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[Kisko]

I'd toss armor chants on your gloves and cloak, and titanium plating on your shield. Your stamina is more then enough for normals and prolly hard modes, so a few 18 stams/22 agility isn't much vs 500 armorish and some BV imo, even with the redundant 50% disarm reduction from PoJ. Don't worry about the rep ring, the uptime is garbage really. I don't even use it for MS.

Mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...aran&cn=Alshar

Thanks for advices.
I plan to change agi cloak enchant to armor one.
I doubt I will trade sta for armor on gloves, and definitely not going to waste 18 sta for 80 BV on shield. What's 80 BV is good for in ICC with today's overheals?

Couple comments on yours if you don't mind.

Meta: sta/armor beats defense/bv.
Benediction is not a tanking talent.
DS/DG cooldown is infinitely more useful than Reckoning or SoComm.

[madmessias]

Heh, you have the same pose as me. I guess I'll need to fix my UNORIGINALITY.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Prilosec

Also, yeah. The whole mana sponge thing doesn't exist anymore. Hasn't since Wrath started, especially Ulduar, when bosses started hitting for 1/3rd of your entire health pool.

9/10, top enchants and good gear


http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...&cn=Madmessias

[Alshar]

Thanks for advices.
I plan to change agi cloak enchant to armor one.
I doubt I will trade sta for armor on gloves, and definitely not going to waste 18 sta for 80 BV on shield. What's 80 BV is good for in ICC with today's overheals?

Couple comments on yours if you don't mind.

Meta: sta/armor beats defense/bv.
Benediction is not a tanking talent.
DS/DG cooldown is infinitely more useful than Reckoning or SoComm.

I dunno, I think we're just gonna have to disagree. I think once your HP gets to a certain point, avoidance and mitigation start to trump it. That number is different every tier, but I think I've reached it for ICC 25 normal. Therefore I chose to go with chants and meta's in the other direction. The BV from the meta, and the SoComm are awesome for trash tanking. Since SotR and HotR proc SoComm, it's a retarded and OP form of AoE threat, and it's spike threat even, something we lack. Gotta do something when that feral pops berserk and hits swipe on 10 mobs! I take Benediction because 2/2 Imp Judgments is just bad, and messes up the 969 Rotation. I don't ever cast BoM since I'm prot, and all my stuff is insta cast. So at least I get some use out of Benediction, as opposed to the other choices to get further down the tree. Lastly, as for ol' bubsac....it's been gutted. To the point that Ret's grabbing Aura Mastery is so much more OP. Most everything thats a big boom in the game is some school of magic, so 250 resist its most def stronger then 20% DR for the most part. I take Reckoning because its more TPS then Conviction point for point since 3.3.

[Deleted]

Jesus Christ, I have to do this again?
2/2 Imp. Judgements does not mess up your rotation, in fact if you're lagging it makes it better.
Also, just because rets take Aura Mastery doesn't mean you shouldn't take divine sac. At least they have a reason to be in the holy tree in the first place.

[Alshar]

Jesus Christ, I have to do this again?
2/2 Imp. Judgements does not mess up your rotation, in fact if you're lagging it makes it better.
Also, just because rets take Aura Mastery doesn't mean you shouldn't take divine sac. At least they have a reason to be in the holy tree in the first place.

Well your name ISN'T Theck, and thats the guy who runs Maintankadin and does all the spreadsheets TPS analysis. He's says 1/2 is better then 2/2, then guess what. 1/2 is better then 2/2.

• 2/2 Imp Judge is OK for trash, doesn't help for bosses <-----from Maintankadin
Gloves: Glove Reinforcements is more EH than Heavy Borean Armor Kit (but doesn't work vs magic). Armsman for your threat-set gloves, if you have them. <-----From Maintankadin as well.

I'm just saying some random guy on MMO vs the guy who is running the sims, I'll go with the guy running the sims. Also, if you wanna look yourselves: http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...wtopic#p521490 and http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...rb_v=viewtopic

[Deleted]

You forgot the later part of that quote. "Still, it's a useful point, and we're having trouble finding any."
What he's trying to say is Benediction is absolutely lol.
And if you're going to link to a specific post of the TPS analysis thread which I've seen many times, at least check that it's relevant, he never mentions Imp. Judgement.

