[TV] Game of Thrones [No Spoilers]

[Disenchanted]

Yeah, age didn't bother me when considering the sex scenes from the books with younger characters. Even Jon would have been too young for TV. But I don't want them to make romance where there isn't any between two rather big characters.

I don't think you have to worry about that. Even in the books, their relationship at it's most intense didn't even really reach "puppy love" levels. Probably the most flirtatious thing that happened was their brief wrestle play... which one of the Brotherhood (Lem or Tom O'Sevens... can't remember which) immediately scolds Gendry about. He emphasized that she's a little girl still. He has to be careful. Now, that's not to say that maybe GRRM has something in the works for them before it's all said and done in book 7. But if the show sticks around long enough for that, Maise will be in her 20s, and there's still no issue.

Most of the shipping stuff is wishful thinking in fans' heads.

[Tore]

The things they have been changing bother me, but mostly because they use time they could be spending on things from the actual book on crap filler they think will up their ratings(aka Ros and her whores). I was glad Ros/porn was left out of this episode. Condensing characters and time frames, I get it. Don't fill 20 minutes of every episode with sex and a whore that aren't in the books though and try and get away with that excuse.

Speaking of, I've been hearing a lot of people say that last night's episode was the best of the season so far. It was also the first episode of the season with no unnecessary boobage. Coincidence?

People, even non readers, are clearly into the plot and intrigue far more than the sex. I don't know why they keep pushing for nude scenes that aren't even in the book, especially when said scenes don't even contain any exposition. For instance: we know Joff is a cunt. No need to waste 5 minutes of screen time showing us with boobs and asses. Also, we know Renly was gay. There's no need to waste 5 minutes of screentime to remind us.

[Badpaladin]

Speaking of, I've been hearing a lot of people say that last night's episode was the best of the season so far. It was also the first episode of the season with no unnecessary boobage. Coincidence?

I think the reason was because they straight up killed Renly. I think a few people saw that coming with the ending of the last night's episode, but killing Renly set the stage for things to get all kinds of fucked up, which is what people love about the show. The previous episodes were great for continuing character storylines, but nothing of super-significant consequence happened up until now.

[Xiphan]

I enjoyed the episode. Was looking forward to it since reading its title The Ghost of Harrenhal. Pyat Pree was great, can't wait for Danaerys' visit to the House of The Undying. I really love Liam Cunningham as Davos, he's perfect for the role.

Seems unnecessary to have Loras say he knew it was Stannis and not Brienne behind Renly's death though. I thought he gets quite mad down the line upon their reunion in King's Landing.

Seems they're getting through A Clash of Kings quite fast though; they might run into a Storm of Swords a little?

[Jackmoves]

Yeah, age didn't bother me when considering the sex scenes from the books with younger characters. Even Jon would have been too young for TV. But I don't want them to make romance where there isn't any between two rather big characters.

True, but I always felt like there was a very, very deep friendship between arya and gendry in the books, kind of teenage fling almost. Not just mates. I'm sure I'm not the only one, maybe the screen writers got the same feeling when reading the books.

[Zaelsino]

Besides the fact that it's just not Arya at all. At all.... All the children are older in the show than the books so they may eventually try and play that up, but I'd rather they wouldn't. =/

The things they have been changing bother me, but mostly because they use time they could be spending on things from the actual book on crap filler they think will up their ratings(aka Ros and her whores). I was glad Ros/porn was left out of this episode. Condensing characters and time frames, I get it. Don't fill 20 minutes of every episode with sex and a whore that aren't in the books though and try and get away with that excuse.


Also, more Sandor please.

Way to ruin my ship.

But yeah, if they cut out the bulk of this whore/brothel/Ros tripe then half of the cut characters would probably have enough screentime to be seeded.

Like Ramsay Bolton, whose absence is going to have a massive ripple effect by the end of S2.

[Gallahadd]

But yeah, if they cut out the bulk of this whore/brothel/Ros tripe then half of the cut characters would probably have enough screentime to be seeded.

