8 years in prison for Voter Fraud.

[Beazy]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Tri...413091043.html


8 Years might be a bit too much.

[Kaleredar]

I wonder how many people will knee-jerk respond to this about the necessity of "poll IDs" (meant to disenfranchise liberal voters) without reading that the woman voted in the republican primaries.

[ParanoiD84]

Maby she should have researched the sentence for fraud before doing it?

[Xandrigity]

I wonder how many people will knee-jerk respond to this about the necessity of "poll IDs" (meant to disenfranchise liberal voters) without reading that the woman voted in the republican primaries.

Actually it says she voted the final (5th) time in the republican primary. It does not say in what election the other 4 times, could have been same primary in a different county or a different primary all togeather. It just doesn't say, just to be clear.

[Beazy]

I wonder how many people will knee-jerk respond to this about the necessity of "poll IDs" (meant to disenfranchise liberal voters) without reading that the woman voted in the republican primaries.

We already need an ID in TX. So the IDs wouldn't stop this kind of sneaky`ness.

But still, I dont think 8 years is just.

[Kaleredar]

Actually it says she voted the final (5th) time in the republican primary. It does not say in what election the other 4 times, could have been same primary in a different county or a different primary all togeather. It just doesn't say, just to be clear.

True, but seeing as voter IDs are usually sold on the notion that we "need to keep illegal immigrants from voting for democrats" this stands in pretty stark contrast to that narrative.

She wasn't an illegal immigrant and did not vote for a democrat.

[tss]

A Grand Prairie woman who was found guilty on two counts of illegal voting has been sentenced to eight years in prison along with a $5,000 fine on Thursday.

Rosa Maria Ortega was arrested in 2015. She is a legal U.S. resident, but is not a citizen and therefore, not qualified to vote.

“This case shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure, and the outcome sends a message that violators of the state’s election law will be prosecuted to the fullest,” Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement. “Safeguarding the integrity of our elections is essential to preserving our democracy.”

A Tarrant County jury deliberated for about two hours before returning the guilty verdict Wednesday. Ortega was sentenced on Thursday.

Prosecutors say Ortega applied to vote in Tarrant County and acknowledged on the application form that she was not a citizen. The county rejected her application and notified her she was not qualified to vote.

But five months later, she applied again and this time claimed she was a citizen, they said.

Ortega never actually voted in Tarrant County, but investigators learned has previously voted in Dallas County.

The defense argued that Ortega didn't understand the difference between "resident" and "citizen" on the applications.

Dallas County Elections Administrator Toni Pippins-Poole said records showed that Ortega had voted a total of five times, most recently in the Republican primary runoff in May 2014.

In court Tuesday, prosecutors showed voter registration documents from Dallas County and the applications from Tarrant County.

And in audio recordings played in the court room, Sgt. Boone Caldwell, an investigator from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office, asks Ortega if she is a citizen, and she replies "yes." He then asks if she is a U.S. citizen and she says "Mexican."

Defense attorney Clark Birdsall said Ortega came to America with her mother as a small child.

Birdsall asked Boone Tuesday if he had informed Ortega that their conversation was being recorded. Boone said he had not.

Good, fuck her.

[Vinictus]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Tri...413091043.html


8 Years might be a bit too much.

You won't have to do any of it if you don't commit the crime? Lol, what's wrong with you

[cubby]

I wonder how many people will knee-jerk respond to this about the necessity of "poll IDs" (meant to disenfranchise liberal voters) without reading that the woman voted in the republican primaries.

Just about everyone, I would imagine.

[Beazy]

You won't have to do any of it if you don't commit the crime? Lol, what's wrong with you

I think there should be a punishment for voter fraud. But 8 years just doesn't seem right? Am I really out of line here?

[Xandrigity]

True, but seeing as voter IDs are usually sold on the notion that we "need to keep illegal immigrants from voting for democrats" this stands in pretty stark contrast to that narrative.

She wasn't an illegal immigrant and did not vote for a democrat.