As for the glove part, I don't know where you got that from really. When did I mention glove enchants?

Also, even more importantly knaughty says in the same post that you quoted "IMO: Just grab 2/2 Imp Judge, and stick the last 3 points any damn place, it doesn't matter. I use HotC for the 10-man utility."

[Maereax]

Ok, I'll bite.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...dar&cn=Maereax

I don't raid other then the occasional guild raid and whatever pugs i can find. I didnt see a pally above me that needs to be rated.

[Deleted]

Ok, I'll bite.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...dar&cn=Maereax

I don't raid other then the occasional guild raid and whatever pugs i can find. I didnt see a pally above me that needs to be rated.

I do believe there's an emblem neck somewhere.
That socket in your shoulders just isn't worth it, go agi/stam. Although preferably in a place with a better bonus. Like stam. Mmmm, stam.
Neither is the enchant, get the PvP one.
Chest, shield and gloves should be switched for something a bit more healthier.
Quel'serrar just is not a good weapon.
You don't need that extra Spiritual Attunement point, put it in Crusade.
You should definitely get Glyph of SoV instead of Judgement, yes I've seen your expertise.
Also, since you don't do "serious raiding" I'd recommend dropping Conviction for Seal of Command. Excellent for AoE pulls that die quickly.

[Kisko]

I think once your HP gets to a certain point, avoidance and mitigation start to trump it.

Uhm, did Theck said that or something? Because I don't remember a single respected guide with a statement that after a certain point of stamina you should gem mitigation.
You can check how top-level tanks gem and you WONT find BV meta on them, believe me. And they are well past 50k unbuffed.
This one is good enough?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Blood+Legion

Since SotR and HotR proc SoComm, it's a retarded and OP form of AoE threat, and it's spike threat even, something we lack.

Yeah, trash tanking, who cares. Any pally can solo-tank packs regardless of meta or seal. I'm not gonna waste a talent point here.

I take Benediction because 2/2 Imp Judgments is just bad, and messes up the 969 Rotation.

It doesn't messes up anything and actually can be even useful sometimes, for example Saurfang where you don't use full rotation. On the other hand point at Benedection have zero use.

Lastly, as for ol' bubsac....it's been gutted.

Gutted? 20% DR for whole raid for 6 seconds is better than miserable TPS increase from Reckoning no one would ever notice? Yeah ... right.

To the point that Ret's grabbing Aura Mastery is so much more OP.

Explain how's Ret grabbing AM have anything to do with tank having extra CD for raid.

Most everything thats a big boom in the game is some school of magic, so 250 resist its most def stronger then 20% DR for the most part.

Big boom is like what? 10000 raid-wide? And 20% is a 2000 less damage taken. So, 250 > 2000? Yeah ... right.

I take Reckoning because its more TPS then Conviction point for point since 3.3.

Sigh.
Bro. They are in different trees anyway. Drop Reckoning for DS. Armory Absalom spec if you don't believe me.

[Maereax]

I do believe there's an emblem neck somewhere.
That socket in your shoulders just isn't worth it, go agi/stam. Although preferably in a place with a better bonus. Like stam. Mmmm, stam.
Neither is the enchant, get the PvP one.
Chest, shield and gloves should be switched for something a bit more healthier.
Quel'serrar just is not a good weapon.
You don't need that extra Spiritual Attunement point, put it in Crusade.
You should definitely get Glyph of SoV instead of Judgement, yes I've seen your expertise.
Also, since you don't do "serious raiding" I'd recommend dropping Conviction for Seal of Command. Excellent for AoE pulls that die quickly.

Sholder socket is for meta requirement
chest shield and gloves what? T9P4 bonus is sick and my helm is better then the teir bonus >also, that shield is totally sick, what would i change it out for..?<
Quel'serrar is better then the heroic drops i can get atm
SA point is because i genererally have mana issues anywhere I go
SoV I was meaning to do and forgot about it.
Again, Mana issues cause me to either use SoWisdom on trash or SoV on bosses.

[Deleted]

Sholder socket is for meta requirement

Which is why you should gem agi/stam, it fills the requirement.

chest shield and gloves what? T9P4 bonus is sick and my helm is better then the teir bonus >also, that shield is totally sick, what would i change it out for..?<

Sorry, meant enchants.