Like Ramsay Bolton, whose absence is going to have a massive ripple effect by the end of S2.

couldn't agree more, I love the show, and I love most of what they've done with it, but they need to reel back the sexposition, it's getting a little silly now, and focus on the story, which afterall is what made the series so epic.

and LOTS more Sandor is needed, I really hope they don't cut out his journey with Arya next season it was one of my favourite parts and really made me like his character.

[Jackmoves]

Just saw an interview in one of the local papers with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, thought I could share.

Google translate for the win. We are a month behind here(yes I have downloaded the episodes, shame on me), second season premieres today here.

I get a call from Copenhagen 15 minutes prior to the appointed interview, it's Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, He currently plays the role of Jaime Lannister in the "Game of Thrones", the second season will premiere tonight on Canal+. He wonders if we can take the interview later that night, he wants to take his daughters to the circus. He still lives in Copenhagen with his wife and his two daughters, his wife is an actor like himself, they take turns to be home with the children while the other one is away from home working.

When he calls me back up a few hours later I tell him he seems quite different to the character he plays in Game of Thrones
- Oh yes, I'm very, very different, I like being a stay at home dad, I love being home with the children and I love to be home in Copenhagen, spring is in full bloom now.

How does your private life work out when you are so busy with your professional life?
- It works out fine, me and my wife take turns to be home, we work shift so to speak, I've only been with one actor, so I... what do you say in swedish, compare, I got nothing to compare it to, but for me it works out fine, it's only the children I think about, they don't like us being away from home.

The lavish fantasy series "Game of Thrones" is a more adult version of "Lord of the Rings", with a lot more focus on sex and power games.
- It is very violent and sometimes rather vulgar, says Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, whose character has it together with her sister.

Danish Nikolaj Coster-Waldau plays Jaime Lannister, a knight from the kingdom Westeros richest family. His sister Cersei (Lena Headey) is queen of the country, a country racked by power struggles between noble families. The siblings Lannister has a deadly secret - they have a sexual relationship.
- Love is Jaime's Achilles heel. He loves a forbidden woman, and it brings a lot of trouble. And he has an arrogant shell around him that he uses to keep people away, says Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

Nikolaj is relaxed and in good spirits. Maybe it's because of the circus show or maybe it's relief that the series, which had it's U.S. premiere in April, has been well received by critics and the author George RR Martin's readers. The latter category is brimming with devoted fans with high expectations.
-It seems that we have managed to reach both fans of the books and people like myself, who do not usually want to watch fantasy, says Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

What have you got against fantasy?
-I read much fantasy when I was young but then I got out of it and associated it with elves and hobbits. But it's a big difference between Tolkien and George Martin.

He says that "Lord of the Rings" makes clear distinctions between good and evil, and that it is the ring that sometimes makes good people do evil things.
-In "Game of Thrones" all people have their own interests that they pursue, even if it harms others. Nothing is black or white. They live in a world where no one has heard of the scandinavian welfare states, it's a harsher world he says laughingly

- It's much more realistic, I find myself thinking this is what the world is like, every nation tries to grab the best bits of everything, our leaders have tried to come to a concensus about the environment for example but it's hard work to get the world to work together

Jaime Lannister is a typical example of this moral gray area. In the first season, he commits a terrible act, which in another story would have made him an obvious villain.
- Jaime changes as the show progress. As an actor it's incredibly interesting to have a role like that. There is something to work against, I don't have that big of a role in the second season but towards the end I think I've done some of the most exciting acting in my career so far.

In Sweden, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is best known for "Wonderful and Loved by All", where he played a cocky Drama Actor against Martina Haag's enterprising wannabe. He remembers the recording as a positive experience:
- It was a feast. It was wonderful to act out the prejudice Swedes have when it comes to the Danish arrogance and it's always nice to work closer to home and my family as well.

[Deleted]

Another decent episode.

Renly got murdered, but I was disappointed in how fast his bannermen turned tail and hooked up with Stannis. Surely they would have stuck with House Tyrell?

Tyrian walking through the square with Bronn; did anyone else notice Edward Tudor-Poe of The Crystal Maze fame as the preacher slagging off House Lannister and in particular Tyrion as a dancing monkey.

