guild advice

[Nangz]

ok,

first off my guild has cleared naxx 10,25 mally 10 and are 8 bosses into ulduar 10 man

we have a few issues that are causing strife in our guild

loot:

the only main problem is in 25 mans aka we argue over loot the main reason is we have people who bring different alts most days to gear them and some people who still need loot for their main find it unfair that they don't get preference

is there anyway anyone would suggest?


2nd

progression

we are progressiong well into ulduar but we have plenty of raiders but the best of those raiders are usually split into 2 raids for ulduar 10 just so everyone can run (the ppl that are split are usually tanks that go into one and instead they can't use their main spec for the main ulduar run)

my opinion is to have 1 main raid and then we progress furthere and then bring even more tanks so we can do 2-10 man ulduar raids


any better advice?


i'm just at a loss and we usually 1 shot 25 naxx but when we have loot arguements we run out of time that night.....

[Zodak]

Start using a DKP system. Problem solved

[Nangz]

Start using a DKP system. Problem solved

i meant to say that we don't want to because we wanted to use something simpler

we use even in 25 mans 1 need 1greed 1 teir

[Separate]

You really need to put your foot down and tell them they need to decide what character they are going to play. Form a core 10 man group with the exception of 2 or 3 people as the backup for healers or tanks. Give them a core raider title and they have priority over initiates/members/raiders. But the main thing is them deciding what they want to play. Ulduar itself isnt going to care who you give loot to but if theres 5 different tanks and 3 are alts and your splitting the gear with them you are gimping your tanks for progression, same goes for healers. I cant stress enough to create a core 10 man group. Giving alts gear is a waste in my opinion.

[Pheonixis]

Mains over alts for gear. Problem solved.

[Nangz]

well what i mean about our comp is this

1 pally healer
1 dk tank
1 pally tank
1 druid healer
1 druid healer/tank (will do what we need heals for the main group tanks for the other)
5 other dps

and when we have a tank who can heal or tank and we need one for the other group than we have problems trying to get 1 groups in at once

[Nangz]

Mains over alts for gear. Problem solved.

lol and what i forgot was we are trying to institute this rule but here is teh arguement we hear a few times

"well i have 3 alts and i like them all and i want to gear them all but don't think it's fair that i don't get equal oportunity for loot even though i came and am putting forth my effort and participation."

[Pheonixis]

"Because in the future you can't bring 3 different alts together with your main to Ulduar and beyond. That is why everyone has a main which will get priority on gear, because that main is the same character that will help us progress in future raids and has to be top-geared, whereas a well-geared alt won't help the guild to kill new bosses."

Or just have them realize that almost every guild in existance goes by one main which you raid with, which gets items and raid spots.

[Nangz]

"Because in the future you can't bring 3 different alts together with your main to Ulduar and beyond. That is why everyone has a main which will get priority on gear, because that main is the same character that will help us progress in future raids and has to be top-geared, whereas a well-geared alt won't help the guild to kill new bosses."

Or just have them realize that almost every guild in existance goes by one main which you raid with, which gets items and raid spots.

i agree entirly problem is i don't think that naxx 25 qualifies as high end raiding.. lol

in ulduar we don't have the alt problem its just a problem of lack of progression because we have so many people that want to go yet not enough experienced in order to lead 2 succesful groups

of our 5 possible guild tanks 3 of them generally heal most of the time and are in the main group and pugging tanks is worse then healers or dps in our experience

[procne]

gearing all alts = jack of all trades, master of none

[Pheonixis]

i agree entirly problem is i don't think that naxx 25 qualifies as high end raiding.. lol

in ulduar we don't have the alt problem its just a problem of lack of progression because we have so many people that want to go yet not enough experienced in order to lead 2 succesful groups

of our 5 possible guild tanks 3 of them generally heal most of the time and are in the main group and pugging tanks is worse then healers or dps in our experience

It qualifies as gearing up and preparing for high-end raiding.

Also, if you can't get enough tanks/healers you really need to reqruit. You don't really need that many people anyway, so long as they're active.

[DaShaman]

Mains over alts for gear. Problem solved.

I agree, our guild works this way and there is never loot drama.