Which Empire could defeat the Scourge or at least have a chance of defeating them?

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

The Scourge is known as one of the strongest empire in Warcraft Lore. They can raise and turn their fallen enemies into more scourge troops. They do not need food nor do they get tired. They cannot be corrupted by anything, not even the Old Gods. Even if someone is immune to their plagues. They would still be able to reanimate that person once he or she dies. And even if something can't be resurrected into a undead. The Scourge can still use their fresh to make abominations. In order for a empire to defeat the Scourge empire. They would need a few key traits. The empire must be large and powerful. They'll need to be aggressive and gain a huge amount of momentum. Being immune to the plague or immune to becoming undead would help greatly. Luck would also be a good factor here.

Edit - instead of only empires, let's count any form of factions so for example the Genesaur, Magnarons from WoD, Mumur etc counts too.

Below are the factions I see that could defeat or at least have a chance of defeating the scourge.

The Burning Legion (not counting 7.3 - They have stronger pound for pound troops in almost all units plus they are far larger. The Legion had to fight every major faction and hero at the same time which is the reason they seem weaker than they should in Legion. Still in the warlock destruction spec quest. The Legion would had gotten a huge amount of reinforcements if they haven't been stopped. I believe the Legion could defeat almost any faction if they were to focus on one at a time.

Black Empire - The Black Empire at it's prime has the Old Gods, Aqir, and Faceless Ones. This empire should be able to steamroll the Scourge easily.

Aqir Empire - The united insect civilization would stand a good chance against the Scourge. They are a powerful remnants of the Black Empire.

Zandalari Empire - the Prime Zandalar Empire even managed to defeat the Aqir Empire. Might stand a decent chance.

Kaldorei Empire - The ancient Night Elf Empire is large enough with extremely powerful magic. They should have a chance too.

Ethereal Empire - At their primes, they seem to have a whole world under their control before it got destroyed by a Void Lord.

These are the ones I think could defeat the Scourge or at least stands a chance against them. The ancient Mogu were powerful but the tweet already confirmed that the scourge would defeat them. The others like Illidan's army, Deathwing's army, Iron Horde etc would all die easily.

[Maljinwo]

Black Empire

[sam86]

The only one i see they win is one u didn't name but u did mention, the void empire that ended etheral one
The black empire might been strong, but they still had living in their ranks (the psudo aqir), and any living creature is fuel to scourge armies , if they had only faceless ones and void creatures then they also can beat scourge
In general any empire that has any living force can't beat full might of scourge

[zlygork]

Mogu empire. Being made out of stone sort of trumps the Scourge's greatest strength.

[Aliven]

Common sense? Any one. Hell, stormwind + khazmodan + gnomes could do that.
Blizzard logic? OMGWENEEDLICHKINGORWEDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

The only one i see they win is one u didn't name but u did mention, the void empire that ended etheral one
The black empire might been strong, but they still had living in their ranks (the psudo aqir), and any living creature is fuel to scourge armies , if they had only faceless ones and void creatures then they also can beat scourge
In general any empire that has any living force can't beat full might of scourge

Do the Void even have a empire? Thought they were just extremely powerful godlike beings. But I guess we can change from empire to faction so that way we could count them too.

The Black Empire had the fully powered Old Gods so combined with the massive amount of insects and faceless ones. I could see them defeating the Scourge even if the former had living beings. It won't be impossible for a living empire to beat the Scourge just a lot harder. The Zerg Swarm even tho are living beings would probably defeat the scourge. The Aqir had the full might of the insect civilizations before they split. The Nerubians alone were able to give the Scourge a decent fight in wars of the spider and they mainly lost because they were fighting on two fronts, against the scourge and faceless ones from deep below. The scourge could reanimate them but if the living side are big and powerful enough, They'll just destroy the scourge before the latter could turn the tide. But I'm also not saying for certain they would defeat the scourge, they would just at least have a chance.

Mogu empire. Being made out of stone sort of trumps the Scourge's greatest strength.

A twitter post from one of the Dev already confirmed that the scourge would beat the mogu empire in their primes. The scourge doesn't need to resurrect them if they could just swarm them and as we see, the scourge has a lot more than just zombies and skeletons.

[Techno-Druid]

Do the Void even have a empire? Thought they were just extremely powerful godlike beings. But I guess we can change from empire to faction so that way we could count them too.

The Black Empire had the fully powered Old Gods so combined with the massive amount of insects and faceless ones. I could see them defeating the Scourge even if the former had living beings. It won't be impossible for a living empire to beat the Scourge just a lot harder. The Zerg Swarm even tho are living beings would probably defeat the scourge. The Aqir had the full might of the insect civilizations before they split. The Nerubians alone were able to give the Scourge a decent fight in wars of the spider and they mainly lost because they were fighting on two fronts, against the scourge and faceless ones from deep below. The scourge could reanimate them but if the living side are big and powerful enough, They'll just destroy the scourge before the latter could turn the tide. But I'm also not saying for certain they would defeat the scourge, they would just at least have a chance.



A twitter post from one of the Dev already confirmed that the scourge would beat the mogu empire in their primes. The scourge doesn't need to resurrect them if they could just swarm them and as we see, the scourge has a lot more than just zombies and skeletons.

If the Mogu Empire couldn't beat the Scourge then that rules at the Zandalari as they were roughly equal in power in their prime.

My answer:

Tol'vir, they could just use the Forge of Origination like they did to wipe Lei Shen out.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

If the Mogu Empire couldn't beat the Scourge then that rules at the Zandalari as they were roughly equal in power in their prime.

