Still best to stack stamina?

[Bleaktusk]

Hello guys,

Post 3.3 my gear was "ok" i had 27k health and had a hard time getting heroic groups on my server due to "lolol need 30k for heroics". But since 3.3 was released i've slowly got my gear together and am sitting at 35.2k at the mo. The thing is... i've got 30 stamina gems in anything i can (mostly) and was wondering if it is still best to be stacking stamina. Myself personally have no problem with more avoidance and don't really care about losing a few thousand health to help me mitagate more over all, but is it worth it?

This is my warrior:

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&n=Zoomorphism

Any comments would be great.

Zoo

[Deleted]

To give You some general advise, try to ged rid of some hit and replace it with some expertise. You are already near the hitcap but very low on expertise. The ring from TotC heroic has no defense on it, but has some expertise and a blue socket, so if you replace your Earthshaker inrg with it, it will boost your threat and your Health a bit.

Also the tanking sword of TotC heroic has some expertise and the same dps as yours, so i would recommend farming TotC heroic + non heroic because the trinket from non hero would give you a nice chunk of stamina and the armor proc is also very nice.

The last point is, you should replace one of your conquest T9 items with the badge items, because you dont need 5 T9 for the set bonus and the non set badge items are higher item level, so replace whatever T9 piece you feel getting more out of a non set.

Here is my a link to my Warrior, i know my Gear is far better than yours even, if its a bit outdatet but it should give you an overwiew of what stats to aim. I try to avoid wasting socket bonuses, because as a warrior you can always fit in a gem without losing to much. On lower gear levels it doesnt matter if u have like 33 oder 36k health. Try using dodge/parry/expertise + stamina for red gemslots, defense/hit + stamina in yellow, pure stamina in blues.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ock&n=Kharrath

[Bleaktusk]

To give You some general advise, try to ged rid of some hit and replace it with some expertise. You are already near the hitcap but very low on expertise. The ring from TotC heroic has no defense on it, but has some expertise and a blue socket, so if you replace your Earthshaker inrg with it, it will boost your threat and your Health a bit.

Also the tanking sword of TotC heroic has some expertise and the same dps as yours, so i would recommend farming TotC heroic + non heroic because the trinket from non hero would give you a nice chunk of stamina and the armor proc is also very nice.

The last point is, you should replace one of your conquest T9 items with the badge items, because you dont need 5 T9 for the set bonus and the non set badge items are higher item level, so replace whatever T9 piece you feel getting more out of a non set.

Here is my a link to my Warrior, i know my Gear is far better than yours even, if its a bit outdatet but it should give you an overwiew of what stats to aim. I try to avoid wasting socket bonuses, because as a warrior you can always fit in a gem without losing to much. On lower gear levels it doesnt matter if u have like 33 oder 36k health. Try using dodge/parry/expertise + stamina for red gemslots, defense/hit + stamina in yellow, pure stamina in blues.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ock&n=Kharrath

I actually bought the t9 head and shoulders without thinking.. i was at the vendor buying the rest and totally forgot about the ones in Dalaran, only after i enchanted and gemmed them that i noticed so they are next on my shopping list :P

Thanks for the tips on expertise, i totally got wound up in getting the healths to get bloody groups i forgot about things like that, and ill give the gems too!

[Pieterman]

if u ask me it was never the best to ignore everything but stamina.
you got 7% less avoidance then me, and 200 more health..thats a obvious choise isnt it?
also, whats your tps?

[Bleaktusk]

if u ask me it was never the best to ignore everything but stamina.
you got 7% less avoidance then me, and 200 more health..thats a obvious choise isnt it?
also, whats your tps?

The only reason i did such a thing was to get into groups. I don't know what its like on your sever but tanks on TN EU are required to have 30k HP to not be laughed out of the door of heorics, i still get sniffs at my 35k. I know i should be using more avoidance which is why i came here to get advice on which gems are best etc. TPS wise, i'm fine.. i don't know exact numbers but i dont raid so heroics is all i know and don't have any problems unless some DPS goes batshit balls to the wall asoon as im within charging range

[Deleted]

