Feral Sunwelled?

[teddabear]

I came across this rather shocking chart recently.

http://raidbots.com/dpshistory/Overall/25H/

Feral is in 16th place, 30+% behind the top 3 specs. All 3 Warlocks specs are more than 20% above Feral. 6 classes have 2 specs higher than Feral, hard to believe when you add up tank specs, healing specs and PvP specs.

[Elunedra]

i recently looked on wowonlinemeter to see on witch bosses ferals are good dps but i only saw moonkings. and some bosses where completely dominated by only fire mages or warlocks

so i was still under the impression ferals did equal dps to a moonking but sadly that is not tru. but i am stilll top 10 dpser of my guild :P

that chart is indeed frustrating :/

[dwbrown7680]

That chart isn't 100% accurate, and you can't argue too much. With the exception of warlocks, most classes have one really good spec and then two very lesser ones. Hell look at rogues and mages. Rogue is top and bottom. Fire is 2nd for mages, then almost dead last with Frost and Arcane. As much as you may hate to hear it, not all specs are going to be top 5 dps viable, and feral could be in this situation now. The only thing I can suggest to you is either not let dps charts annoy you or go boomkin.

[Ohforfsake]

Yes. Feral could use a PvE dps buff.
No. We arent getting it. Because blizzard are being jerks about our spec, bigtime, i dont know what it is, it can not be explained from simple logic pov, it's just how it is - blizzard hates feral and wishes us all to die(reroll or respec). Patch 4.0.6 brilliantly proves that.
What can we do..

[FreakEyy]

I still think that "hyrbrid" classes like Druids, Priests, Paladins, Shamans are not suppose to do as much damage as the pure dps classes (Even tho I a boomkin myself).
So if the feral dps is lower then a warlock, that's just normal tbh. The way it should be.

[Elunedra]

patch 4.0.6 proves what blziard stated about 4 years ago, something along the lines of:
"we dont want to buff bleed damage as its unpredicable and cannot be migated" witch is also why i was verry surprised seeying the feral druid cat mastery when it was released..

but so it went along and yes it turned out completely OP in PVP (it was, i hardly ever pvp but i won every duel whit 0 resilence vs melee classes whit 2500+ resielence).

so blizzard had no choice to fix it but in PVE wise it hurts, they should atleast buff FB else the difference between a FB and shred goes down even more

[Shinshiva]

get rid of stupid, unbalanced, bear destroying cat dps; leave boomkins with their own tree; give a dedicated tanking tree to us bears. problem solv...ohwait that's right people will cry about not being able to be try-hard rogues.

[Elunedra]

mages and hunters would like a word with you

the fact the mages and hunters need fixing does not mean ferals dont need it :P

[reverendball]

the fact the mages and hunters need fixing does not mean ferals dont need it :P

i believe the authors quote is relevant too:

For the record, the comic is not derived from any personal feelings on the subject. I avoid playing the "Waaah, X Class is overpowered/Learn2Play, nub" wheel-of-fortune.

While I'm certainly under no impression that every class is perfectly balanced with every other class across every situation, I do subscribe to the notion that if you are unable to adequately fulfill your class' role, the problem is more likely to lie in the skill/gear department, as opposed to the "the developer's girlfriend must play X class, that's why it's better than my class" line of reasoning.

It occurs to me that that may just be an elaborate way of saying "Learn2Play", but while balancing is an ongoing process, I have seen any and every class in WoW played both poorly (looking at you, Fail-Druid) and fantastically. I think a lot of people need to come to terms with the strengths and limitations of their class choices.

If you're complaining because your Warlock can't tank 25-man Ulduar, it's entirely possible that the problem doesn't lie with Blizzard's "inability to balance classes"

[Deleted]

get rid of stupid, unbalanced, bear destroying cat dps; leave boomkins with their own tree; give a dedicated tanking tree to us bears. problem solv...ohwait that's right people will cry about not being able to be try-hard rogues.

get rid of stupid, unbalanced, cat destroying bear tanks; leave boomkins with their own tree; give a dedicated dps tree to us cats. problem solv...ohwait that's right people will cry about not being able to be try-hard protection warriors.

See? It's not really hard to be unreasonable as well.