My answer:

Tol'vir, they could just use the Forge of Origination like they did to wipe Lei Shen out.

Was it specifically said they were equal in the chronicles? The wowpedia said the trolls has other motives besides helping them so it seems like the Zandalari just view them as a good ally instead of something that is as strong as them. Another thing is the Mogu empire during it's prime with Lei Shen didn't want to risk dealing with the Mantid Swarm. While the Prime Zandalari defeated the Aqir Empire which should had more than the combined might of a prime Mantid, Nerubian, and Oiraja Empire.

Agree on the Tol'vir. that origination weapon is op as fuck.

[yetgdhfgh]

Why is the scourge that strong anyway?

After all most of the zombies came from humans and they wasnt that many in Northrend and surely what left cant be that many?

The scourge is the most overated threat in all of Azeroth!

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Why is the scourge that strong anyway?

After all most of the zombies came from humans and they wasnt that many in Northrend and surely what left cant be that many?

The scourge is the most overated threat in all of Azeroth!

Lol that's why there must always be a Lich King cause the Scourge if used to their full potential would be extremely powerful and dangerous. Many things from wc3 to wow already shows you why they are so powerful. The Scourge has far more than just zombies. Construct units, plague using units, magic users, undead insects, undead dragons, ,gargoyles near endless amount of ghouls, etc etc.

[Friendlyimmolation]

High elves with working elf gates.

[Ealyssa]

1)The scourge is not an empire, not even close
2)It was allready defeated

[Deleted]

Did blizzard not once say that the Trolls would rule the world if they would just unite under 1 banner.
Ofc this was before all the killing over the WoW exp packs.

[Techno-Druid]

Was it specifically said they were equal in the chronicles? The wowpedia said the trolls has other motives besides helping them so it seems like the Zandalari just view them as a good ally instead of something that is as strong as them. Another thing is the Mogu empire during it's prime with Lei Shen didn't want to risk dealing with the Mantid Swarm. While the Prime Zandalari defeated the Aqir Empire which should had more than the combined might of a prime Mantid, Nerubian, and Oiraja Empire.

Agree on the Tol'vir. that origination weapon is op as fuck.

Many millennia past the mogu and trolls met. They should have destroyed each other, but they understood that in a war, pitting strength against strength, the survivor would be weakened and might even succumb to creatures far weaker than it. That would be a tragedy that neither race wanted. With back firmly set against back, mogu and trolls carved out their positions in the world.[7] 12,000 - 13,000 years ago the Zandalari and the mogu boasted the most powerful empires in Azeroth. The Zandalari were actually allied with the mogu warlords who ruled Pandaria, keeping the Pandaren as their slaves.

Both the mogu and Zandalari held contempt for one another. The Zandalari thought themselves above the mogu for two reasons: the presence of the loa, and that the Zandalari did not use slaves as the mogu did. The mutual contempt between the two would grow to polite indifference. They trusted the other not to attack, because they were confident they would defeat the other. While Zandalari and mogu stood back to back, they did not watch the other and did not see the other falter.[4]

I think if one was more powerful than the other then one would've wiped the other out.

[MonsieuRoberts]

I think most 'actual' empires could've held their own against the scourge. Undoubtedly the Zandalari would put up quite the fight, if not simply succeed.

[Aquamonkey]

Edit - instead of only empires, let's count any form of factions so for example the Genesaur, Magnarons from WoD, Mumur etc counts too.

Murmur would obliterate the planet with the slightest whisper. He's titan-level power.

Do the Void even have a empire? Thought they were just extremely powerful godlike beings. But I guess we can change from empire to faction so that way we could count them too.

Not so much that they have an empire, but they do have armies.

Over the years, however, Dimensius eventually grew powerful enough to summon armies of fellow void creatures, forcing the ethereals to flee into the Twisting Nether. (AskCDev1)

Mogu empire. Being made out of stone sort of trumps the Scourge's greatest strength.

At the height of their prime, Lich King vs Thunder King: who wins?
1on1? Thunder King. But LK is smarter. Army vs Army, Arthas would tear his empire to SHREADS. (DaveKosak)

[yetgdhfgh]

Lol that's why there must always be a Lich King cause the Scourge if used to their full potential would be extremely powerful and dangerous. Many things from wc3 to wow already shows you why they are so powerful. The Scourge has far more than just zombies. Construct units, plague using units, magic users, undead insects, undead dragons, ,gargoyles near endless amount of ghouls, etc etc.

And yet the lich king needs Dks to use as pawns?

Did you not do the DK questlines? Its almost like he is using them and why should he after all what you say he has a army of undead insects, gargoyles etc etc

[Aquamonkey]

And yet the lich king needs Dks to use as pawns?

Did you not do the DK questlines? Its almost like he is using them and why should he after all what you say he has a army of undead insects, gargoyles etc etc

Throughout WotLK, Arthas was just toying with Azeroth.

[yetgdhfgh]

Throughout WotLK, Arthas was just toying with Azeroth.

Then why are we invading Argus clearly we have bigger fish to fry?

Sorry Sargeras the Lich king has some zombies that might be a threat! After all they wasnt that much when we took down ICC!!!!

[Aquamonkey]

Then why are we invading Argus clearly we have bigger fish to fry?

Sorry Sargeras the Lich king has some zombies that might be a threat! After all they wasnt that much when we took down ICC!!!!

...because we already dealt with the Lich King... in WotLK.