Subtlety rogue low dps, what am i do wrong??

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Hi!
I'm a subtlety rogue with ilvl 877 and i was displeased with my dps in the last ursoc fight.
There is a link: warcraftlogs.com/reports/gm9TRnDtCfvLQaAc#type=damage-done&source=8
Sorry this is my first thread and i have no rights to link :P just type the three w before the link.
What am i do wrong?

Sorry for my english and thx for answer!

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Hello there, I am (was?) the no.1 heroic ursoc kill for sub on my server (no boots too!) : warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/17148731/10/

After looking over your logs and armory the things I can see are:
1. Nothing to do with dps but it seems like you didn't feint the second charge, you got the rest of them though, goodjob.

2. Symbols of death uptime should never really drop below 98% percent imo. Yours was 87% with two large periods where it fell off for a while. Something to bare in mind with symbols of death is that it affects the dps of your Nightblade even if you're not currently attacking the boss. Keeping it up while the boss is somewhere else with nightblade on him will still be a dps gain.

3. In terms of gear: Fel-bloated venom sack is a really shitty artifact relic that you'll want to replace for nightblade/eviscerate or energy refund trait relics even if if they are 10 ilvl's behind.
Not having the legendary boots sucks but the the better your gear the less it'll matter. Though it will forever be the difference between 95 percentile and 100 percentile even if your gear and play is perfect...
Your trinkets are decent, your stat distribution looks pretty healthy too, overall your gear looks good. I would recommend farming Nightbane in Karazhan for the Ethereal urn trinket to replace the alchemist one. I would save a reroll token for nightbane too for this purpose.

4. Last but not least, and the main reason your dps is low is that you didn't have Akaari's Soul for that fight. Soul Rip isn't recorded at all during that fight! If it was then your dps would be 363k instead. I checked your wowprogress page and it says that you're 31 traits in sub and that you have it though? Either you got it tonight after the raid or the logs were bugged.

If I had to guess I would say you haven't enabled advanced logging in the Wow network settings. Without that option enabled your combat logging won't pick up certain things such as (I assume) Soul Rip from Akaari's soul. If this is the case then your dps could of been alot higher for all we know. If your damage meters were showing different numbers in-game then this could be the reason why.

Overall though, 64% isn't too bad and it's important not to get too disheartened as Sub more than any other spec scales with gear. A change in trinket or merely changing that one shitty relic can have a dramatic effect on your Dps.

Edit: The log doesn't show that you had any food buffs or flasks for that fight. That's a pretty big dps loss right there too. Considering you used potions flawlessly I can only assume that you either forgot eat them or that it was advanced combat logs not being enabled?

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subcombo is correct, Akaari's Soul not being logged means Advanced Combat Logging wasn't enabled in game before logging to WCL. It's under System -> Networking in game.

[MonsieuRoberts]

I think the first thing you're doing wrong is playing a spec that no longer exists.

[RobertoCarlos]

I think the first thing you're doing wrong is playing a spec that no longer exists.

Dunno what witty point you're trying to make or are just confused with outlaw and combat but sub is in fact still in game

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Dunno what witty point you're trying to make or are just confused with outlaw and combat but sub is in fact still in game

That or they were trying to say sub isn't viable, which is just plain false.

[MonsieuRoberts]

Wait what? Was it Combat that disappeared? I thought Outlaw had replaced Sub...

This is what I get for sticking my nose into the Rogue forums.

-please don't post memes-

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Yeah thats help me a lot thank you very much subcombo!
The problem was the network advanced settings, but now i enable it.
I have a trinket from wq ilvl 860 with 1353 agility and 968 mastery, its better than the alchemist stone?
I have problems with stats so i think my mastery is a little bit too low, is that right the mastery is a higher priority then the versatility?

[bingildak]

oh memes are forbidden?

SIM YOURSELF :P

[Soisoisoi]

I have a trinket from wq ilvl 860 with 1353 agility and 968 mastery, its better than the alchemist stone?
I have problems with stats so i think my mastery is a little bit too low, is that right the mastery is a higher priority then the versatility?

Sim yourself is the only answer to that. For me, right now, Versa is better than Mastery. Not long ago Mastery was ahead of Versa. It swaps constantly. Ideally, you should sim on literally every upgrade.. I assume most don't, though.

[Coldkil]

I have a trinket from wq ilvl 860 with 1353 agility and 968 mastery, its better than the alchemist stone?
I have problems with stats so i think my mastery is a little bit too low, is that right the mastery is a higher priority then the versatility?

Mastery is a very strong stat for low-ilvl sub, but in fact the difference between mastery, versatility and crit are very little. I'm around 95% mastery and SimC shows that now Versatility is better, followed by Crit then Mastery. But in fact they are all in a 0.2 difference, so they basically equal to each other. My armory is in sig.

