Going oom at almost every pull.

[Deleted]

Just dinged 85 yesterday on my holydin and got in to hc's, but on every pull i go oom.

The tank and dps just drop like flys in here and i am forced to spam Divine Light all the time.

[Playintrafic]

From the limited information in your post,

People are not ccing because they expect you to be more geared.
You shouldn't be in heroics if you just dinged 85. It took me several days to get to 329 ilevel, and several days past that to actually be able to say I was fully normal geared. You should have a 333 or higher in every slot, and not pvp gear.
Your not doing it right. You should be using a broader spell rotation than DL spam. DL Is filler.
Your not creating and using HoPo effectively. HoPo heals are mana free.
Your not using your cooldowns effectivly.
Your dps and tanks are taking all the avoidable damage they can.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=Playintrafic;11452784]From the limited information in your post,

You shouldn't be in heroics if you just dinged 85. It took me several days to get to 329 ilevel, and several days past that to actually be able to say I was fully normal geared. You should have a 333 or higher in every slot, and not pvp gear.

Epics ain't that hard to buy from the AH.

Your not doing it right. You should be using a broader spell rotation than DL spam. DL Is filler.

I use most of my spells when i don't see the tank drop from 100% to 45% in under 4 seconds on trash.

Your not using your cooldowns effectivly.

I do and that ain't the problem here.

Your dps and tanks are taking all the avoidable damage they can.

Guess you're right, never see people move for anything even aoe's.

[foxHeart]

It may just be the gear or the group (or you), but these are a few ways of being mana efficient as holy:

Holy Shock - Use it on cd and watch for your daybreak procs. Additionally, try not to holy shock when you're already at three holy power.
Word of Glory - Use it once you hit three holy power and keep track of your eternal glory procs.
Judging - Every cooldown. Also, if there's no harm in being within melee range, feel free to melee for mana.
Divine Plea - Glyph for it and use it whenever you'll be able to get away with the 50% healing reduction.
Hand of Sacrifice - If your tank is being dumb or just getting crushed, you can pop this on him. The option of bubbling yourself is always there in combination with this. Saves you some work.

Some other small things are trying to get the kill blow with your hammer of wrath for a 300% holy light, using hammer of justice/holy wrath to stun mobs, and using your super nice interrupt to help reduce party damage.

But yeah, sometimes you can do everything right and be unable to maintain your mana because of bad groups.

[Deleted]

Epics ain't that hard to buy from the AH.

Then go buy them. You just dinged 85 and you expect to heal heroics with ease? Then when you don't you come on here to complain without posting any info at all on what you do or don't do in order for people to give you advice.

On the off-chance that you're not just trolling, post some more info and you can get some real advice instead of generic stuff.

[Deleted]

Alright thanks Playintrafic and foxHeart.

Then go buy them. You just dinged 85 and you expect to heal heroics with ease? Then when you don't you come on here to complain without posting any info at all on what you do or don't do in order for people to give you advice.

On the off-chance that you're not just trolling, post some more info and you can get some real advice instead of generic stuff.

Not sure if Troll or postbooster.

[Jaxxs]

I just dinged 85 on my priest as well, had the entire pvp crafted set ready and guess what I'm going to do first...NORMALS! No I'm not going to go buy epics cause I'm stingy. I however am not going to come here and ask why I'm going oom when 1) I know that I'm trying to heal things I don't have gear for and 2) If I do have the gear for it and shouldn't be having problems I'm not going to be a smartass to the people that try and help.

If epics are so easy for you to get then go get them and stop going oom, if you're still going oom after you've bought your precious epics (and have no other upgrades you should get from normals) then maybe you should be a little nicer when asking for help...

[Deleted]

Not sure if Troll or postbooster.

It's neither, it's me asking you to post some info if you want help. Lots of people come on these forums to ask for help, very few of them do what you did and just go "I'm new, I Oom" and just leave it at that. Do you expect people to read your mind and magically figure out what your situation is and how to help you with it? All the advice so far is generic holy pally stuff that you can read on any forum if you bother to search for 5 minutes.