SA point is because i genererally have mana issues anywhere I go

Pull more mobs and never ever ever let DP fall of and you should be in the clear.

[Maereax]

Which is why you should gem agi/stam, it fills the requirement.


Sorry, meant enchants.
Pull more mobs and never ever ever let DP fall of and you should be in the clear.

I always pull chain mobs even if it takes more work then just pulling one and still my mana sucks... I'd say I have a 95% uptime on DP and still have major mana issues (totally oom most of the trash fights unless using wisdom seal) Which enchants did you mean for chest/gloves/shield?

[Deleted]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47900
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38376
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34009

And if you're going oom even though you're pulling a lot of mobs, I have but one tip: Skip consecration. Although this of course depends on how many "a lot of mobs" are.

[Aedh]

Well your name ISN'T Theck, and thats the guy who runs Maintankadin and does all the spreadsheets TPS analysis. He's says 1/2 is better then 2/2, then guess what. 1/2 is better then 2/2.

• 2/2 Imp Judge is OK for trash, doesn't help for bosses <-----from Maintankadin
Gloves: Glove Reinforcements is more EH than Heavy Borean Armor Kit (but doesn't work vs magic). Armsman for your threat-set gloves, if you have them. <-----From Maintankadin as well.

I'm just saying some random guy on MMO vs the guy who is running the sims, I'll go with the guy running the sims. Also, if you wanna look yourselves: http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...wtopic#p521490 and http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...rb_v=viewtopic

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...=Theck&group=1

Look at his spec.

2/2 imp judge.

Learn to stay updated.



@ the dude saying to get titanium plating....../facepalm. TI plating is a threat enchant.

[mmjau]

Not raiding, only doing heroics and VoA atm so pls have that in mind
I won T10 legs in voa (so using them instead of buying Pillars Of Might) and farming for the black heart...
I already rated someone some pages ago but didn't get rated back so here goes again ;o

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...onmaw&n=angora

[Aedh]

Not raiding, only doing heroics and VoA atm so pls have that in mind
I won T10 legs in voa (so using them instead of buying Pillars Of Might) and farming for the black heart...
I already rated someone some pages ago but didn't get rated back so here goes again ;o

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...onmaw&n=angora

change the +stam gem in your shoulders to agil/stam. You will activate your meta and get a socket bonus.
Change the agil/stam in your wrists to stam. If you aren't going to match a socket color then go pure stam.
You are no where near the hard cap on expertise. Get the SoV glyph. I would suggest swapping out the HotR glyph.
Change the armsman to stam or armor. The parry you gain is pitiful and the bonus to threat is on sustained threat, which pallies already kick ass at. The SoV glyph and/or a slow dps one hander will boost your threat more. The bonus expertise will also improve your snap threat.
Change your should enchant to the pvp stam enchant. 10k honor is laughably easy to get.


And level your professions.
I have among the worst tanking professions possible, but they provide me with more benefit than JC of 1 and mining of 14. You will pick up a good chunk of stam int the process.

[iglocska]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...=Theck&group=1

Look at his spec.

2/2 imp judge.

Learn to stay updated.



@ the dude saying to get titanium plating....../facepalm. TI plating is a threat enchant.

About imp judge: the option you have instead of it is absolutely useless (-2% mana cost on instants?...) and it is useful to have 2/2 for saurfang and kiting oooooooozes on Rotface.

[Aedh]

About imp judge: the option you have instead of it is absolutely useless (-2% mana cost on instants?...) and it is useful to have 2/2 for saurfang and kiting oooooooozes on Rotface.

BUT I ALWAIZ GOES OOMZ WIN TANXIN I NEEDZ THE MANA REDUCSHUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeenoo]

Could someone take a look at my character? Pretty please...

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rom&cn=Thalund

[Aedh]

Ditch the parry/stam gem for an agil/stam gem. Parry is not sexy. It hits diminishing returns faster and harder than dodge. Paladin's have one of the best agility to dodge conversions, and agility provides armor and crit.

Get rid of armsman. If you need more threat you are doing something in your rotation wrong. If you still need more threat get a slow dps weapon, 1 drops in H PoS off the Godfather, another is in the chest after running from Arthas in H HoR.