Things to tank at 4500 gs?

[fluffypants]

no one saw the youtube films where they did icc10 in blue gear? you can easily tank icc10 with your gear the 20% makes up for ALLOT.

also icc10 was meant for totc 10/ totgc 10 gear, might want to go for that first.

[Xeraluin]

My DK has similar gear to the OP and he can easily tank the first 4 bosses. I'm sure a paladin can do it just as easily.

indeed i OS tanked icc first 4 with around that amount of hp, GS and that was with 5% buff

[Cjeska]

* wrong forum
* mentioning of your gearscore
* asking not to get flamed

Anyone else who sees the conflict here?
But seriously, don't you have the slightest idea where your gear originally dropped before you bought it at the vendor? Wouldn't that be a good indicator for where or what you can tank next?

[TheRealGas]

Surprised nobody has suggested this yet, look yourself up on wow-heroes.com. There is a bar that shows what raids you have the gear for (of course there is some wiggle room for skill [or lack thereof]). The site uses a different scale for GS so don't be alarmed when yours is 2-3k lower than your addon says.

[Myrsky]

Yeah, I have 4.5k GS as a Protection Warrior. Been asked to do ICC10 and ToC25 a few times. Wrath honestly really doesn't require much gear, more like strategy and skill. I found that when I started tanking Heroics in Blues/Greens with around 2.5k GS. Seriously, once you get defense capped, all you need to get is health for extra burst survival, IF there is any burst in the raid you're going to do (Lich King for example).

Protection Paladins often survive better than Protection Warriors due to Divinity (Increases all healing done by you and all healing effects on you by x%.) but other than that you should survive fine. I would trade 5% more effective heals for the Warrior playstyle anyday. Warriors are kickass.

[ItachiZaku]

[QUOTE=Organoth;8159612]

The only reservation I have going into ICC 10 with a 4600gs is holding threat against the OP DPS.

That is my only concern. If the tank has skill, I had no problems with him tanking.

[Twoflower]

The first 7 osses in ICC 10 have been killed by a raid in completely blue gear.

Go icc and anything below.

[Martinussen]

For ALL of you saying he shouldn't try it, and rather go ToC to get 5k gs+.
Step one: go to youtube, search for `` undergeared downs festergut´´
Step two: watch the videos they got and read describtions.
Step three: say im sorry that i was infected with the GS feber, im cured now.

just for the record.
Undergeared is a guild going icc to kill bosses with blue gear! so far 7/12. Sindra - LK - PP - BQ - and maybe Valithria, donnu if she is alive yet.
They only raid once a week without VT or TS.
only ingame communication

[Fornaw]

Really all that? When ppl were walking into ICC 10 with no 264 cloak and no 20%, soon to be 25%, buff. The only reservation I have going into ICC 10 with a 4600gs is holding threat against the OP DPS. DPS vs Threat scaling has already been addressed by Blizz and there is no fix until Cata. Stats got over inflated during WotLK and things like the ICC buff don't help. If, and I stress if, DPS could learn to do more then mass spam AoE and watch their meters on every pull things would be much simpler but we don't play in that kind of world. Lots of trash in ICC was designed to use CC or is itended to be burned down single target but no it's nothing but AoE every pull.

When ICC began most people who entered had farmed TotC quite a bit. Moreover nobody would expect you to get past the first 4 because the instance was gated. I don't like the concept of relying on the ICC buff, all it does is boost your stam, it has no effect on your mitigation. Again, I've seen evidence that it is certainly possible to down a number of ICC bosses with gear like the OPs, but moving into ICC when there are upgrades in heroics just seems wrong. Blizzard is kind enough to let you skip right from heroics to the final tier, you can at least get almost all of your heroic gear or perhaps run some TotC to ease the transition. Especially given that for the duration of the summer fire festival the number of badges per week from heroics has doubled it seems silly to tell the OP that he should look for a first 4 pug. What if his group wants to keep going after that? Will he be able to survive Festergut? Does he know how to tank Rotface?

For ALL of you saying he shouldn't try it, and rather go ToC to get 5k gs+.
Step one: go to youtube, search for `` undergeared downs festergut´´
Step two: watch the videos they got and read describtions.
Step three: say im sorry that i was infected with the GS feber, im cured now.

just for the record.
Undergeared is a guild going icc to kill bosses with blue gear! so far 7/12. Sindra - LK - PP - BQ - and maybe Valithria, donnu if she is alive yet.
They only raid once a week without VT or TS.
only ingame communication

Are you in this guild? I doubt it. I've looked over their info, I'm impressed by what they've done. Not every PuG is going to be able to match it, and if you pay attention they wipe, a lot, while progressing. No group should have to be subjected to a much higher wipe chance because you can't be asked to tank some heroics. Given that farming heroics takes 0 effort for a tank it's courtesy to at least get all that gear first.

