Getting a bad legendary shouldn't feel like getting punched

[A dot Ham]

This is what happens when the screeching of a handful of whiners directed Blizzard's design philosophy to cater to the casual player.

Ya because "casuals" asked for, nay whined for, a collection of generic legendaries. Its really quite irritating that rest of us have to drudge through the same ol shit to get toward anything worth reading or responding to.

2 years, 200 posts, and you grace us with this garbage? Try harder.

I feel like blaming a casual (the easiest and most tired of targets) should be an instant infraction. It is 100% not contributory by any sense of the imagination... it is a baseless accusation targeting the MAJORITY of players/posters for one single purpose... to be inflammatory and cause unrest.

[thsevecha]

Maybe, instead of dropping the item they could make a token drop and we could choose which legendary to buy at a vendor. That way they get to keep their precious RNG and we get to have a little more control of what item acquire.

[Phuongvi]

I'm really not in a rush to get Pillars of the Dark Portal for Warlock, But I am imaging the punch.
Already got Norgannon's Foresight and it feel like a slap, not a punch but a big fucking slap

[Nyel]

If the difference between the BiS and everything else wasn't so extreme it really wouldn't be a problem... But right now the BiS legendaries are a massive increase.


What needs to happen to the legendary system is to remove all throughput legendaries, if we only had legendaries with utility effects, it would be fine.

We just need a way to "choose" our Legendary, e.h. disenchant two Legendaries to get one of your choice.

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I'm really not in a rush to get Pillars of the Dark Portal for Warlock, But I am imaging the punch.
Already got Norgannon's Foresight and it feel like a slap, not a punch but a big fucking slap

Yeah, happened to me on my Mage. Was anticipating a Legendary and then... well... it was Norgannon's Foresight. I can't express how I felt.

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I got three crap legendaries in a row so I quit the game. If I wanted to deal with random crap loot, I'd go play Diablo.

LOL happened to me on my Paladin. Got the worst Legendary for Holy Paladin as my 1st. After that I got Aggrammar's Striders which are the 2nd worst. And right after that I got Sephuz which is the 3rd worst Legendary. Amazing, isn't it? At least I found it very funny.

[Zyky]

You want the best gear, without beeing one of the best. Seriously, you can't expect to spend 2 hours a day and be even with someone who spends 8 etc. And the difference between bis legendary and average one is about what 2-5%? Getting a bad trinket proc is a way bigger loss than that. Just man up and realise that you can't get everything for free with the:"BUT MY ALT CANT COMPETE" bullshit. If your alt can't compete with a main, that's actually good design and should be like this.

Reality is the legendary system is trash and it makes certain specs play like garbage without them, and even if it were a main without the legendary you'll be sat because you won't be able to play your spec to the best that you can. Couple examples, Sub Rogues with shoulders and Havoc DHs with AotHG Ring. The specs just play horribly and they are literally 100-200k dps increases EACH.

[Deleted]

I dont know how you guys play or how many houers a day you play but whit mi main mage playing 2 to 3h daily i have already all the legendaries for the 3 mage spec, by this time any1 that actually plays the game should have at least all the legendaries for 1 spec.
Btw if any1 interested how i farmed my legendaries was:
doing all lfr, normal, hc of all released raids and mythic of the curent raid
the daily caches
all the mythic +0 dungeons
and from 7.2 onwards all the wq on the broken shore to get lots of caches per 100 resources turned in
and 1 month ago i found out that the elite rares and the little tresure boxes on the broken shore can also drop legendaries (in fact got 2 legendaries from the elite rares on the broken shore)
Mythic keystone did really few of them only 2 or 3 per week.

[DarthMonk79]

The big one I always find funny is the whole "bad legendary" remark. Technically speaking no legendaries are bad. I mean they all give a buff that you otherwise don't have in game. They all have higher item level than any other gear in the game... yes they aren't the BiS ones but to say "I got a bad legendary" when the odds are its better than what you have equipped in that slot anyways is just insane. I mean oh no... you're getting a piece of gear that's item levels ahead of anything you are wearing, has a free buff but people are complaining because there are better ones. IF there is one thing blizzard needs to do if they keep Legendaries for next xpac I guess it would then be to get rid of these supposedly "bad" ones so people quit bitching and complaining about free loot with free buffs....

