Is ret decent in BGs/RBGs?

[Gd888]

Don't really care about arena anymore. I'm not bad at it, it's just kind of run its course for me and it's just tedious and boring to me now. I really only log on to do a couple BGs/RBGs so that's all I care about right now. I have an 85 alt paladin that I've done nothing with since hitting 85 on it like 2 weeks ago, I really like ret's play style so far and I know rets are kind of average/mediocre in arena right now but how are they in BGs?

[Judge Malthred]

I went looking for holy arenadins on AJ the other day and like paladins in the top like 6 ranks were all ret, so it can't be all bad. A lot of them triple dps teams too. Basically ret can dish out a lot burst damage if you line up all your CD's - which usually translated to fun in BG's.

[Deleted]

As far as I'm aware, Ret still has the highest capable burst ingame, which is slightly less likely to be nullified in RBG's, so on paper they should be useful.

In random BG's they're fine, I can still solo any flag carrier if somebody doesn't steal my vengeance, which makes winning ctf games alot easier.

[Silaryn]

You'd probably be more wanted as holy IMO.

I see rets in RBGS alot cause they have some nice burst as well as ways to stay on people.

They can be annoying assholes in RBGS too especially on node maps.

10% health -> Bubble -> LOL AOE THE FLAG

[Gd888]

You'd probably be more wanted as holy IMO.

I see rets in RBGS alot cause they have some nice burst as well as ways to stay on people.

They can be annoying assholes in RBGS too especially on node maps.

10% health -> Bubble -> LOL AOE THE FLAG

I know holy would be more useful but I don't like being forced into specs that I don't want to play, I really have no interest in playing a healer. I've been doing some random BGs on my ret pally since making this thread and I'm doing pretty well so far, especially with my shit gear. The only problem is that people get away from me SO god damn easily. If I'm shitting on a rogue, the rogue can pretty much just start running away without even sprinting and get away. Having no slow is really shitty and long arm of the law doesn't really make up for it.

[DrFeelGood]

if you want burst, play an Elemental shaman

[Gd888]

if you want burst, play an Elemental shaman

I have been but I'm getting kind of bored of it, I'm more into melee

[Deleted]

I have been but I'm getting kind of bored of it, I'm more into melee

I think if you wanna do alot of RBGs, and you wanna play melee, your best bet is to level up a warrior. Then you can have FC tank on ctf, and arms on basecontrolling BGs.

And i happen to disagree with ret having highest burst. Four words: Arcane Mage PvE Gear

[Gd888]

I think if you wanna do alot of RBGs, and you wanna play melee, your best bet is to level up a warrior. Then you can have FC tank on ctf, and arms on basecontrolling BGs.

And i happen to disagree with ret having highest burst. Four words: Arcane Mage PvE Gear

I can't get into warriors for some reason, I'm just not interested in them. I like ret's play-style so far, it's fun being able to support other people in BGs with HoF and WoG on top of putting out decent damage.

[Kynn]

Don't really care about arena anymore. I'm not bad at it, it's just kind of run its course for me and it's just tedious and boring to me now. I really only log on to do a couple BGs/RBGs so that's all I care about right now. I have an 85 alt paladin that I've done nothing with since hitting 85 on it like 2 weeks ago, I really like ret's play style so far and I know rets are kind of average/mediocre in arena right now but how are they in BGs?

If Ele Shamans and Arcane Mages can find their way to high-rated RBG teams, then so can Ret Pally.

If you're play is good enough, and you develop great teamwork and coordination with your teammates, I don't see how Ret won't work. (And by teamwork, I mean have your teammate put 56174343 buffs on you so you can pop Wings and wreck stuff )

[Gd888]

Honestly, roll ret for BGs and go holy if you want to RBG. At least if you want to get anywhere with RBGs. You'll have a very hard time finding a spot in one as I've never once run one with a ret paladin in the group. Holy is just too amazing for them and ret is very lackluster. They're purely a burst class and half of that can be mitigated by dispelling wings. They also lack CC and only truly bring utility to the table which isn't as huge of a need as CC/damage.

