| Wikileaks | Judge orders Julian Assange extradition

[Catta]

thats quite exciting news... imo its funneh as he is basicly doing tha same as Liu Xiaobo - but this time its just bad >_>

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...10/3110066.htm

so with this move the US tries to get information about foreign nationals personal information... Why? I mean as they are not in the US they have no jurisdiction even if they find something... on their twitter account

---------- Post added 2011-02-05 at 05:47 PM ----------

just watched documentary about the guy who leaked the file containing info on how the vietnam war was all a big scam and the presidents were just trying to save their faces... Transparency was needed back then and made people open their eyes to this hoax, how is it any different now

[Collegeguy]

WikiLeaks nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Whistleblowing website WikiLeaks has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by a Norwegian politician.

Snorre Valen, a member of the Norwegian coalition government's Socialist Left Party, has nominated the website, saying it is a gauge of transparency in the world.

He says jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won the Nobel Peace Prize last year for his struggle for human rights, democracy and freedom of speech in China.

Mr Valen says those are the very same values WikiLeaks is committed to globally.

He says Wikileaks' recent accomplishment is the role it has played in the recent Tunisian revolution.

Wikileaks' Australian founder Julian Assange is currently on bail in Britain fighting extradition to Sweden, where he faces allegations of sexual assault.

Thu Feb 3, 2011 6:14am AEDT

Wikileaks is not a whistle blower

There is a big difference between whistleblower and leakage. A whistleblower sticks his head out and is a known resource to come forth with the information. Wiki leaks is information that has no legitimate source.

Wikileaks is no different than facebook and is as legitimate as such; a lot of the information on that website is undoubtedly true, but it is not a stretch to believe that someone would love to add things, in the future, that are not credible when the source is unknown.

I heard people love getting information when the source is anonymous.

[NineSpine]

Wikileaks is not a whistle blower

There is a big difference between whistleblower and leakage. A whistleblower sticks his head out and is a known resource to come forth with the information. Wiki leaks is information that has no legitimate source.

Wikileaks is no different than facebook and is as legitimate as such; a lot of the information on that website is undoubtedly true, but it is not a stretch to believe that someone would love to add things, in the future, that are not credible when the source is unknown.

I heard people love getting information when the source is anonymous.

This is simply divorced from reality. The most popular whistleblower in U.S. history was anonymous. He was called "Deepthroat".

Journalists publish information and documents from anonymous sources ALL THE TIME. It's standard practice.

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oh wow a wikileaks document, must be true then

The government has not stated that any Wikileaks documents are false.

[Xeones]

The wikileaks documents are true, which is what makes them illegal.

[Collegeguy]

This is simply divorced from reality. The most popular whistleblower in U.S. history was anonymous. He was called "Deepthroat".

Journalists publish information and documents from anonymous sources ALL THE TIME. It's standard practice.

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Deepthroat was known credible source from a known media source from a known newspaper source.

Wikileaks is a anonymous website where you don't necessarily know the players at large. It holds just as much water as wikipedia in realism.

Im sure the original information is true, but it would not be difficult to fabricate lies in the future with that infrastructure provided.

The government has not stated that any Wikileaks documents are false.

This just in, government needs to comment on everything including aliens on mars and 9/11 truthers.

[Thes]

Without transparency there can't be real freedom.

Who the fuck cares about legality? I bet US (government) has more "illegal", or more like morally wrong shit going on than Wikileaks as a whole (note how laws are all accepted by governments).

[NineSpine]

The wikileaks documents are true, which is what makes them illegal.

Cite the law you are talking about. I dare you.

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Deepthroat was known credible source from a known media source from a known newspaper source.

Deepthroat's identity was hidden for thirty years. The New York Times vets and publishes the majority of what Wikileaks releases. If the New York Times isn't a known newspaper source, what is?

Wikileaks is a anonymous website where you don't necessarily know the players at large. It holds just as much water as wikipedia in realism.

Anonymous sources are everyday practice in journalism. Without anonymous sources, journalism would essentially be a worthless endeavor.

Im sure the original information is true, but it would not be difficult to fabricate lies in the future with that infrastructure provided.

This just in, government needs to comment on everything including aliens on mars and 9/11 truthers.