[leorana]

This is what happens when the screeching of a handful of whiners directed Blizzard's design philosophy to cater to the casual player.

right....because it was the "casual guilds" who sat players from top 10 guilds for not having the right legenderies (UH and bracers ring any bells?)

when a guild bench a world class raider simply because RNG that's simply a bad design and casuals has nothing to do with it.

[Traxwow]

You want the best gear, without beeing one of the best. Seriously, you can't expect to spend 2 hours a day and be even with someone who spends 8 etc. And the difference between bis legendary and average one is about what 2-5%? Getting a bad trinket proc is a way bigger loss than that. Just man up and realise that you can't get everything for free with the:"BUT MY ALT CANT COMPETE" bullshit. If your alt can't compete with a main, that's actually good design and should be like this.

How do you know how much I play a day? I'm talking about my main toon that I put in much more than 2 hours a day. If you think 2-5% is the different I don't think you understand the legendary system at all. Don't tell me to man up when you can't even use proper spelling and jump to massive conclusion about what I do and what I think I deserve. You couldn't go 2 sentences into a paragraph without losing your mind and creating a straw man.

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Ugh, always hated the people whom has the belief that if they don't get their BiS legendary, then they just have to reroll. Guess what, you might not get it with the new character either. You could even get the legendary you need with the old character faster. All RNG in the end. And really, you make yourself feel like shit if your feeling is so because of a legendary.

To be honest, at this point I rather we have utility legendaries only, no BiS shit, for people just tends to complain more and more. Tough luck, buttercup, we can't always get exactly what we want, and we have to work for it.

And just to throw some real examples up, I have seen people believing in rerolling to get faster legendaries, just to take even longer to get a single one.
I have seen people believing in rerolling to get faster legendaries, just to get the same ones again.
I have seen people believing in rerolling to get faster legendaries, just to see that they finally got the one they wanted on the previously discarded and soon to be deleted character.

How do you take reroll from that? I simply made the statement that it would be less time consuming to reroll the same spec at a chance for legendaries. I even stated that it wouldn't be guaranteed on the new toon, but 2 rerolls on the legendary table in a shorter amount of time still equate to a greater chance at receiving the desired legendary depending on how many legendaries the original toon has. I don't think you read the entire post or you weren't able to understand it, but I'm not saying the solution is to reroll.

It's been confirmed by Blizzard that the first 2 legendaries for a spec are given significantly faster than the later ones. I have seen countless examples on alts that I rarely play, and people who have rerolled for their guild, that counter your example. That's all anecdotal and doesn't matter, unless Blizzard confirmed the first 2 are faster, which they did.

[Clozer]

How do you know how much I play a day? I'm talking about my main toon that I put in much more than 2 hours a day. If you think 2-5% is the different I don't think you understand the legendary system at all. Don't tell me to man up when you can't even use proper spelling and jump to massive conclusion about what I do and what I think I deserve. You couldn't go 2 sentences into a paragraph without losing your mind and creating a straw man.

Ad hominem.

Keep crying about legendaries in your personal blog. Or use one of the 10000 threads here.
What's your point? What are you trying to say? I didnt get the bis legendary now i have to reroll? That discussion was already over 8 months ago.

[Jastall]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's like getting punched, but...

I'm Fury, and two days ago the Legendary I got was Timeless Stratagem, an almost useless utility one. The other 4 I could get are all manners of BiS, either for single target (helm, pants), multi target (trinket) or execute phase (talent ring). And I got the piece of trash that not only will I never use apart from my speed set in old raids, but also resets my bad luck protection on my main spec which ensures I won't see any good legendary for a good month now at this rate, but it's a class wide legendary so I also get the BLP reset on all my specs, including my Prot OS that I use semi-regularly and also have mediocre Leggos on.

It definitely feels like a punishment more than a reward. Which a Legendary item never should be.

[Traxwow]

If you play the game you basically get a legendary every 2 weeks, its not hard to have all of them. Also be interested to know what class you play that your being so heavily hindered while having 8 legendaries to pick from

I play havoc DH. I currently have head, wrists, chest, boots, class ring, KBW, prydaz, and shoulders.

Prydaz is decent, and arguably BiS for prog for some classes, but DH doesn't really need with with their mobility and the low CD on blur. Shoulders do no affect DPS unless you have aothg because you cannot get consistent 2min metas that line up with nem/cb. KBW is great for MT if the targets are all stacked within 10y of each other, but even then ST is way more important in ToS. The rest aren't even worth talking about.

