Glyph of disease ?

[ulyssesric]

My alt just learned glyph of disease, and happily made one for my DK.
I'm now Blood 51/0/20, and the IT-PS-HS-HS-DS-DS-HS-HS-HS-HS rotation worked for me.
After I took the glyph and tried with dummy, I found that I screwed the rotation.

I begin the rotation with:

IT - PS - HS - HS - DS
DS - HS - HS - HS - Pe(with Death-Rune)

and then:

HS - HS - HS - HS - DS
DS - HS - HS - HS - Pe
HS - HS - HS - HS - DS
DS - HS - HS - HS - Pe
...

After some test, I found that the timing of Pestilence is very critical, and I have difficult keeping disease up with this rotation.

Did I missed something ? Or this glyph is not designed for single target, but for AoE ?

Any suggestion is appreciated.

[doobus]

Moreso tanking/aoe i think

[Darkimpact]

GoD is both amazing and very confusing. It is a complete waste if you can't keep track of your surroundings while watching your diseases/rune CDs/GCD all at once. basically you need to master knowing whether or not your going to make it to the next blood/death rune to refresh otherwise you bone yourself... otherwise it is godly! I was pulling 6.5k on General Vezax while I could keep up with all the timers and use things properly. One f*ck up though and my DPS dropped to 4.3k. Basically use it if you can keep track of everything at once, otherwise ditch it for something you will actually use.

[ulyssesric]

GoD is both amazing and very confusing.  It is a complete waste if you can't keep track of your surroundings while watching your diseases/rune CDs/GCD all at once.  basically you need to master knowing whether or not your going to make it to the next blood/death rune to refresh otherwise you bone yourself... otherwise it is godly!  I was pulling 6.5k on General Vezax while I could keep up with all the timers and use things properly.  One f*ck up though and my DPS dropped to 4.3k.  Basically use it if you can keep track of everything at once, otherwise ditch it for something you will actually use.

I'm not sure if I mistake your words; you're telling me that there is no consist rotation for GoD, and I've to track all situations and determine whether to replace next HS with Pestilence. Sounds like it's not too attractive.

Anyway I'd tend to keep it. It'd easier to AoE with this Glyph. Besides, I've no idea what other glyph I should use as Blood DPS (the other two are Glyph of Dark Death and Glyph of Death Strike.)

[evoke]

I use this glyphe since 3.1 release and don't want to miss it.


I use it with 51/0/20 and it works quite fine:


IT, PS, HS, HS, DS, DS, Pe and than continueously use:
HS, HS, DS, HS, HS, DS, Pe

[Vangor]

If you're 51 Blood you (should) have DRW, in which case the Glyph of DRW is an effective choice.

GoD simply has significant timing issues which gravely hinder usage outside of training dummies. You need 2/2 Epidemic, minimal lag, and soft expertise (and hit, obviously) cap to make this potentially function, and you cannot make use of 2-second rune buffers (unless this time is made up elsewhere before Pestilence) to expend runic power and must skip attacks if stuck out of range momentarily.

If you can make perfect use inside of combat, you're trading an IT/PS for a HS (Pestilence takes the place of the other HS) every 20 seconds as well as the five seconds on DRW (or any other glyph you may use). You'll come out above in theory, but in practice the gain won't be significant enough to counteract wasted Death Coils (you'll gain 59 or 69 Runic Power per half rotation with only time to expend 1 Death Coil each half rotation) or the potentially lost attacks due to mob movement.

evoke, your rotations are awkward since you're either using too many runes, too few runes, or a lopsided amount so too many or too few depending on which stage of the rotation.

[Nyanmaru]

IT PS DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS Pest - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS HS HS Pest HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS HS Pest HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS Pest HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS Pest
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS Pest HS
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
HS Pest DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
Pest HS DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS Pest - 2 Pests

I think you get the drift, just Pest 1 HS earlier each rotation and you haven't got the problem that you only got a 1s timeframe to refresh diseases. The number of HS + DS + Pest is nearly the same, you lose 1 HS every 8th rotation, but gain 100% disease uptime.

[jaybyrd76]

IT PS DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS Pest - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS HS HS Pest HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS HS Pest HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS HS
DS Pest HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS HS Pest
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
HS HS DS Pest HS
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
HS Pest DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS HS - 1 Pest
Pest HS DS HS HS
DS HS HS HS Pest - 2 Pests

I think you get the drift, just Pest 1 HS earlier each.....

if you use it some much, can you tell me if when you use pest does it reapply any buff/debuffs that might be associated with the diseases like chillblain or IIT?

