Re-evaluating MM vs BM

[Kwaai]

Bres is definitely the better of the 2 since you can use as many as you have in an encounter, and there is no drums equivalent which there is for BL/Hero.

That said you shouldn't be planning on Bresing too many people because of the time penalty for dying.

Obviously, but if someone dies it's better to be able to brez them than not have the option.

[ydraw]

He's decidedly average, skill isn't a factor here. That said, doubt he has played with any good BM hunter. Not many of those.

Like I said I expect that almost all good hunters have put their AP into their MM weapon since that's what they need to be using for raiding. I doubt there's many who are specialising in Mythic+, although I guess some people who play nonstop might have hunter alts that do.

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Obviously, but if someone dies it's better to be able to brez them than not have the option.

Yep agreed. Being able to Bres is a big plus for BM. Especially since there are so few classes that can.

[Soxoffender]

He's decidedly average, skill isn't a factor here. That said, doubt he has played with any good BM hunter. Not many of those.

When are you two going to acknowledge the tension and just get it on? The will they/won't they suspense is killing us all.

[Azortharion]

Like I said I expect that almost all good hunters have put their AP into their MM weapon since that's what they need to be using for raiding. I doubt there's many who are specialising in Mythic+, although I guess some people who play nonstop might have hunter alts that do.

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Yep agreed. Being able to Bres is a big plus for BM. Especially since there are so few classes that can.

The fact that a lot of people choose to play X spec can be twisted in favour of either argument:

1) BM-positive: Well, BM looks worse than it really is because everyone is playing Marksmanship, so no good players are playing Marksmanship.
2) MM-positive: Well, the fact that a lot of people are playing the spec must indicate that it is good.

People who were/are trying to go for Mythic+15 realm firsts went Beast Mastery very early, going for 18 traits before focusing their efforts on MM.

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When are you two going to acknowledge the tension and just get it on? The will they/won't they suspense is killing us all.

Haha kappa lul xd 420 and so on.

[fishoa]

BM is, hands down, the spec to play in Mythic+. It has massive trash aoe damage, it's not even close. It will get even worse when more people get Titan's Thunder. The best about it is that it doesn't have any casting, so you can be on the run all the time. It's amazing how much it increases your overall DPS, specially in an environment as chaotic as Mythic+. As a bonus, it also brings Brez and Lust, essential utility skills.

Been running Mythic+ a lot, with tons of comps. Most of the time, I'm on top or very close to it, even with lower item level (still 854). Running Blink Strikes/AMoC/Stampede on most of the dungeons, probably switching to BF/AMoC/Stampede on later levels (still on 8+). I tried volley but it's not as good as AMoC in my opinion. Using Binding Shot for most of them too but I need to learn where to use Wyvern Sting to skip some trash packs.

As a side note, I wish there were more info on Mythic+ for BM, specially about Enchants, Talents and strats. Maybe somebody could set up a thread discussing it.

[Thatos]

I was wondering if you're on US server? and If so do you have like, at max 15-20 minutes to help me out? I'm going over parses and logs and practicing my rotation for MM and I definitely don't think i'm performing as well as I should. (this could be because I hate the spec but I hope that's besides the point) Anyways if you're ever free would love to hear back from you have a good day

[Xarathan]

I do sizeable amount more dps as mm in mythic+ yet i play bm due to my group needing a brez

[Effinhunter]

He's decidedly average, skill isn't a factor here. That said, doubt he has played with any good BM hunter. Not many of those.

If you have a US account, hit me up some time. Effinhunter#1904. If your US account is lacking in gear, I'll gear your hunter in full crafteds and whatever BoEs you want (assuming people aren't demanding 1M gold for them or something). I'll personally help gear you in Mythics or whatever else you want to do. When you feel you're ready, I'll bring you into one of our heroic reclears, and set you up against our three hunters. No legendaries unless they have no dps contribution effects. Serious offer. I'll hand over the reins of raid leading a bunch of tard faces with no beta boss experience to our GM, and you and I can just focus on our rotations.

Please feel free to Twitch the raid and explain what is happening to your followers.

[Azortharion]

That's really funny. I have a level 100 rogue on my US account but that's all.

Throw some Mythic+ logs my way instead, WCL has them implemented and will even give you a DPS figure for the whole dungeon. I'll give BM another swing when I am back in M+.