[Playintrafic]

@ The OP I was not implying your bad, I saw a post "amg just dinged 85 trying heroics cant keep people alive" and not info as to why they were dieing.

Yeah, tell them to stfu, and cc, and stay the hell out of the fire, and eat after fights if you are drinking. I hate having to drink twice because dps are standing around like tards.

Buying an epic or two and keeping them in your bags, or even equiping them doesnt a heroic healer make. A few epics might boost your item level to 329, but if your not ~ 2100 spirit, and 100k mana with some apporiate haste/mastery/crit thrown in your going to be going oom.

I had a few problems with mana effiency between 333 and 346. At 346 I was rarely having problems, (Shaman Druid) and neither are considered as OP in 5 mans as holy paladins. I am working on the pally now.

[microtonal]

Guess you're right, never see people move for anything even aoe's.

If people don't move out of area effects, either let them die until they learn to pay attention or leave and requeue until you find a group of players who aren't retarded.

People are supposed to die when they fail to avoid avoidable damage. That's not your fault. In spite of that, unfortunately, 90% of WoW players are narcissistic idiots, so you will get blamed for it more often than not. Some people don't even realize they're doing it. Like, they actually lack the basic situational awareness to know whether or not their character is standing in an obvious ground effect. I've lost count of the number of times I've sat there and watched someone park themselves in fire or stand stock still in the face of an easily avoidable directional damage effect of some kind, then when told why they died, replied with "no, I didn't, noob".

People are seriously fucking stupid. And generally, the dumber someone is, the smarter and more infallible they think they are. Those people are a complete waste of mana.

[Reavyn]

As I've recently dinged 85 on my pally tank, I can safely say that unless you've played your role before (mage main here), you simply must do the normal lvl 85 dungeons before going into heroics. Even if you don't need any gear. Any instance you've done before 85 means nothing as the playstyle and mechanics change.

Dinging 85 and going straight into heroics while playing a new classrole, even with store-bought epics, will fail massively.

[Angarin]

Heroics arent easy, nobody said they were. They're faceroll with a full group of 359 and people not standing in shit

Make it clear your members need to use CC because your gear isnt exactly epic

If they disagree its their fault they die.


Let me make it clear before I continue. I've been playing holy pally since pre 2.1. After 4.01 the holy paladin class with spells almost immediately changed.

I was around 326 ilevel...I got half of my defender of shattered world achievements that night. I had 339 ilevel by the end of the night. Healing heroics arent easy but they do need practice. This wasnt my first go around with these heroics.

Basically

Practice makes perfect...and plenty of cc. As for boss fights the only really healing intensive fights even with unavoidable damage is deadmines & sfk. Other heroics are a bit harder to heal but its because 70% of wow players are tards or lazy

[Playintrafic]

Yeah I haven't found a heroic that was exactly hard yet, not lol wrath aoe everything spam HL or GHW or HT on a LB 3 stack, WG on cooldown.

Biggest things are making sure they CC the nasty's or healers on big pulls.

Dont stand in the fire.

If a dps is pulling aggro or taking too much damage, I black list him/her and try to get the rogue or hunter to ToT / MD that person until they leave group

[Deleted]

Just did HC Throne of the Tides and people did not move out of aoe, so i didn't heal them. Kept my mana up also i am sorry for not posting more info on the matter.

[Nekovivie]

Just did HC Throne of the Tides and people did not move out of aoe, so i didn't heal them. Kept my mana up also i am sorry for not posting more info on the matter.

This is what you should do, school of hard knocks and all. They will learn after a few deaths

[Lovestar]

The thing with people standing in fire is, if you can keep them up, you should try your best to do so.

Why?

