Update: Added some more information from Ghostcrawler about the Cosby Suite.

Employee Response to Bobby Kotick's Statement
The Verge has posted an employee response to Bobby Kotick's letter.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
On the evening before our employee walkout, Activision Blizzard leadership released a statement apologizing for their harmful responses to last week’s DFEH lawsuit. While we are pleased to see that our collective voices — including an open letter with thousands of signatures from current employees — have convinced leadership to change the tone of their communications, this response fails to address critical elements at the heart of employee concerns.

Activision Blizzard’s response did not address the following:

  • The end of forced arbitration for all employees.
  • Worker participation in oversight of hiring and promotion policies.
  • The need for greater pay transparency to ensure equality.
  • Employee selection of a third party to audit HR and other company processes.

Today’s walkout will demonstrate that this is not a one-time event that our leaders can ignore. We will not return to silence; we will not be placated by the same processes that led us to this point.

This is the beginning of an enduring movement in favor of better labor conditions for all employees, especially women, in particular women of color and transgender women, nonbinary people, and other marginalized groups.

We expect a prompt response and a commitment to action from leadership on the points enumerated above, and look forward to maintaining a constructive dialogue on how to build a better Activision Blizzard for all employees.

Today, we stand up for change. Tomorrow and beyond, we will be the change.



Additional Information on Cosby Suite
Kotaku published some additional information about the Cosby Suite. It also confirms that Afrasiabi was terminated for his misconduct in 2020.

Reddit users have also posted about related tweets that aren't in the article.

An employee brought these 2013 events to our attention in June 2020," a spokesperson for Activision Blizzard told Kotaku when asked about the “Cosby Suite” images and allegations against Afrasiabi. “We immediately conducted our own investigation and took corrective action. At the time of the report, we had already conducted a separate investigation of Alex Afrasiabi and terminated him for his misconduct in his treatment of other employees.



Ghostcrawler's Reply to the Cosby Suite
Ghostcrawler issued a statement about the Cosby Suite.


Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Re: the group chat. Dave was talking about his own wife and a friend. It was a joke, not intended for a broad audience. But the chat is gross and I completely understand how it looks. I should have said something. (Source)
I am seriously questioning your leadership ability if you think "it was a joke" is the right thing to say here. Jokes like that are never harmless. They normalize the behavior that led to more abuse towards women.
I understand that and can't excuse it. I'll own the tasteless group chat that I was in. I wanted to correct the narrative about the Cosby room or that women were creepily being recruited for it. (Source)

"created a lot of discussion that risks overshadowing the work you're doing" seems to be your go to response. Something comes out that portrays you in a negative light, and so it's a "distraction" from the real issue...

There are hundreds of people working at Riot who had nothing to do with this and it's unfair to them that they are having to deal with something that happened at a former employer. (Source)

Do you think people actually buy this or are you just doing it to make yourself feel better now
Do you think it makes more sense that I would tweet about it to however many followers I had at the time if I thought there was something inappropriate and hope nobody noticed? (Source)

I looked up to you for many years as a designer & leader, as many have, and this response lets everyone down. you weren't 18. you were in charge of hundreds, thousands of people, and did nothing. you didn't trip and fall into this photo frame. take the L. the rest of us sure are.
At Blizzard? I was in charge of the systems design team - maybe 30 people. I would have loved a director or VP title but they never gave me one. If you know me like you say you do, ask yourself: does this seem like Greg?
Does it sound like the Greg I’ve had personal conversations with? Maybe not. But I also didn’t think you’d have been silent on that panel, or silent around Afrasiabi, or any of the other guys, open-secret or otherwise, many have known you to be close to.

I am not out to end your career or anything. I don’t have that power. But I do have the ability to tell you how this response and your part in all this deeply affects so many of us, and how it doesn’t feel like it addresses the real issues and harm at play.

Because I’ll tell you what it does sound like. Greg Street, the chill, wise, reserved dude who’s very accepting of people - even when he shouldn’t be - not realizing his role, the power of his voice, the weight of his implied approval? That does sound like you & thats not unique.

Yeah I wish I had said something on the panel or in the chat. I regret that. I can't take it back. It was 10 years ago, and I was junior to a bunch of those dudes. I have more confidence and fewer Fs to give now. There's a reason you don't hear stories like this about me at Riot. (Source)

What I don't understand is why you can't even say "yep, I should have seen that and didn't. my tragic bad, but I do try to be better these days."
I have tried to say that over and over. I didn’t see it. I should have. I am sorry. (Source)
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  1. Aphelios's Avatar
    Can we please get more statements on diversity and inclusivity?
  1. Stormwolf64's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    Can we please get more statements on diversity and inclusivity?
    Has literally nothing to do with any of this
  1. uuuhname's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    Has literally nothing to do with any of this
    it is when your brain is the equivalent of a broken record.
  1. TheRevenantHero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNone View Post
    I disagree. What I get out of the posts is to point out hypocrisy in many posters in this thread. You aren’t even completely absolved yourself. You infer that because that poster doesn’t act like you, that means that they weren’t assaulted while telling him that assault should be taken seriously and not ignored or trivialized. That’s EXACTLY what you are doing. You are trivializing their claim to assault because that person doesn’t act like you.
    No. I'm calling out a person who is BLATANTLY lying based on their blatant disregard for the problems the employees of Blizzard have experienced. But if you want to believe an obvious liar, that's on you.
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ianus View Post
    get help for your addiction
    I don't find having a concern for the wellbeing of others an 'addiction' ... and if it is, I don't plan on getting help for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Lose their jobs? Again, I reiterate: the same jobs where they got
    Yes... so what should be happening is those issue get addressed, and support from the customer base should be behind getting them treated fairly.

