GOOD PVE U.H SPEC

[Frozencross]

PLS can some one give me a good u.h PvE spec for raids

[Bainz]

Be more specific and don't act like a fool and someone may be obliged to help you.

Tank or DPS?

[Frozencross]

yea sorry...... DpS spec pls

[Bullshifter]

This is Unholy full dps spec I'm using: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhI0ckgcq0csut

It's probably the most typical one tbh.

[Zolder]

This is Unholy full dps spec I'm using:http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhI0ckgcq0csut

It's probably the most typical one tbh.

Typical for whom?

Here's a much better DPS build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhhxMkgcoMfsut ( replace one of the Blood-Caked Blade points for Corpse Explosion after patch ).

[Bullshifter]

Typical for whom?

Here's a much better DPS build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhhxMkgcoMfsut ( replace one of the Blood-Caked Blade points for Corpse Explosion after patch ).

By typical I suppose I was saying the majority of Unholy dps'rs.

May I ask why you don't have any points in desecration? What are your thoughts on Necrosis, since you put points in it? You don't like Outbreak? Just curious what your thoughts are on them and why you spec'd the way you did. I'm always open to rethinking the builds.

I'll compare Desecration and Necrosis for example as a way to look at where those 5 points are better spent. Necrosis adds 10% to your Auto attack damage. My white damage makes up around 18% of my total damage done in general. That means Necrosis is adding roughly 2% damage for 5 points. Desecration adds 5% damage to everything you do. So 5% damage, or 1% per talent point. Seems like Desecration is a better value.

[DYBIF]

Personally using this spec

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=000000000000

and loving it.

[Bullshifter]

What are you liking about it so much DYBIF?

[Noonie]

Necrosis > Desc in the long run and most fights have been more mobile and moving around. If you choose to go this route, do only 4/5.

I did a test on dummies 80 at heroic lvl and I was getting 200 more dps with Necrosis.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhIxckgco0csut is what I was using. Might change when patch comes out, not sure.

On patchwerk I was getting 4100 dps and aoe dps is really good.

[Bullshifter]

Interesting, I'll have to give it some more thought then, thanks.

[Bullshifter]

hahahaaha, no...just no.,..ahaahahah.
so many noob DK's it's embarrasing.

Personally I was wondering if it was a joke, hehe...that's why I wanted an explanation.

[DYBIF]

hahahaaha, no...just no.,..ahaahahah.
so many noob DK's it's embarrasing.

Funny many people have been criticizing my spec yet I don't see them above me in damage meters....wonder why.

You talk about noob DK's yet all I see is a bad talent tree with many benefits spread all around.

Yet where's the talent spec you're using, hmm?

[Bullshifter]

So now that you're back DYBIF, I am curious about your spec- what exactly makes your spec work so well?

[Jurio]

Necrosis > Desc in the long run and most fights have been more mobile and moving around. If you choose to go this route, do only 4/5.

I did a test on dummies 80 at heroic lvl and I was getting 200 more dps with Necrosis.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhIxckgco0csut is what I was using. Might change when patch comes out, not sure.

On patchwerk I was getting 4100 dps and aoe dps is really good.

Yea but.. were you using glyph of blood strike + desc?

[DYBIF]

So now that you're back DYBIF, I am curious about your spec- what exactly makes your spec work so well?

Work so well?

Not really the best spec yet I've gotten all the benefits I want.

SG for boss fights where I have to move in and out.

unholy presence for many people that tend to stay in for an extra hit or two before pulling out.(Loken)....at least their shouldn't be an excuse there.

The only problem I currently have with my spec is wandering plague since my crit is at 20% So I don't see it proc as often.

The best no. Many of the spec I'm seeing are all dependent of the player and how well they can use their DK and how they use it in instances/raids.

[Bullshifter]

Yah, I truly wasn't being sarcastic, just looking for your thoughts. I definitely think there are some points here and there in an Unholy build that are all reasonably close to each other based on individual playstyle, I just hadn't seen one quite so heavy in Unholy, while leaving out some nice blood talents like Bladed Armor and whatnot, so I was intrigued.

[Shamb]

Necrosis > Desc in the long run and most fights have been more mobile and moving around. If you choose to go this route, do only 4/5.

I did a test on dummies 80 at heroic lvl and I was getting 200 more dps with Necrosis.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhIxckgco0csut is what I was using. Might change when patch comes out, not sure.

On patchwerk I was getting 4100 dps and aoe dps is really good.

You DO realize that you are telling us that a LOT more then 50% of your damage comes from white attacks ??? For necrosis = desecration in static fight (aka the target dummy test you did...) you need to have EXACTLY 50% of your dmg as white dmg . . . That's very simple math, you don't have to try and test it...

I agree that if you need to move a lot then necrosis can be better then desecration, but what you said cannot be true, or your rotation is totally broken.

[DYBIF]

Yah, I truly wasn't being sarcastic, just looking for your thoughts. I definitely think there are some points here and there in an Unholy build that are all reasonably close to each other based on individual playstyle, I just hadn't seen one quite so heavy in Unholy, while leaving out some nice blood talents like Bladed Armor and whatnot, so I was intrigued.

I wish blizz would've put bladed armor on the 1st tier of blood instead of the 2nd tier.

and if would always be running with a shammy I wouldn't be needed on a pale horse.

Yet we can't have it all xD.

[Maihes]

+45% Damage on Plague strike compared to +6% more white damage is the real comparison, not desecration unless you get stupid filler talents.

On a Pale Horse instead of AP / Crit talents in Blood is a stupid choice when OP asked for a PvE DPS spec.

CE... Even after patch... needs a dead mob, not very raid intended talent from my point of view. 2% more white damage that ignores armor > something useless on bosses.

Then it comes down to 2% Spell Hit for DC / Pestilence instead of more Necrosis damage. This one is up to you, I personally prefer the higher Necrosis, yes it is a small portion of white damage but it is always there, wether you have lag or not etc. This one is personal pref.

So unless you are getting Outbreak <why?> how are you comparing a 3rd tier talent with an 7th tier talent unless you spend filler talents on useless talents for raids.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=000000000000

[JonnyK]

for when the the patch comes out, use this.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=000000000000

til then it's this :
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=000000000000