She could have been voting against trump in the republican primary. Many folks just wanted trump to not get the nomination under any means, just saying. She could have also voted in the democratic primary as well. Covered all the bases : )

In any event 8 years does seem excessive but perhaps it's because there were multiple times she voted. Maybe if it was isolated to one time would have been a lot less.

[ati87]

Primary is party related and not country, don't think they can really punish you for that.

[Fastlane_hellscream]

I have met several illegal immigrants and a handle full of legal U.S. residents from Brazil while living in Orlando. They all know, regardless if they speak English or not, that they are not allowed to vote in our elections. If you are illegally here, you didn't go through customs to be told the rules I suppose. So maybe there is that ignorance factor for some, but it is stated she was a legal U.S. resident. I find it hard to imagine she did this out of ignorance since she was turned down once for not being a citizen. Common sense should have made her at least think "maybe I can't vote legally, because they just told me I can't vote legally". She intentionally broke the law, and a lot of weight is given to that fact in her sentencing I would think. I think 8 years is just right for people like that. I would not give 8 years if she did it out of pure ignorance for example. But it is pretty obvious that wasn't the case.

[Total Crica]

4 years in prison for fucking with our lives, and not allowed to vote unsupervised ever again. That's reasonable, no? It even creates jobs, yay!

[Deleted]

I wonder how many people will knee-jerk respond to this about the necessity of "poll IDs" (meant to disenfranchise liberal voters) without reading that the woman voted in the republican primaries.

Please tell me how requiring an ID will affect one side worse than the other. Do liberals follow a religion that forbids them from having IDs or something? Or are you admitting that a large part of the liberal voters are illegal aliens voting?

[sheggaro]

Good, make an example out of her.

[IIamaKing]

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time. Voter fraud, when caught, absolutely should be treated very harshly.

[RampageBW1]

I think there should be a punishment for voter fraud. But 8 years just doesn't seem right? Am I really out of line here?

Didn't the Dr who killed Michael Jackson get less time than this?

[Kaleredar]

Please tell me how requiring an ID will affect one side worse than the other. Do liberals follow a religion that forbids them from having IDs or something? Or are you admitting that a large part of the liberal voters are illegal aliens voting?

Well here are a few articles on the matter:

The Economist: A texas law could disenfranchise 600,000 voters

The Atlantic: How voter ID laws are being used to disenfranchise minorities and the poor

Newsweek: Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory Efforts to Disenfranchise, Courts Rule

NPR: 'Racially Discriminatory Intent' And Voter ID Laws

PBS: Texas voter ID law discriminates against minorities, court rules

I posted a lot of links from many different news sources, though I await your reasoning as to why PBS and NPR are "liberal socialist drek."


In short, younger people and minorities, who tend to vote more liberally, are more inconvenienced by fees and travel distances required to obtain voter IDs. Acquiring an ID also often requires several other forms of ID, like a driver's license or passport, that younger individuals or minorities may not have. This is a statistically observable fact.

MEANWHILE, Voter ID fraud is not a remotely statistically significant problem. Efforts to pass voter ID laws are hollow attempts to disenfranchise voters.

It's never a matter of "we should require voter IDs, so we're going to use taxpayer money to send every single citizen over the age of 18 a voter ID, free of other charge." It's always a matter of "we're going to instate a program, and people will just have to jump through hoops. It just so happens that the people who vote for our political opponents would find it that much more difficult to vote!"


Despite Trump's claim (also known as "bald-faced lie,") Illegal immigrants do not vote in mass numbers. There have been 150 prosecuted cases of voter fraud... In the last ten years... across ALL of the United States of America. Most of them are people voting under the name of their dead relative or doing something like voting twice.


So the effect is that American citizens are being disenfranchised. The ostensible "reason" is to prevent a problem that doesn't happen. The only people CHAMPIONING this cause are ones who benefit from afformentioned people being disenfranchised.

It's not rocket science.

[Moon-Man]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Tri...413091043.html


8 Years might be a bit too much.

No it is not, they deserve every second of it. They are lucky it's not a death sentence.

Do the crime, do the time.

Time for Voter ID to kick it too.