So Arya has her own pocket genie; if I had 2 wishes it would be Joffrey and Littlefinger for the chop! I'm also hoping the little runt who may invade Winterfell gets his come-uppance. I know he wants to prove himself to his father but raping and pillaging the city where you were brought up, murdering the people you stood by for years does not sit well with me.

[Tore]

Renly got murdered, but I was disappointed in how fast his bannermen turned tail and hooked up with Stannis. Surely they would have stuck with House Tyrell?

The Tyrells didn't have a legitimate claim to the Throne. Renly may have been younger than Stannis but he was a Baratheon and had a reasonable claim. The Tyrells have nothing except relation by marriage.

[Jibjabb]

Im not sure if this is a spoiler question or not but did anyone catch how the prisoner guy (sry idk his name) killed the man at the end? I heard a noise and then he was dead, it obviously wasnt a gun since those didnt exist. and the guy who killed him was up high. Did he throw a rock or something?

[Tore]

Im not sure if this is a spoiler question or not but did anyone catch how the prisoner guy (sry idk his name) killed the man at the end? I heard a noise and then he was dead, it obviously wasnt a gun since those didnt exist. and the guy who killed him was up high. Did he throw a rock or something?

Jaquen (the prisoner guy) knocked him down from the walkway up high.

[Zaelsino]

I assumed Jaqen just silenced him somehow and hurled him off the battlements. That fall would be pretty lethal.

IIRC his neck seemed pretty twisted, too.

[Gallahadd]

Renly got murdered, but I was disappointed in how fast his bannermen turned tail and hooked up with Stannis. Surely they would have stuck with House Tyrell?

Tyrian walking through the square with Bronn; did anyone else notice Edward Tudor-Poe of The Crystal Maze fame as the preacher slagging off House Lannister and in particular Tyrion as a dancing monkey..

no frakkin way! I've just gone back to watch it again, and that was totally tenpole tudor :P Was talking about him the other day.. jesus he's lookin rough :S

as for Renly's men, you have to understand alot of them were... how to put it... Fair-weather friends , or to quote Catlyn Stark 'The Knights of Summer' allied with Renly because they saw it all as a big game, and enjoyed having tournaments in the field, and talking of all the honor they would get for themselves. Then when shit got real, they panicked and threw they're lot in with Stannis (or at least that's how I saw it, I could be wrong)

Im not sure if this is a spoiler question or not but did anyone catch how the prisoner guy (sry idk his name) killed the man at the end? I heard a noise and then he was dead, it obviously wasnt a gun since those didnt exist. and the guy who killed him was up high. Did he throw a rock or something?

That's the question really isn't it did he fall.... or was he pushed? Either way one life has been paid for, and one man is dead 2 to go. Also... was it just me, or did Jaqen mention 'the Red God'.....? I've watched the episode twice now and I swear he does.... which would be a catastrophically bad change...

OMG Zaelsino your avatar pwns

[Tore]

Also... was it just me, or did Jaqen mention 'the Red God'.....? I've watched the episode twice now and I swear he does.... which would be a catastrophically bad change...

Yes, indeed he did say "the Red God." That line is very closely paraphrased from the book, as well.

[Disenchanted]

no frakkin way! I've just gone back to watch it again, and that was totally tenpole tudor :P Was talking about him the other day.. jesus he's lookin rough :S

as for Renly's men, you have to understand alot of them were... how to put it... Fair-weather friends , or to quote Catlyn Stark 'The Knights of Summer' allied with Renly because they saw it all as a big game, and enjoyed having tournaments in the field, and talking of all the honor they would get for themselves. Then when shit got real, they panicked and threw they're lot in with Stannis (or at least that's how I saw it, I could be wrong)




That's the question really isn't it did he fall.... or was he pushed? Either way one life has been paid for, and one man is dead 2 to go. Also... was it just me, or did Jaqen mention 'the Red God'.....? I've watched the episode twice now and I swear he does.... which would be a catastrophically bad change...

OMG Zaelsino your avatar pwns

Jaqen said "The Red God" in the book. It's not an alteration.

The most prevalent theory is he used the Red God since they were going to die by fire. Were they drowning, he may have said "The Drowned God."

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Another decent episode.