Remember that one of the primary goals of Undergeared is to convince player's to stop using gear as an excuse for someone else to under-preform and for carrying said players. They know they're never going to reach the 900 DPS in triumph badge gear players, they're trying to reach the players that carry them to all those badges. This, I believe, is case of that scenario. You are trying to convince the OP that he need not put much effort into his own toon, which is exactly what Undergeared is trying to work against.

(http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/201...dergeared.html)

Edit: There are a lot of guilds out there with the name undergeared. This is the one which made Blue runs famous. Note that they haven't done anything in 25 and are only 7/12 in 10 man. I've never heard the no vent claim before, but that could be correct.

[Rä]

First problem is you know what your GS is. It's the biggest hindedrance the game has known in Wrath. Second problem is you came to this message board to get advice based on information that isn't actually helpful. Your gear doesn't matter much. Catanowplx pointed out the undergeared project. Prime example. You need to quantify your skill, not your gear. If you're a good player do icc 10 or 25. If you're a bad player do Uld or ToC. Gear is the end result of raiding, not the determinging factor on what raids to do.

[waddlez]

For ALL of you saying he shouldn't try it, and rather go ToC to get 5k gs+.
Step one: go to youtube, search for `` undergeared downs festergut´´
Step two: watch the videos they got and read describtions.
Step three: say im sorry that i was infected with the GS feber, im cured now.

just for the record.
Undergeared is a guild going icc to kill bosses with blue gear! so far 7/12. Sindra - LK - PP - BQ - and maybe Valithria, donnu if she is alive yet.
They only raid once a week without VT or TS.
only ingame communication

downing festergut normal is pretty far progression bro, especially with the 20% buff

[Nagu]

I have a 4.6k gearscore and I have 35k health unbuffed, to whoever said 30k is stacking stam. And you should run the ICC 5-mans for the pieces you need, then run 10/25 TOC and 10 VOA, not quite sure if you can tank 25 VOA (He does hit rather hard), and you'll need a bit more health before you can tank 10 ICC. Like maybe ~37k unbuffed.

[mercutiouk]

Elywnn sheep should pose no real issues

[Maggeddon]

Elywnn sheep should pose no real issues

And then move onto the murlocs

[KungenTCG]

You could tank the first wing of ICC no problem. Probably the second as well.

[Pelister]

Hi, please dont flame/troll me.
But I was wondering what raids should I try to go after at 4500 GS nearly 30k unbuffed and about 33k raidbuffed?
Thanks anyway

You serious?

My tank: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ther&cn=Hugmeh selfbuffed 30k (food and pally buff ), and dunno whats my gs ? 3.3k ? i can tank anything up to icc (normal modes ).

GoGo try stuff and ask questions later.

[Heywes]

4500 would cover, Ulduar HM, ToC, ToGC(10), ICC(10) first two wings. I tanked the first two wings on a 4800gs warrior. If you have good healers backing you it makes it more solid, but past that, you might want a little more gear. To tank the rest, 5k is probably the safe point.

Personaly GS doesn't show much, in my heal set i have a 4.8gs and the holy priest we pugged had a 5.1k. I out healed him dramatically. Might help im not geming for arp as a resto druid -_- (arp and a spell penetration gem in his legs, has skillz).

[Arachnan]

Are you in this guild? I doubt it.

All you need is people who know what the fuck to do.

Our alt pugs cleared 9/12 normal ICC the first week we tried it, most of us had a mix of blues and the easy epics (ICC5 HC and badgeloot)
I think both our tanks had somewhere between 4.2 and 4.5k GS. It's not just about the gear ya know.

20% buff says hello.

[Kouki]

Hi, please dont flame/troll me.
But I was wondering what raids should I try to go after at 4500 GS nearly 30k unbuffed and about 33k raidbuffed?
Thanks anyway

Ok first Gs does not prove skill.
Stats help gear helps but is not what will make or break a raid.

Go by the gs of wow-heroes.com they will even tell you what gems or enchants to go for depending on your spec when you look your character up.

Your gs you say is 4500 well by the scale i go by your the most geared player in all of wow.
You must have all heroic icc 25 loot and shadowmourne.

If you look up your character it will tell you where you should go to get better gear and how hard or easy mode it will be for you.

[dddmaster]

naxx , then ulduar , then toc , then read ej on how to play the game and then try icc