Here's a screen of the weights from SimC:


Only thing that is sure is that haste is "crap", or better, low enough to choose to stay away from it. I don't have the legendary boots, so it's not artificially lowered.

TL;DR: anything with mastery/versa/crit is good. Haste is less good.

[Deleted]

Now i have better look about sub rogue thx guys!
I did the sim and the wq trinket is better :P
One more question: Potion of Prolonged power or Potion of Old War?

[DeadDream]

I would appreciate if you can help me too. I'm 883 ilvl and still DPS like a wet noodle in sub
Log link - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...translate=true
I screwed my pre-pot, but don't know what i'm doing wrong besides that

All my Ursok pulls in sub results in pretty much the same DPS - around 350k.

[Abalon]

Is 420k dps decent for mythic ursoc? Item level 877

[Deleted]

Now i have better look about sub rogue thx guys!
I did the sim and the wq trinket is better :P
One more question: Potion of Prolonged power or Potion of Old War?

Potion of old war is way better during bloodlust phases. Potion of prolonged power and old war are close outside of that based on my experience. I go double old war when trying to hit percentiles just to be safe.

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Is 420k dps decent for mythic ursoc? Item level 877

That's very good without legendary boots and decent with boots.

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I would appreciate if you can help me too. I'm 883 ilvl and still DPS like a wet noodle in sub
Log link - warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vmgj6Q7RnYcANhDT#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=4&translate=true
I screwed my pre-pot, but don't know what i'm doing wrong besides that

All my Ursok pulls in sub results in pretty much the same DPS - around 350k.

Things i could see:

1. you should feint the charges, they last long enough that you'll regain the energy you spent leading to little to no dps loss.

2. You didnt potion of the old war during the bloodlust phase which is a significant dps loss (up to 30k or so).

3. Your gear is clearly optimised for AP sin rogue however for Sub you've got a little too much crit and not enough versatility. Your stat weights would lean very heavy towards versatility and crit might be close to as low as haste. The fel-bloated venom sac is a really bad relic and should be replaced asap.

4. Nightblade uptime on ursoc should be at least 98%, yours was 94.5% and it was your biggest dps contributor still. That's roughly a 1% dps loss, every little counts.

5. Sadly your armory is set to your Assassination build so I can't see all your details. I did however notice you didnt have shadow nova damage in yours logs which is another bit of dps loss. Every trait up to level 30 in Sub is a dps gain. If you're not even at 3 dragons on your weapon then you're probably losing alot of dps through that alone.

Overall most of your low dps comes from gear optimisation, missing the bloodlust potion and having a low artifact level in your sub weapon. You seem to be heavily invested in your assassination build so I would recommend sticking with assassination with Sub offspec loot specialisation and hoping for the boots to drop. Dual speccing Assassination and Subtlety doesn't really work as they are both highly gear dependant and optimising for one spec will hurt the other spec alot. If you want to main Sub then you've got to start Simming for Sub.

[Abalon]

So I have a 885 fel sack atm is it really that bad? I can probaly get a 880 eviscerate one from nb if needed currently using a 890 nb one from nyth, 880 eviscerate from nb and 885 sac

[DeadDream]

Overall most of your low dps comes from gear optimisation, missing the bloodlust potion and having a low artifact level in your sub weapon. You seem to be heavily invested in your assassination build so I would recommend sticking with assassination with Sub offspec loot specialisation and hoping for the boots to drop. Dual speccing Assassination and Subtlety doesn't really work as they are both highly gear dependant and optimising for one spec will hurt the other spec alot. If you want to main Sub then you've got to start Simming for Sub.

Thanks for your input! As you already mentioned, i do really miss some very important things like bloodlust potion (because i screwed my prepot), correct relics and well, yes, artifact traits. I don't have 3 dragons yet, only 32 lvl for now. I have 24 in outlaw and 27 in sin. I don't have very much time to go mythic+ dungeons, so all my gear is pretty much non-optimized, and i use it in all 3 specs. Only rings differs, but that's all i got.
And since i can't change anything my itemization, only the rotation matters. And if i understand you correctly, everything is fine (except for nighblade, but i can fix that).

I was playing subtlety as main spec since Cataclysm and i haven't ever been so frustrated.

Thank you for spending time on my log, it's much appreciated!

[Deleted]

So I have a 885 fel sack atm is it really that bad? I can probaly get a 880 eviscerate one from nb if needed currently using a 890 nb one from nyth, 880 eviscerate from nb and 885 sac

The 880 evis one will be better than the 885 sac

[Abalon]

So I have a 885 fel sack atm is it really that bad? I can probaly get a 880 eviscerate one from nb if needed currently using a 890 nb one from nyth, 880 eviscerate from nb and 885 sac