The only reason i did such a thing was to get into groups. I don't know what its like on your sever but tanks on TN EU are required to have 30k HP to not be laughed out of the door of heorics, i still get sniffs at my 35k. I know i should be using more avoidance which is why i came here to get advice on which gems are best etc. TPS wise, i'm fine.. i don't know exact numbers but i dont raid so heroics is all i know and don't have any problems unless some DPS goes batshit balls to the wall asoon as im within charging range

Forget what scrubs are telling you, if your threat is fine and your group gets through the instance you´re fine. I struggled in the first week of 3.3 in Halls of Reflection and my gear didnt change since then. So tell me if i am too bad to pull threat from everything that rnd scrubs in heroics attack and the full T9.5 shaman healer cant get me healed if i somehow manage to pull threat from EVERYTHING, does that make me a bad tank? Or do your 35k Health make you a less skilled tank?

I dont think so.

[Kayling]

Personally I stack straight stamina, but that's mostly because my avoidance is high enough with just the stats on the iLvl 232/245 gear (and it's my offspec). For some fights it's not optimal, but being able to take an extra hit sometimes helps too.

[XtreO]

As long as you're not in an ICC progression guild, there is no need for you to change the way you gear. If you need more hp for people to take you into their group, then go for it.

[Craigadiddle]

Yeah as long as you're pulling enough threat in heroics it should be fine
Warrior tanks in ICC are pulling up to 10K TPS atm, sometimes higher.

[Deleted]

Yeah as long as you're pulling enough threat in heroics it should be fine
Warrior tanks in ICC are pulling up to 10K TPS atm, sometimes higher.

Show me a log that proves this.

Or, that's me assuming you're talking about sustained TPS, not burst TPS.

[Idaho Immortal]

Expertise is underated in its importance. You should have at least 26 expertise. Bosses attack faster after they parry or dodge I believe. They already attack fast in Icecrown, keep that in mind.

In Icecrown Citadel, I'd say yes, stack stamina. It's my personal opinion that the 20% avoidance debuff is too much to overcome - so just go around it with a large health pool. I haven't seen supporting numbers, but really, I think Blizzard ruined avoidance.

[thegreatheed]

Expertise is underated in its importance. You should have at least 26 expertise. Bosses attack faster after they parry or dodge I believe.

Dude, seriously, don't give advice if you don't know what the crap you're talking about.

No bosses attack faster after a dodge. None. Zero.

Many bosses, especially the ones with "saber lash" type attacks that require multiple tanks to be in front to split damage, do not attack faster after a parry.

[XtreO]

Yeah as long as you're pulling enough threat in heroics it should be fine
Warrior tanks in ICC are pulling up to 10K TPS atm, sometimes higher.

And I thought my 8.x k TPS on Koralon was good

[Deleted]

And I thought my 8.x k TPS on Koralon was good

Generally, when I count TPS; I count personal TPS only. There's not much to be proud of to have ToTT active rogues or hunters, atleast not from my point of view. Sadly, that dissregards Vigilance aswell (most sites that measure TPS don't count these/have an option to not count them, anyway), but as I'm doing it purely by personal anyway, that doesn't nudge me.

Either way, you won't do 10k sustained personal TPS unless your DPS is at what, 4.5k?

[Idaho Immortal]

Dude, seriously, don't give advice if you don't know what the crap you're talking about.

No bosses attack faster after a dodge. None. Zero.

Many bosses, especially the ones with "saber lash" type attacks that require multiple tanks to be in front to split damage, do not attack faster after a parry.

I was just repeating why I learned its importance. I didn't remember exactly why. I think it was just parries. There's no reason to be an asshole just because I don't know the exact mechanic. And in Icecrown where bosses are already attacking fast, you don't necessarily have room for faster attacks. ToC gear is itemized well for it (and I might mention, some bosses DO attack faster).

[janfrederick]

Yeah as long as you're pulling enough threat in heroics it should be fine
Warrior tanks in ICC are pulling up to 10K TPS atm, sometimes higher.

Its easy to burst up way higher as a warrior tank. Even while they are stacking stamina.

[Davezznl]

I still stack stamina but i try to match the socket color. Once you got 26 exp + enough hit. Dodge + stamina or parry + stamina this way hp pool will also expand + my dodge and parry.

[Bulldozor]

Most people in this thread have no clue what they are talking about or how tanking mechanics work.

That is all.

[Harasou]

Bulldozer is correct with his statement.

[Jarheaded]

10k constant TPS?

Are you guys high?