Mark of Norgannon's Power in 3.1?

[Sinister Knight]

http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=40531#comments:id=670412

Just wondering how much more powerful this item will become given the 2 Roll system, importance of Expertise, and the boost to Haste for Melee.

69 passive Expertise (not finding a lot of pieces with exp in Ulduar so far, so may be good for getting to cap faster)
491 Haste for 20 sec (2 min CD). Mini Heroism can't hurt, and haste would help GCD for Exorcisms/Consecrate casts as well as normal benefits.

[Horn]

Its definately going to be an option. The passive expertise is a large factor in its usefulness, though i don't know about haste scaling- I know it will be better but Im not sure to what extent. To date ive passed on it to benefit our two warrior tank's threat sets, time will tell if that was a bad call.

[kailtas]

heroism/BL + trinket + haste pot + passive haste + 23% from buffs.

for a 3.40 wep that is.

40% + 14.9% + 15.25% + ca 10% passive (gear) + 20% + 3%

= one hit per 1.02 sec ^^

this got nothing to do with topic but i just tought it wud be funny to calculate it

with avenging wrath thats insane melee + seal damage for like 20 sec

[Sinister Knight]

KK will keep my eye out for it then next time it drops off Maly. Have had no luck so far on Fury, running Greatness and Mirror still. On the plus side I finally got a tanking trinket for offset and finished getting my Epic Achievement. Heh.

[iktankniet]

ive been thinking about this also. but we only had 1 or 2 drops of the trinket. and it wasnt worth it back then :-\

[greatrichie]

Haste still isn't that great of a stat. It's better than it was, but still not something to go seeking just because it's haste. An AP proc trinket would be better still. Unless you actually needed the expertise (which if you need it is great, but you should be able to hit cap or damn close without getting it from a trinket), I don't see it being that great.

[iktankniet]

i agree on that part. i havent seen alot expertise gear which is why i thought of this trinket. the haste is a nice extra

[Offhand]

I don't think Mark of Norgannon was ever a bad choice for a ret paladin, I do believe that there are better options.

DC: Greatness appears to still be the most fantastic trinket in 3.1. I have yet to see another trinket that good. Whether or not it will replace Fury of the Five Flights is another issue.

[iktankniet]

some1 has to crunch numbers to see if the expertise is better then an extra 320ap.

[ewhenn]

Doesn't look that great to be honest.

[Kairu]

Doesn't look that great to be honest.

With the changes to haste, and the fact that seal of blood is now hella nice seal damage, compared to judgement, its nothing to sneeze at, though, there are better out there you can get.

[Hirork]

heroism/BL + trinket + haste pot + passive haste + 23% from buffs.

for a 3.40 wep that is.

40% + 14.9% + 15.25% + ca 10% passive (gear) + 20% + 3%

= one hit per 1.02 sec ^^

this got nothing to do with topic but i just tought it wud be funny to calculate it

with avenging wrath thats insane melee + seal damage for like 20 sec

GCD cannot be under 1 second

[Kairu]

GCD cannot be under 1 second

Swing speed + GCD aren't related, besides, 1.02 > 1

[Astray]

heroism/BL + trinket + haste pot + passive haste + 23% from buffs.

for a 3.40 wep that is.

40% + 14.9% + 15.25% + ca 10% passive (gear) + 20% + 3%

= one hit per 1.02 sec ^^

this got nothing to do with topic but i just tought it wud be funny to calculate it

with avenging wrath thats insane melee + seal damage for like 20 sec

You are making one mistake.
100% haste means a 3.4 weapons strikes every 1.7 seconds.

[greatrichie]

You are making one mistake.
100% haste means a 3.4 weapons strikes every 1.7 seconds.

^^this. 100% haste just brings your swing speed down to 1/2 of what it is without any haste.