If Wikileaks releases fabricated information, it opens them up to criminal prosecution, especially when it comes to things like diplomatic cables. It's not in their interest to do so. If Wikileaks was making up the story about Hillary Clinton ordering violations of treaties, for example, it would be imperative for the government to squash that, as it's diplomatic problem if it's true. It would simply be bad diplomacy to ignore it if you can prove it false. These aren't crazy conspiracy theories, and comparing them to such things is ignorant and an attempt to categorize Wikileaks as a fringe entity that you don't have to address seriously, without actually providing facts to show WHY they shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Catta]

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

[Deleted]

I can just say trust the americans to try and give the death penalty to a guy who made a website, not actually bothering to find the people who leaking the infomation.

Scapegoats are cool yo.

[Catta]

I can just say trust the americans to try and give the death penalty to a guy who made a website, not actually bothering to find the people who leaking the infomation.

Scapegoats are cool yo.

doing so will just create a martyr - but i think they are weighing the outcomes

[Fuzzzie]

I don't see why we're bumping this with no new information. If you have something to add that's on topic then post it.

[JustintimeSS]

IMHO they are prosecuting the wrong guy. Should there be secrets? Yes, to keep the masses from going nuts. Should a guy be sentenced to death because a bunch of people had their dirty laundry brought out? Meh.

[Deleted]

An update, Julian Assange has lost his battle against being extradited to Sweden.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12569462

I guess we'll see what happens now.

[Jalynfein]

He is wanted for rape here in Sweden and if he's got nothign to hide then why run from it? He said he would appear in court and then ran away otu of the country. I don't give a shit what happens to the man since in my eyes he seems mighty guilty. All these accusations about Sweden and America wanting him dead feels like a desperate way to stay out of prison. He knows he probably doesn't stand a chance to get off that rape charge here so he'd do anything to escape that.

[Mordaren]

He is wanted for rape here in Sweden and if he's got nothign to hide then why run from it? He said he would appear in court and then ran away otu of the country. I don't give a shit what happens to the man since in my eyes he seems mighty guilty. All these accusations about Sweden and America wanting him dead feels like a desperate way to stay out of prison. He knows he probably doesn't stand a chance to get off that rape charge here so he'd do anything to escape that.

Because they are looking for an excuse to extradite him to US cuz they want to know how he gets the information and/or who provide it to him.

[Mazinger-Z]

He is wanted for rape here in Sweden.

It's not rape. It's "sex without a condom." The sex was consensual. The condom was used, but it broke. He claims accident. She claims malicious intent. My god, man.

[cccp]

America is a "democratic" (for the Americans only) state they don't do such things there...

[Tharosh]

Releasing critical military, industrial and infrastructure locations the US deems worthy of special protection is reporting a horrible crime?

Releasing hundreds of thousands of military reports is reporting a horrible crime? Have you read any of them? 99.999% of them have NOTHING that could even be considered a "horrible crime". They are mission reports. "Such n such unit went to such n such place and did such n such."

Releasing diplomatic cables, 99.999% of which have NOTHING that could even be considered a horrible crime?


This man is not a hero, not a journalist. I support whistleblowers, and I would support him if he was one, but he isn't. If he had released the .00001% of documents that actually demonstrated some source of corruption or "horrible crime", he would have my support. But he didn't. He released everything.

This man is trying to make a name for himself, and he's trying to embarrass the US; and he's wildy succeeded at both. But anything he *might* have exposed, he completely invalidated by releasing 99.999% of what he released. He's more corrupt than the people he calls corrupt.

This......

[lukkystrike]

He is wanted for rape here in Sweden and if he's got nothign to hide then why run from it? He said he would appear in court and then ran away otu of the country. I don't give a shit what happens to the man since in my eyes he seems mighty guilty. All these accusations about Sweden and America wanting him dead feels like a desperate way to stay out of prison. He knows he probably doesn't stand a chance to get off that rape charge here so he'd do anything to escape that.

He is not accused of rape, it is sexual assault.

[Elite Peon]

Im an American and if Assange is extradited to the US and charged with spying and given the possability of the Death penalty or even Prison time I have never in my life protested my Government but this will defiantly get me out there ..Wikileaks is the best thing that has ever happened to Government accountability . The US government thinks it can do whatever it wants and for anyone not in the US believe me when I tell you most Americans dont know all the bad stuff the US government does because there is a HUGE media blackout when it comes to reporting the bad things the US Government does over seas ....

and no 99% of Americans dont look at BBC or Al Jazeera etc etc ..they watch local news on tv or read the local news papers ...at best they watch FOX news and we all know how much unbiased information your going to get from that crap...most Americans are more interested in last nights lottery numbers or the weather then they are in hearing that the US bombed a suspected terrorist village and killed 50 innocent people .