[Arturos]

I chose BM knowing that MM would be the go to spec for pure dps. I enjoy the support that a BM can bring and those extra buffs filled gaps that were in my groups comp. I normally am about 5-10k zone wide below the MM hunters in random mythics that i do outside of my group. I feel that is a fair trade off for the brez and other things i bring to the table. That being said, i will be bringing the MM up to speed for the pure dps but i find the spec boring and slow having to stand in one spot to cast an arrow spell seriously? who casts an arrow what idiot thought that was a logical thing to do?? But I am a filthy casual now days my time as a 3 AM contested spawn raider are done. I leave that up to you kids now.

[Deleted]

I run mythic pluses with a MM hunter (I am BM). Our trash dps is pretty similar on most packs, although big packs favour me (so more than three mobs). Bosses and packs of one or two, he is ahead. Where I become very useful is for on-demand very high AoE burst through Stampede on difficult trash, which shaves minutes off runs. It shouldn't be underestimated being able to bring that amount of burst to take down packs that would otherwise require a lot of CC and take much more time to deal with. Also I bring a lust pet if our shaman can't make it and we have to fill with someone else.

[Jayeazy]

Where I become very useful is for on-demand very high AoE burst through Stampede on difficult trash, which shaves minutes off runs.

Are they using Trueshot at the same time though? I can go to the pack of 4 target dummies outside the lodge and pull the same with MM under TS as I do popping Stampede as BM, both around 900k-1000k dps for the duration.

[Azortharion]

I have barely used Stampede for Mythic Dungeons as BM, single target fucking dies and you're weak as fuck between the cd's, while Killer Cobra is fucking immense for any pack.

[Jephery]

I have barely used Stampede for Mythic Dungeons as BM, single target fucking dies and you're weak as fuck between the cd's, while Killer Cobra is fucking immense for any pack.

I agree with KC over Stampede and AMoC over Volley.

On higher levels, aoe'ing trash isn't a problem. The problem is major single target dps/healing checks like the Ember Scorpions in Neltharion's and Nightwatch Mariners in Maw that you need to burst down with cds and dps pots before they wipe you.

[Mil Mascaras]

If you have a US account, hit me up some time. Effinhunter#1904. If your US account is lacking in gear, I'll gear your hunter in full crafteds and whatever BoEs you want (assuming people aren't demanding 1M gold for them or something). I'll personally help gear you in Mythics or whatever else you want to do. When you feel you're ready, I'll bring you into one of our heroic reclears, and set you up against our three hunters. No legendaries unless they have no dps contribution effects. Serious offer. I'll hand over the reins of raid leading a bunch of tard faces with no beta boss experience to our GM, and you and I can just focus on our rotations.

Please feel free to Twitch the raid and explain what is happening to your followers.

Big Brass ones!
Puttin' yo money where your mouth is...

Yet, the loud mouth braggart backs off...

KEK

/popcorn

[Azortharion]

Yeah, monster pussy for not feeling like leveling a fresh Hunter to 110 and gearing it up to 855-860 just to prove a point LUL EleGiggle

[MatthewOU2015]

Whatever happened to play whatever spec you enjoyed? I love BM and hate seeing everyone shit on the spec. I admit I'm a casual but I hold my own in raids and mythic dungeons.


http://eyesofthebeast.com/2016/09/hu...ald-nightmare/

[ydraw]

The problem with BM in raids is that it's just plain bugged or unsuitable for some fights because of problems with the pet AI. E.G. on the eye boss your pet will frequently become stuck and unable to attack which basically makes you dead weight.

As for the article you linked, I think it's mind-boggling that Blizzard felt that hunters needed a melee DPS spec while adding yet another Melee DPS class to the game (third time in a row). The melee glut has never been worse.

[NoShelter]

I killed mythic Nythendra this week as BM, top damage in the raid (22 traits, no Titan's Thunder).

Guess I'm bad... /shrug

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q4WAchzpbKCRkrZ8

[Daveydave]

I killed mythic Nythendra this week as BM, top damage in the raid (22 traits, no Titan's Thunder).

Guess I'm bad... /shrug

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q4WAchzpbKCRkrZ8

Thats reassuring