[MisterBigglez]

The worst thing about it is that some legendaries are required in order to do good dps and you just have to pray and hope that you get it asap otherwise you just cannot compete. Nice design.

From my experience, the only character that got super lucky was my rogue, first legendary was the shoulders then 2 days later I got the sub wrists. Too bad its not my main, my main needs 4 more legendaries and they are all the best ones RIP.

I would honestly prefer if they just went back to a specific class(es) doing a long questchain to obtain a powerful legendary rather than the mess we have today. Hell id even settle for a stupid cape or ring that everyone gets if they really want to go back to that.

[Teri]

They sort of "fixed" the cross-spec legendaries, but some spec-only legendaries feel worse because of it and can obviously be used by only 50/33/25% of specs of that class.

Also besides that, I think there's simply too many of them.

[Ealyssa]

What could be easier than not having to actually raid to get a "legendary"? Shoo.

Why are people crying rivers if they are so easy to get. I'm confused

[Traxwow]

The big one I always find funny is the whole "bad legendary" remark. Technically speaking no legendaries are bad. I mean they all give a buff that you otherwise don't have in game. They all have higher item level than any other gear in the game... yes they aren't the BiS ones but to say "I got a bad legendary" when the odds are its better than what you have equipped in that slot anyways is just insane. I mean oh no... you're getting a piece of gear that's item levels ahead of anything you are wearing, has a free buff but people are complaining because there are better ones. IF there is one thing blizzard needs to do if they keep Legendaries for next xpac I guess it would then be to get rid of these supposedly "bad" ones so people quit bitching and complaining about free loot with free buffs....

I get what you're saying, but it's only partially true due to the legendary cap of 2. If you have 2 shitty dps legendaries and get a utility legendary that is rather useless, like the chest for DH, then there is no reason to every use it unless you're able to justify the raw stats over the stats+effect of the other 2 dps legendaries. An awful analogy would be having two 100 dollar bills and you can only hold 1 in each hand. There is a wheel you spin at the end of the week with a 50, 150, and 300. You receive a 50 dollar bill, but you would have to drop one of the two 100 dollar bills. It just feels like you received an orange nothing.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's like getting punched, but...

I'm Fury, and two days ago the Legendary I got was Timeless Stratagem, an almost useless utility one. The other 4 I could get are all manners of BiS, either for single target (helm, pants), multi target (trinket) or execute phase (talent ring). And I got the piece of trash that not only will I never use apart from my speed set in old raids, but also resets my bad luck protection on my main spec which ensures I won't see any good legendary for a good month now at this rate, but it's a class wide legendary so I also get the BLP reset on all my specs, including my Prot OS that I use semi-regularly and also have mediocre Leggos on.

It definitely feels like a punishment more than a reward. Which a Legendary item never should be.

Exactly how I feel. I honestly wouldn't even mind the system if they removed the legendaries that affect dps for a dps spec, or if they made them less of an impact on how that spec is played.

[cparle87]

Some classes don't really function properly

Arms
Havoc
Current BoS
Rogue

That's what he's talking about. Players have perpetuated the myth that these specs/classes don't "function" properly without certain leggos. The way they function without the leggos is how they're supposed to be. Leggos are simply an augmentation. Instead of looking at it like the legendary giving you a 20% bonus on top of their standard 100%, then look at needing the leggo to reach 100% otherwise they'll only be at 80%.

[Heladys]

Honestly man if getting a bad legendary feels like getting punched you should get down on your knees and be grateful that you haven't a fucking clue what being punched feels like. Grow the fuck up.

[mireigi]

The issue that I have with the legendary system is that it is completely random, and awards time spent, rather than focuses effort.

Previously legendaries was something you worked for. It required you to gather the appropriate materials, kill specific bosses, and ally yourself with friends, crafters, and certain factions to get a legendary.

Today, while more difficult content provides a higher chance of getting a legendary than easier content, it is still just that - a chance. And the legendary is random.

When the acquisition of great rewards is based on luck, rather than effort, the reward itself feels less enjoyable.

[Traxwow]

Honestly man if getting a bad legendary feels like getting punched you should get down on your knees and be grateful that you haven't a fucking clue what being punched feels like. Grow the fuck up.

Coming from someone that frequents political posts on a WoW forum. I think you need to grow up.