Because sooner or later you'll encounter fights where people take tons and tons of damage they can't avoid. And the training you get escorting the mindless through Heroics is actually invaluable when you most need those stress/edge-cutting healing tricks you pick up trying to keep unruly groups alive.

Drinking after each pull? Not a big deal. Water is dirt-cheap and it takes like 15 seconds to hit full mana and be off on your way again. Most of the time you can safely let the tank and DPS run ahead while you sip a bit more, by the time you catch up they've just started to need healing anyway. Divine Plea between pulls so the 50% hit doesn't matter.

So if everyone's dying, great! Now we can practice! Pop cooldowns, let no GCD go unpunished, abuse the spell-queuing mechanism, knock that mana bar to zero. Stun the casters. Interrupt what no DPS can be bothered to interrupt. Tank ignoring aggro on you? Fantastic! Kill it yourself or bubble if it's too meaty.

No one shall die! Not even the ignorant! Not even if they manage to enter P3 of Ozumat with 16 Blight Beasts up! Refusing to kill Chains of Woe? Ignoring Faceless Corruptors? Eating 3 elementals in a row on Drahga? Ha ha ha ha! The pain gives me power!

[zcks]

People are seriously fucking stupid. And generally, the dumber someone is, the smarter and more infallible they think they are. Those people are a complete waste of mana.

This is why I really wish Darwin's law of survival of the fittest still applied more to humans, not just in game either it seems like every day I hear about someone somewhere doing something stupid that makes others lives a living hell while they don't even realize what they have done & continue on their marry way.

Sadly the law will not allow me to beat the shit out of people for perpetual stupidity.

[bluepencil]

The thing with people standing in fire is, if you can keep them up, you should try your best to do so.

Why?

Because sooner or later you'll encounter fights where people take tons and tons of damage they can't avoid. And the training you get escorting the mindless through Heroics is actually invaluable when you most need those stress/edge-cutting healing tricks you pick up trying to keep unruly groups alive.

Drinking after each pull? Not a big deal. Water is dirt-cheap and it takes like 15 seconds to hit full mana and be off on your way again. Most of the time you can safely let the tank and DPS run ahead while you sip a bit more, by the time you catch up they've just started to need healing anyway. Divine Plea between pulls so the 50% hit doesn't matter.

So if everyone's dying, great! Now we can practice! Pop cooldowns, let no GCD go unpunished, abuse the spell-queuing mechanism, knock that mana bar to zero. Stun the casters. Interrupt what no DPS can be bothered to interrupt. Tank ignoring aggro on you? Fantastic! Kill it yourself or bubble if it's too meaty.

No one shall die! Not even the ignorant! Not even if they manage to enter P3 of Ozumat with 16 Blight Beasts up! Refusing to kill Chains of Woe? Ignoring Faceless Corruptors? Eating 3 elementals in a row on Drahga? Ha ha ha ha! The pain gives me power!

Hahaha that was pretty funny

[MiLLeR]

@ The OP I was not implying your bad, I saw a post "amg just dinged 85 trying heroics cant keep people alive" and not info as to why they were dieing.

Yeah, tell them to stfu, and cc, and stay the hell out of the fire, and eat after fights if you are drinking. I hate having to drink twice because dps are standing around like tards.

Buying an epic or two and keeping them in your bags, or even equiping them doesnt a heroic healer make. A few epics might boost your item level to 329, but if your not ~ 2100 spirit, and 100k mana with some apporiate haste/mastery/crit thrown in your going to be going oom.

I had a few problems with mana effiency between 333 and 346. At 346 I was rarely having problems, (Shaman Druid) and neither are considered as OP in 5 mans as holy paladins. I am working on the pally now.

Sorry but what? 100k mana for heroics? LOL.. try maybe 75-80k~

[phyrix]

Sorry but what? 100k mana for heroics? LOL.. try maybe 75-80k~

That's right. On my Shaman I barely break 105k raidbuffed/flasked. And I'm in full 359.