Renly got murdered, but I was disappointed in how fast his bannermen turned tail and hooked up with Stannis. Surely they would have stuck with House Tyrell?

This was partly answered already. The other part of the answer is where the houses that switched allegiances were from. They were from the Stormlands. By right, they should have been backing Stannis from the beginning. They all owe fealty to House Baratheon, and Stannis is now the only surviving Baratheon.

There were houses from around Highgarden with Renly's camp too. In the book, some of those went over to Stannis too, but some (most?) went away with Loras... can't say anymore.

[Radalek]

Im not sure if this is a spoiler question or not but did anyone catch how the prisoner guy (sry idk his name) killed the man at the end? I heard a noise and then he was dead, it obviously wasnt a gun since those didnt exist. and the guy who killed him was up high. Did he throw a rock or something?

If you look at it again you will see that dead guys body is turned down and his head is looking up. He twisted his head, fast and clean like a true assassin . Then he threw him down. No sound at all from the victim.

---------- Post added 2012-05-03 at 09:23 AM ----------

That's the question really isn't it did he fall.... or was he pushed? Either way one life has been paid for, and one man is dead 2 to go. Also... was it just me, or did Jaqen mention 'the Red God'.....? I've watched the episode twice now and I swear he does.... which would be a catastrophically bad change...

OMG Zaelsino your avatar pwns

He did indeed said Red God and it's the same in the books. Arya "took" him from the Red Good by not letting him burn in that cage, simple.

[Zaelsino]

OMG Zaelsino your avatar pwns

A man sees. A man knows.

A man is also disheartened by the lack of Jaime and needs to supplement it.

If you look at it again you will see that dead guys body is turned down and his head is looking up. He twisted his head, fast and clean like a true assassin . Then he threw him down. No sound at all from the victim.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking: quick and efficient. Nice catch with the body though. Creepy.

[Kathranis]

Seems unnecessary to have Loras say he knew it was Stannis and not Brienne behind Renly's death though. I thought he gets quite mad down the line upon their reunion in King's Landing.

I think he was angry because she failed to protect him. I don't recall specifics, but I'm pretty sure that it was clear to the Rainbowguard in the books that she was completely devoted to Renly.

Seems they're getting through A Clash of Kings quite fast though; they might run into a Storm of Swords a little?

Some plot points from Storm are being moved into Season 2. In fact, the first few chapters of Storm actually take place at the same time as the Battle of the Blackwater, according to the foreward.

Way to ruin my ship.

But yeah, if they cut out the bulk of this whore/brothel/Ros tripe then half of the cut characters would probably have enough screentime to be seeded.

Like Ramsay Bolton, whose absence is going to have a massive ripple effect by the end of S2.

The showrunners said they pushed the casting of certain characters from Clash into Season 3 because they couldn't really afford to hire a bunch of actors and have them wait around for their characters to become important to the plot.

I'm pretty certain that he's going to be introduced and his storyline will be elaborated and extended through at least Season 3. If they followed the books to a T, both Theon and Ramsay would be written off the show for a minimum of two years, since they're not actually seen again until Dance.

Also, Martin is a supervisor and executive producer for the show who helps in casting and writes. He even wrote a season 1 episode in which a character got killed off who survived in the books. He's given the showrunners an outline for how the rest of the series will play out and has ensured that they won't make any changes that'll alter the outcome of the books.

IIRC his neck seemed pretty twisted, too.

His head was completely twisted around 180 degrees.

Jaqen broke his neck and threw him from the ramparts to make it look like he died in a fall. In the book it's a different character that's killed (they've combined/altered some of the Harrenhal characters) and it's assumed that he was drunk, and others blame it on the curse or Harren's ghost.


And yes, in the books he says Red God. Keep in mind that there is only one god, Death, and it has many faces.

[Gallahadd]

Jaqen said "The Red God" in the book. It's not an alteration.

The most prevalent theory is he used the Red God since they were going to die by fire. Were they drowning, he may have said "The Drowned God."

hehe, I thought to watch the episode twice, didn't think to check the book.... This is why I shouldn't post late at night yeah that makes sense.

Is it sunday yet?