new ideas is totally viable

Yeah, it would be cool to get a 3rd spec for DH too sometime in the future if they manage to come up with something that makes sense. The 2H weapon style tank would also kind of bring back the good old 2H melee shaman that some people have been wanting for years, so I like it more than the traditional mace/axe + shield.

[Aquinan]

A new ranged class, preferably a healer class would be nice. rather that than an awkward shoehorned tank spec to shamans

[Skayaq]

The fact that every single talent that had anything to do with tanking was removed? The same way any talent that encouraged 2handed enhancements was removed.

They also removed all melee talents for hunters, yet they brought melee survival back.