[Talamare]

if you use it some much, can you tell me if when you use pest does it reapply any buff/debuffs that might be associated with the diseases like chillblain or IIT?

It doesnt, making GoD suck for Frost

Also, Glyph of Scourge Strike is what unholy uses

[dahighpriest]

Glyph Of SS is useless IMO. Your rotation should be:

IT, PS, SS, BS, BS. Wait for Gargoyle RP.
IT, PS, SS, SS. Rip gargoyle and use arcane torrent/horn of winter after unholy blight.

Your SS shouldn't have to have a percent chance to put these 2 diseases up, because your always casting them.

I'd go with Dark Death, Plague Strike, and Glyph of the Ghoul.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9855 That's the specc I'm using.

[Albert the fish]

ps-it-bs-bs-ss-
ss-ss-ss rotation has and always will do more dmg then what you just posted high

especially cause after that you ss-ss-ss
then ss-ss-ss

over and over until diseases manage to fall off

[Talamare]

Glyph Of SS is useless IMO. Your rotation should be:

IT, PS, SS, BS, BS. Wait for Gargoyle RP.
IT, PS, SS, SS. Rip gargoyle and use arcane torrent/horn of winter after unholy blight.

Your SS shouldn't have to have a percent chance to put these 2 diseases up, because your always casting them.

I'd go with Dark Death, Plague Strike, and Glyph of the Ghoul.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9855 That's the specc I'm using.

Or... you can cast diseases once at the start of the fight and never, ever again

[dahighpriest]

Ah, I see. Thank you. I might just try that, maybe I'll pop over 6.3k this time XD. I'll have to replace plague strike glyph, too then.

What's the specc your currently using, Albert?

[Raptorg]

I usually refresh diseases with pestilence when about 4-5 seconds are left.. Perhaps not the most effective approach.. But that's what works for me, and I always end up with nice DPS numbers, ranging from 3.5k-4k.
Part of the reason I refresh them so early is lag.. Sometimes my diseases may fall of early, due to misinformation which has to do with lag.. When that happens, my rotation is completely fucked.. Rather safe then sorry, imo.

And my gear isn't that good, and I'm still not used to DRW, so I'm missing a lot of potential dps there as well.
Been a frost tank for ages, so I still have to learn to get a 100% good use out of my blood rotation.

[Albert the fish]

Ah, I see. Thank you. I might just try that, maybe I'll pop over 6.3k this time XD. I'll have to replace plague strike glyph, too then.

What's the specc your currently using, Albert?

look up 0/10/61

currently the best unholy dps spec

but personally i use a deep frost spec to dps. i just know how to unholy dps..and frost dps..and blood dps, and frost tank and blood tank and unholy tank.....


i've been playing and experimenting with dk for quite a while now

[Tangier]

I have both a tank and DPS unholy spec.

I found that Disease works best while Tanking and SS for DPS.

For DPS, Glyph of SS works best for DPS cause you SS more often while maintaining your disease.

However, when AoE tanking DPS isn't your main issue. Threat is. Applying disease on multiple targets helps keep AoE Threat. With Disease, all your disease are refreshed and applied to all adds. Giving me more control on keeping disease up on all targets.

When I ran a Blood DPS spec, I found Disease useful too... 50/0/21 spec.
DSx2 HSx6 (and replace 1 HS with a pestilence when needed) and did pretty well. Save the other DK in my guild started running as a 51/0/20, so I switch to Unholy.

[archform]

i like it im not 80 but im lvling with it and its nice for fights longer then 1 rotation

[dahighpriest]

look up 0/10/61

currently the best unholy dps spec

but personally i use a deep frost spec to dps. i just know how to unholy dps..and frost dps..and blood dps, and frost tank and blood tank and unholy tank.....


i've been playing and experimenting with dk for quite a while now

I was DW FRost pre patch, and it owned, really badly. With the recent nerfs to rime, and many other talents (black Ice etc..), it became unattractive. Plus with all the new nice 2h in Ulduar, 2h is looking better than ever.

[Albert the fish]

dw unholy is the only truly viable dw spec at the moment

all 2h specs are comparable. unholy is best frost is worst, but the span is minor at best

[FireBorne]

i tried glyph and disease and lost dps. pestilence does no dmg and you ill lose alot of dmg from not using it/ps. as blood i glyphed drw,dark death, and ds and my dps or rotation doesnt suffer at all. my dual spec is unholy and i glyphed ss, ghoul, and dnd i may replace ghoul with unholy blight glyph after i learn it(costs too much on the ah). I'm more than sure i will be flamed and what not but this works very well for me i think god is more of a pvp glyph than pve.