Shadow Changes build 12759

[Theed]

Edit*
Mastery,Shadow Apparition (shades of yourself effect), Shadoworbs (slightly updated effect?)

[Frmercury]

How is that going to make Mind Spike less attractive for PvE?

Very cool changes all around.

[Halicia]

Paralysis is the kind of 'fun talents' I was expecting to see a lot more of based on their original statement of concept.

Dont see much/any pve use for it, but I personally dont mind that.

After a moment's thought. Paralysis sounds more suited for a glyph.

[Ambivalent]

i'd be upset about paralysis if i didn't plan to make a worgen spriest =)

[Theed]

new Chakra effect with archangle up

[Frizer]

How is that going to make Mind Spike less attractive for PvE?

Very cool changes all around.

oO I don't know.... its even worse now ><

---------- Post added 2010-08-14 at 01:59 AM ----------

new Chakra effect with archangle up

WOW that effect is awesome T___T

[Theed]

update with mastery etc.

[Kaesebrezen]

Nice Additions for PvP, but as a PvE Shadowpriests there still is one cooky cutter spec.
They cut down PvE talents in points, but implement pure pvp talents in their place.
How exactly is that supposed to help a pve shadow priest?
Also silence is still out of reach thanks to improved inner fire in tier 2 disc.

[EFG]

I love Blizzard.

[Blackmorgrim]

Yeah, wow... as for a redesign with mind spike... they went from saying 'we don't want in in your rotation' to...well you're gonna try to add it in anyway... might as well give in...

The new twisted faith is interesting too... taking back the stance on passive hit, and allowing the talent to scale with spirit. Honestly... if you combined the new twisted faith... with glyph of shadow... spirit might actually begin to scale on par with spellpower.

Theed, if its possible to answer some questions...
What level is that priest?
What kind of in combat mana regen do you have at that level?
What's your mana pool looking like?
And what is the mana cost/damage range of mindflay and mindblast at that level?


Honestly, between the new twisted faith and mind spike... spriest gearing is going to be spirit/haste/mastery all the way. The buff of mindspike will definitely put a dent in crit scaling. You'll need the mana regen to afford casting mind spike in rotation.

The new shadow apparitions being unbound from mind blast is interesting. (seems they haven't added scaling for levels to it yet.)

And I am so loving paralysis.

Predictions:
Mind Spike is going to be nerfed.

[EFG]

Predictions:
Mind Spike is going to be nerfed.

Apply DoTs
Mind Spike x3
Mind Blast
Rinse Repeat.

[Frizer]

currently, I don't know how we gonna use MS and MF in the same rotation... MS is really, err, attractive now. Maybe they gave up in the old situational design?

[Kaesebrezen]

And what is the mana cost/damage range of mindflay and mindblast at that level?

Level 83 Priest Premade 3138 Spellpower Unbuffed (most tooltips are updated with spellpower), 41k Maxmana:
Mindblast - 3437 to 3520 for 1792 mana
Mindspike - 3515 to 3616 for 1792 mana
Mindflay - 1473 tick at 0 stacks Evanglism (it is a dot) for 948 mana

Mastery starts at 8 which gives the 20%, i currently have 6,4 mastery points which equals a 16% damage increase for each orb. So instead of 20% i get 36% per orb.
So from this you get 1 Point of mastery gives a 2,5% damage increase on Orbs.

[Neichus]

Not to derail this too far from Shadow, but just peaking at the Holy tree in that screenshot am I seeing it right that Desperate Prayer is a T2 talent? (As well as Spirit of Redemption and Lightwell being shuffled around and Imp Holy Nova either being removed or deeper in the tree where we can't see)

Edit: I'm also a little disappointed as Holy that Twisted Faith is T2. That means it's impossible to get it along with Archangel, which is odd.

[Imahealyuhh]

currently, I don't know how we gonna use MS and MF in the same rotation... MS is really, err, attractive now. Maybe they gave up in the old situational design?

Vampiric Touch
Devouring Plague
Mindspike x3
SWP
Mind Blast
Mindspike
Mindspike
Refresh Vampiric Touch
Mindspike
Mind Blast
Refresh Devouring Plague
Refresh SWP with Mind Flay
Rinse, repeat.

This is what I hope it looks like.

[Kaesebrezen]

Not to derail this too far from Shadow, but just peaking at the Holy tree in that screenshot am I seeing it right that Desperate Prayer is a T2 talent? (As well as Spirit of Redemption and Lightwell being shuffled around and Imp Holy Nova either being removed or deeper in the tree where we can't see)

Yep. The replacement is ridicolous overpowered, at least the tooltip. NYI the spell

Santuary - 5 min cooldown
You sanctify the ground, causing all allies to be healed for 537 to 633 every 2 sec and have all threat from enemies reduces by 90% for 15 sec.
enemies within the sanctuary who attack allied targets within the sanctuary will heal the targets for 5% of their maximum health instead of dealing damage.
Lasts 15 sec.

Also note:
- Evangelism has a chance to be applied on each flay tick
- Archangel and Evangelism do stack and you can stack Evangelism while Archangel is active.

[Theed]

look at this:


The dot damage is a joke compared to this.

[Neichus]

Santuary - 5 min cooldown
You sanctify the ground, causing all allies to be healed for 537 to 633 every 2 sec and have all threat from enemies reduces by 90% for 15 sec.
enemies within the sanctuary who attack allied targets within the sanctuary will heal the targets for 5% of their maximum health instead of dealing damage.
Lasts 15 sec.

Erm, wow; that's an insane ability for PvP and PvE. Isn't that what like...Holy Paladins have wanted Consecrate to do for forever?

[Deyus]

Vampiric Touch
Devouring Plague
Mindspike x3
SWP
Mind Blast
Mindspike
Mindspike
Refresh Vampiric Touch
Mindspike
Mind Blast
Refresh Devouring Plague
Refresh SWP with Mind Flay
Rinse, repeat.

This is what I hope it looks like.

Don't forget that Mind Flay stacks up the Evangelism / Archangel effect. I don't think it's clear cut which is the way to go, or if it's going to be reasonable to weave both Mind Spike and Flay into the rotation.

[Direshadow]

It seems we're becoming very powerful in terms of CC...


2 fears (2 of which are aoe and dispel mechanic based)

1 instant horror

1 Mind Control

1 Undead Shackle

and now the Paralysis effect, which can be triggered via a mind spike X3.

I sense nerfs inc.

---------- Post added 2010-08-14 at 05:03 AM ----------

How is that going to make Mind Spike less attractive for PvE?

Very cool changes all around.

Pretty sure Mind Spike causes a TON of threat. So you might be able to do amazing numbers with the spell, but for how long until the boss one shots you?

---------- Post added 2010-08-14 at 05:06 AM ----------

I'd also love to see a video of the updated apparition effects.

I always liked the OLD version better. Having a hovering version of yourself floating towards something might be a bit to much when many are proccing.