You think my elemental shaman would be better for RBGs over ret?

[Homsel]

FC as a prot is fun, too. Similar to ret there's a nice arsenal of CDs helping you to stay alive (or do some decent burst as ret respectively). Ret healing as a backup is really nice to have, too.

[zcks]

It's more viable then prot but that's not saying much.

The main problems with ret in any kind of pvp where you come across players with any skill are

1: RNG. Around 30% or more of your damage comes from completely random procs, without those procs you are left with dead zones where you have nothing to do. Those same RNG procs also have a huge impact on your survivability & ability to help others.
(this could be easily solved by filling out the list of attacks the spec has access to to eliminate dead zones & increase dps outside of CD's, speeding up holy power generation & making it more consistent with a way to generate charges on ranged targets then by finally removing the ability to use hammer of wrath while wings is up)

2: Offensive & defensive dispels. As a paladin all of your buffs & utility can be dispelled easily by any mage, shaman, priest or hunter with any clue what their doing. As a paladin you also have very little offensive utility & what little you do have either breaks on any damage taken & or can be dispelled by any priest or healer or blinked out of by mages.
(this could be solved 2 ways, a real overhaul of a dispel system or the implementation of a backlash system which deals damage to people who dispel the paladins buffs so that dispelling those buffs becomes a real tactical choice)


On the upside if your constantly surrounded by idiots you can pop CD's once every 2 minutes and nuke someone.

---------- Post added 2011-09-04 at 10:33 AM ----------

I went looking for holy arenadins on AJ the other day and like paladins in the top like 6 ranks were all ret, so it can't be all bad. A lot of them triple dps teams too. Basically ret can dish out a lot burst damage if you line up all your CD's - which usually translated to fun in BG's.

While it is true that ret provides strong burst it relies on having everyone who can offensively dispel being locked up. It also means that if you don't win within the first few moments of a match your likely going to lose.

Those ret's are also not in the top 100 because this play style is easily countered by RMP, RLS & basically any other team with good survivability & offensive dispels.

[Nyve]

Ret sure is viable .. every 2mins when there isn't a dispeller in the near area, otherwise you hit like a wet noodle.
When I do BG's on my priest I just can't wait to find paladins just to annoy them and dispel wings

[Johnpreston]

When I do BG's on my priest I just can't wait to find paladins just to annoy them and dispel wings

A curse upon you... *shakes fist* xD

@ Op: But in all honesty ret paladins were made for BGs, we really shine at two things: a) decent burst with all our CDs and Procs Lined up b) Kill Stealing.

Hope you have fun.

[inboundpaper]

Ret's are scary in battlegrounds, especially if they are played well.

[Reith]

If Ele Shamans and Arcane Mages can find their way to high-rated RBG teams, then so can Ret Pally.

There's a huge difference between Arcane Mages and Elemental Shamans... Elemental Shaman(s) were at the WoW invitational and did good. I'm not sure if there were any Retribution Paladinss because I didn't go through all the matches, but I highly doubt there were.

Oh you were talking about RBGs. What I said still stands, though. Elemental Shamans are more viable in more PVP settings than Arcane Mages.

[Kynn]

There's a huge difference between Arcane Mages and Elemental Shamans... Elemental Shaman(s) were at the WoW invitational and did good. I'm not sure if there were any Retribution Paladinss because I didn't go through all the matches, but I highly doubt there were.

Oh you were talking about RBGs. What I said still stands, though. Elemental Shamans are more viable in more PVP settings than Arcane Mages.

Which invitational are you talking about?

I only remember seeing Christhorman's team using an Double sham comp that included Ele for their 2nd game. They lost their 1st round by a score of 0-3 but Ele only showed up for the 2nd game.

[Reith]

Which invitational are you talking about?

I only remember seeing Christhorman's team using an Double sham comp that included Ele for their 2nd game. They lost their 1st round by a score of 0-3 but Ele only showed up for the 2nd game.

The North American one.

[Deleted]

Im quite enjoying Prot pvp atm... can take on a few people for ages :P