[Grimbold of Skullcrusher]

Stop whining like: Blizzard hates ferals qq. That´s nonsese, blizzard doesnt hate any class, they are working hard to balance it, but the game has 2 aspects, pvp and pve - and the game needs to be balanced for both as much as possible. Feral druid also brings some nice utilities into the raid like Tranquility, which can help a lot in certain situations.
And as I can tell you from my personal expirience with cat - I am sure that feral dps is not that bad as its show in that chart - my friend is mainspec resto druid and he can push over 18 k in his offspec on most of the bosses.

[cise4832]

Cat dps is somewhere in the middle for 10N and 25N amoung all melee specs.
http://raidbots.com/dpshistory/Overall/10N/#3vs00
http://raidbots.com/dpshistory/Overall/25N/#3vs00

http://raidbots.com/dpshistory/Overall/10H/#3vs00
And only 15.5k in 10H? o_O

Did I overlook something?

[Deleted]

I'm going to be selfish and say that I don't understand the chart in the OP. Okay, I understand that it's a dps chart, and I assume it's some form of "top parsed results" or something, but what I fail to understand is how it will affect my gaming. There will be a few percentages flying around, and due to, so to speak, some damage moving from Rip and Rake to Shred and Mangle in 4.0.6, I might have to shift my priorities a bit, but overall... "Why should I care about charts that don't even show me?" Patches happen charts or no charts, and oh-my-gods Feral isn't the only spec being toned down or about.

As long as I am not running bleeding edge content, and as long as I won't be playing an utterly, literally broken spec, I assume I will still be doing dps. Possibly not our raid's highest dps, but at the end of the day I'll be doing dps. It increases with experience and skill/attention, and decreases with slack. Will this mean we will have to skip Ferals from raids in order to down the (normal mode) bosses we fight in our guild? Erm, nope.

Oh, and you lot might want to have a look through the window, just in case the sky is falling. If it's cloudy, be afraid - be very afraid; then it has already begun.

[Deleted]

I still think that "hyrbrid" classes like Druids, Priests, Paladins, Shamans are not suppose to do as much damage as the pure dps classes (Even tho I a boomkin myself).
So if the feral dps is lower then a warlock, that's just normal tbh. The way it should be.

To be honest, that actually makes dam good sense! Druids are about versatility not DPS.

And for gods sake stop trying to top silly meters or compare yourself in charts. ITS A DAM GAME!! Who cares if you're not top DPS< what the mighty overlords aren't going to give you a special prize or herald you in WoW Magazine? Just deal with it and play the game!

[Deleted]

There's something fishy with this "overall" chart, just saying. Combat rogues are shown on top overall, yet in any particular fight you can see they are below assassination. That said, ferals are middle of the pack on those individual fights too.

[emni]

This is not what the term "Sunwelled" means. It's a term to indicate that no specc of the class is viable in the current end-game content. And since Moonkin is more than viable, you are just ridiculously exaggerating. Looking at the same chart, not one but two hunter speccs are below feral and the third one is below balance druids. Are you seriously telling me druids are worse off than hunters?

[Daermon]

I don't actually know how that site works.. but how the hell are healers higher dps than subtlety rogues? :P

[reverendball]

I don't see the problem? My hunter just specs Survival and kicks the ass out of those ferals.
The priority should be to give every class a decent dps-spec, after that we can discuss the other specs.

tell the OP to "go Boomkin and stfu" then
see how well that goes
XD

[Elunedra]

I don't see the problem? My hunter just specs Survival and kicks the ass out of those ferals.
The priority should be to give every class a decent dps-spec, after that we can discuss the other specs.

no the priority should be to give each class a decent spec for each role it can perform. so for druids that means we need 4 decent specs

and melee & ranged dps are differnt roles thats is also why the LFG tool lets you select melee or range dpsed, and the LFg tool always makies sure you have atleast 1 melee or 1 ranged dps in your group

[Heywes]

To be honest, that actually makes dam good sense! Druids are about versatility not DPS.

And for gods sake stop trying to top silly meters or compare yourself in charts. ITS A DAM GAME!! Who cares if you're not top DPS< what the mighty overlords aren't going to give you a special prize or herald you in WoW Magazine? Just deal with it and play the game!

What versatility?