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    We should stop putting women in jail. For anything.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.3e76df1a9671

    Interesting article. I'm a proponent of alternative sentencing methods, since our recidivism rates are abysmal, but the idea of giving women special treatment seems a bit sexist.

    What say you MMOC-OT

    It sounds like a radical idea: Stop incarcerating women, and close down women’s prisons. But in Britain, there is a growing movement, sponsored by a peer in the House of Lords, to do just that.

    The argument is actually quite straightforward: There are far fewer women in prison than men to start with — women make up just 7 percent of the prison population. This means that these women are disproportionately affected by a system designed for men.

    But could women’s prisons actually be eliminated in the United States, where the rate of women’s incarceration has risen by 646 percent in the past 30 years? The context is different, but many of the arguments are the same.

    Essentially, the case for closing women’s prisons is the same as the case for imprisoning fewer men. It is the case against the prison industrial complex and for community-based treatment where it works better than incarceration. But there is evidence that prison harms women more than men, so why not start there?

    Any examination of the women who are in U.S. prisons reveals that the majority are nonviolent offenders with poor education, little employment experience and multiple histories of abuse from childhood through adulthood. Women are also more likely than men to have children who rely on them for support — 147,000 American children have mothers in prison.

    Prison nation

    The United States is a prison nation. More than 1.5 million people are incarcerated in the country. And this obsession with punishment is expensive. Cumulatively, states spend more than $52 billion a year on their prison systems. The federal government also spends tens of billions to police, prosecute and imprison people, though research demonstrates that incarceration harms individual well-being and does not improve public safety.

    What purpose is served by subjecting the most disempowered, abused and nonviolent women to the perpetually negative environment of prisons?

    Efforts to make prison “work” for women have only perpetuated the growth of the prison industrial complex. These putative reforms have helped some individuals, and possibly brought the nature of mass warehousing of poor, black and brown bodies more into focus, but the number of incarcerated people still continues to rise.

    Community interventions work

    So what is the alternative to jailing women at the rate we do? In Britain, advocates propose community sentences for nonviolent offenders and housing violent offenders in small custodial centers near their families.

    There is evidence that these approaches can work in the United States. Opportunities to test alternatives to prison are increasing across the states, and some have demonstrated beneficial results for the women who participated.

    For example, state-funded Project Redeploy in Illinois has built upon the evidence that nonviolent offenders are more effectively treated in their communities by diverting 1,376 nonviolent offenders from prison since January 2011, when the program began, through the end of 2013.

    Oklahoma is currently ranked No. 1 for female incarceration per capita in the country. Nearly 80 percent of Oklahoma’s incarcerated women are nonviolent offenders, their presence in prison largely attributed to drug abuse, distribution of controlled substances, prostitution and property crimes.

    A program that began five years ago, Women in Recovery, provides an alternative to prison for women who are sentenced for felony crimes linked to alcohol or drug addiction. The program includes comprehensive treatment and services such as employment services, housing assistance and family reunification. Women with small children are given the highest priority for admission to the program. Women who complete the program, averaging about 18 months, have a high degree of success after release.

    The program coordinator has told me that 68 percent of the women who completed the program had no further involvement with the criminal justice system.

    Starting with women

    Even as we learn about promising diversion programs for women, are we really ready to shut down women’s prisons? If we think of abolition as a citizens’ effort and believe that women should be allowed to jump the queue for transport along the path of recovery and healing, there are steps that must be taken from a feminist perspective.

    We need to understand the harm embedded in the current prison system and explore what alternative responses already exist. For example, Susan Burton, the founder of A New Way of Life, a group of transition homes for women exiting prison in Los Angeles, indicates that an abolitionist perspective transforms the lives of former prisoners. Direct assistance from this program reconnects women to their families, communities and citizenship. Circle processes used by indigenous communities in the United States, Canada and New Zealand provide models for these practices.

    The systemic production of mass incarceration cannot be solved simply by assisting troubled and troubling individual women. Another step to abolition requires taking the discussion beyond the individuals and communities most directly harmed, controlled and erased by the prison industrial complex to the public sphere that has passively accepted it. Put simply, we need to stop seeing prisons as an inevitable part of life.

    Another way

    If we can’t close down women’s prisons, we can at least slow down their expansion. Efforts to isolate women from their communities must be identified and opposed.

    In Denver, for example, the Fail the Jail campaign helped defeat the addition of new jail beds. Instead, the director of the state’s community reentry project told me that alternatives have proven to help individual women and change community attitudes.

    The case for closing women’s prisons is built on the experiences of formerly incarcerated women and activists who recognize that women who are mothers and community builders can find their way forward when they respected and supported. It is possible to imagine a future without women’s prisons; whether it’s achievable will require a bigger shift in thinking.




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    This, hilariously, seems more prompted by the fact that it's not as profitable to jail women compared to men more than anything else, but it already started with "sexism!".

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    No thanks Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    This, hilariously, seems more prompted by the fact that it's not as profitable to jail women compared to men more than anything else, but it already started with "sexism!".
    Even as we learn about promising diversion programs for women, are we really ready to shut down women’s prisons? If we think of abolition as a citizens’ effort and believe that women should be allowed to jump the queue for transport along the path of recovery and healing, there are steps that must be taken from a feminist perspective.
    Incarceration shouldn't be looked at as a Male/Female perspective. It should be approached as a Violent/nonviolent or Habitual/non-habitual offender.

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    Like anything else... interesting idea and worth talking about, but not a really viable. It would also violate the Equal Protection Clause. So that's the end of that right there. Over and done.

    Now can we just skip the part where the MMO-OT Alt-Reich swoops in an has a hate/rage bukakke for someone dare even bringing the idea up? We all know the notes you rubes are going to hit, so spare us.

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    Third-wave feminism needs to die yesterday. Including the journals that publish their rubish ideals.

    At least the second-wave feminists are the true equalitarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Incarceration shouldn't be looked at as a Male/Female perspective. It should be approached as a Violent/nonviolent or Habitual/non-habitual offender.
    They're literally saying the population of women in prison is a 1:7 female:male ratio, and most of the female offenders shouldn't be because of the nature of their crime.

    It also goes further to note that nonviolent should have rehabilitation and community programs ("So what is the alternative to jailing women at the rate we do? In Britain, advocates propose community sentences for nonviolent offenders and housing violent offenders in small custodial centers near their families.") instead of being jailed, which would make the women's prisons literally useless.

    You can bitch and moan that it's feminism gone wrong and sexism if you want, but you're missing the entire point of the article to bitch at the clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    They're literally saying the population of women in prison is a 1:7 female:male ratio
    It's not even 1:7 ratio, it's around 1:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Like anything else... interesting idea and worth talking about, but not a really viable. It would also violate the Equal Protection Clause. So that's the end of that right there. Over and done.

    Now can we just skip the part where the MMO-OT Alt-Reich swoops in an has a hate/rage bukakke for someone dare even bringing the idea up? We all know the notes you rubes are going to hit, so spare us.
    Aww comeon Skroe, don't be angry.

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    This is just a gender thread, and its even in the wrong section since its not poltical

    closing

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