Its a shame they did turn the super saiyan into a childs play toy
they should have went the route of empowering tien, krillin, piccolo, and yamcha instead
Its a shame they did turn the super saiyan into a childs play toy
they should have went the route of empowering tien, krillin, piccolo, and yamcha instead
I really hated it when suddenly vegeta, gohan and co also became super saiyans...
imo would have been much more epic if vegeta got an ancient saiyan power up
for example instead turning into a giant ape, he would stay in his normal body size but would get the power from a giant ape and only growing some hair(sth like they did with ssj4)
yeah but since cell it was pretty much:
"EVERYONE GO SUPER SAIYAN" who didn't was as useful as a trashcan
SSJ for Goten and Trunks is ok imo... they have pretty much perfect conditions... Saiyan/Human Hybrids are said to generally have more potential: Look where Gohan is when he is a Teenager (SSJ2 = a few billion PL) and then look where Goku and Vegeta were as Teenager (Goku at PL 300 or something like that, Vegeta maybe a few thousand). Gohan simply didn't keep the path of a Warrior and we don't know about Goten/Trunks as GT isnt canon and DBZ ends before they are Adults.
Moreover they can train with some of the best Fighters in the universe... Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo. AND as motiviation they have this rivalry between them (although they are friends).
Of course it would have been cooler without kids... every SSJ would have his story:
Goku while fighting a seemingly undefeatable villian who starts to kill his friends in front of him.
Vegeta near death and full of anger that he is not "the" legendary SSJ.
Future Trunks because his best Friend and nearly all of Mankind got killed by the Androids.
Future Gohan because Piccolo and Krillin got killed by the Androids.
Toriyama showed is from the beginning that Gohan had the potential to be more powerful than anyone (given his mood swings), and it was only a matter of time, especially once SSJ was revealed. I think the way they gave it to Gohan was acceptable, but (present) Trunks and Goten was kind of bullshit. Trunks shouldn't have gotten it until he saw Buu beating the crap out of Vegeta, Goten should have gotten it until something equally emotionally disturbing happened (losing Goku/Gohan/Chi Chi to Super Buu).
It would have kept the whole theme they had for it with Goku's traing for Gohan ("The Super Saiyan transformation is a response to a need, not a desire."), and could have had the potential to keep it from becoming what we think of it now (pretty much summed up as Vegeta's "The Super Saiyan... Reduced to a child's mere plaything?! Preposterous!").
Ah shucks, you won me over. I actually concur with you on all points (as hinted at in my original post), but my divided opinion on where the story should have ultimately ended (all points considered, not just Vegeta's character arc) has unduly influenced my stance on his personal story as well; but I concede your points - his development was always my favourite part of the Z saga, and he is undoubtedly one of my all time favourite fictional characters, so yeah: screw it! He deserved the opportunity to evolve as he did, fair enough
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Also, I'm wondering what people's opinions on Battle of the Gods is (only managed to get around to watching it the other day) ...
Myself? I enjoyed it quite a bit - a fun nostalgic romp that kept true to the original series' characters & style imo. It's obvious to me that Toriyama has retained his heart & still has a lot of love for the story.
I'm also curious as to what the movie's conclusion means for the franchise as a whole? Do you think this will beget a new series of anime and/or manga with Toriyama at the helm (or another block of movies perhaps)? I'm sort of curious, but also nervous about such a prospect - given how these sorts of belated, long-term re-visitations of fictional universes rarely pan out for the good *coughstarwarscough*
Thoughts?
If GT is non-canon and doesn't count, then Pan not going SS in GT also doesn't count. The whole problem evens itself out. If we are to go by the information we have of Pan from DBZ then we hardly know anything about her, we don't know anything of her past the age of 5 (I think).
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I don't think being able to keep up with your dad is a desire, but at that point it is a need. Basically if you aren't a SS you're useless like Krillin, so it is very much a need.
I wish he would've appeared more in the series as he's my favorite character. A real shame.
Radittz is your favorite character lol? That's kind of odd lol.
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He's definitely cool looking, although I wonder what his super saiyan forms would look like lol. What would be the difference between his SSj and SSJ2/3 forms lol? Idk, it's just a weird thought. His hair is already really long.
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Reminds me when we first see Gohan go super saiyan, his hair is long and it almost looks SSJ3. Then I found this image.
I still wonder why Vegeta and Goku never wish back Nappa and Raditz. Surely they could become stronger as well with enough training? Or could they wish back Planet Vegeta and their people? I just think it's sad that they're the only Saiyans left.
it would be very nice if they could convince the rest of the saiyan race to chill, but i highly doubt they'd be able to. i mean, vegeta himself isn't very nice and doesn't really care much for earth and earthlings. bardock has seen the way goku turned out and seemed like he would be about like vegeta, and if he's down for it, fasha and maybe the rest of his squad would be too.
but really, it kinda seems like a bad idea lol. too much trouble beyond a few exceptional individuals.
There's a time limit on wishing someone back to life, and it's 1 year from the time of their death.
That makes wishing for Planet Vegeta with all it's inhabitants to be back simply impossible, due to how far in the past it's been destroyed. Planet itself can be wished back, but for what purpose ?
Nappa and Raditz ? Who cares about them ?
And not related to wishing, found this pic today on funnymamma:
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I'd assume it'd be like the Hero Super Saiyan looked like in Ultimate Tenkaichi, who pretty much had Raditz's hair to a T.
Going by the Z Fighters' wish (that anyone killed by Frieza and his men be revived), technically Nappa should have been (Team Four Star had it right), so there's a possibility Nappa was on Earth all along, and just not doing anything.