    If every company that screws up like this just gets thrown under the carpet, then these employees just move to another company with the same issues.

    MAKING Blizzard fix this problem should be priority - not just ignoring the problem
  1. MasterOfNone's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    No. I'm calling out a person who is BLATANTLY lying based on their blatant disregard for the problems the employees of Blizzard have experienced. But if you want to believe an obvious liar, that's on you.
    Prove he is a liar. Prove that he wasn’t assaulted. Better yet, prove that you were. You can’t prove either. You have to take both seriously right? How in one hand can you be so passionate about sticking up for the assaulted, but then relentlessly degrade a person who claimed to be assaulted. That is the definition of double standard and hypocrisy.
  1. Amagh's Avatar
    They're screwing this up by trying to steer it towards a vocal minority... PoC, Trans, non binary. The typical SJW bullshit.

    No. This shit should affect EVERYONE at Blizzard who has been a victim of this monstrous shit for years. No matter what their skin colour, orientation or identification is.

    They're making a huge mistake trying to steer this into a far leftist issue. You mark my words.
  1. uuuhname's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Amagh View Post
    They're screwing this up by trying to steer it towards a vocal minority... PoC, Trans, non binary. The typical SJW bullshit.

    No. This shit should affect EVERYONE at Blizzard who has been a victim of this monstrous shit for years. No matter what their skin colour, orientation or identification is.

    They're making a huge mistake trying to steer this into a far leftist issue. You mark my words.
    yeah because if we had it your guys' way there wouldn't be any talk about this stuff. ever.
  1. Kithelle's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    The trial is purely to determine how badly Blizzard is getting sued and how much they'll be forced to change. There might be criminal cases after but this isn't about determining whether or not they are guilty. Because they've already proved to be guilty. And the poster you speak of doesn't have a single valid point. They've been doing everything they can to trivialize the entire lawsuit and pretty much saying people should just deal with it or leave.
    Sadly there are people defending them by saying this...pretty awful to tell someone that they should leave their job if they don't like being harassed. No one should be harassed at ANY job, and it's a pretty awful thing to say that someone should accept harassment or leave their job.
  1. TheRevenantHero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNone View Post
    Prove he is a liar. Prove that he wasn’t assaulted. Better yet, prove that you were. You can’t prove either. You have to take both seriously right? How in one hand can you be so passionate about sticking up for the assaulted, but then relentlessly degrade a person who claimed to be assaulted. That is the definition of double standard and hypocrisy.
    He has literally been spending this entire thread calling this lawsuit a sham and how they shouldn't get sued for "mean comments". Once again, if you want to believe an obvious liar then that's on you. But I'm not going to humor this with you anymore.
  1. uuuhname's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    Sadly there are people defending them by saying this...pretty awful to tell someone that they should leave their job if they don't like being harassed. No one should be harassed at ANY job, and it's a pretty awful thing to say that someone should accept harassment or leave their job.
    because it comes from a place of privilege, the privilege of never having to deal with that crap, or being the ones perpetrating it.
  1. Explosivo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Amagh View Post
    They're screwing this up by trying to steer it towards a vocal minority... PoC, Trans, non binary. The typical SJW bullshit.

    No. This shit should affect EVERYONE at Blizzard who has been a victim of this monstrous shit for years. No matter what their skin colour, orientation or identification is.

    They're making a huge mistake trying to steer this into a far leftist issue. You mark my words.
    can you link the part where they said "only PoC and trans, non-binary"
    go on, i'll wait. because i can give you two times they said "everyone" or "all," but not a single time they say "only"
  1. TheRevenantHero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    Sadly there are people defending them by saying this...pretty awful to tell someone that they should leave their job if they don't like being harassed. No one should be harassed at ANY job, and it's a pretty awful thing to say that someone should accept harassment or leave their job.
    I wholeheartedly agree. But a lot of people on these forums think it's so easy to just leave and find another job. They also are condemning the people who were harassed for coming forward. Textbook victim blaming.
  1. Yarathir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    I don't find having a concern for the wellbeing of others an 'addiction' ... and if it is, I don't plan on getting help for it.

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    Yes... so what should be happening is those issue get addressed, and support from the customer base should be behind getting them treated fairly.

    If every company that screws up like this just gets thrown under the carpet, then these employees just move to another company with the same issues.

    MAKING Blizzard fix this problem should be priority - not just ignoring the problem
    But there are better places. There is no reason (other than stockholm syndrome and sunk cost fallacy) to stick with Blizzard and try to salvage it. Blizzard needs its employees, not the other way around. Blizzard should sink.
  1. Kevyne-Shandris's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    There's no need to lock into a "If you don't like then quit" stance. That's frankly dumb, unprofessional, and in a consensus environment like Blizzard's unworkable. The path to diversity isn't instant and contrary to what people are saying it doesn't necessarily involve quotas. It's about expanding opportunity for interns, recruiting in places where you may not be recruiting now, being careful about a culture in which I suspect a lot of people get their opportunities because they know someone. Since the someone's to know are primarily white men then you end up where they are.
    Those points aren't being said.

    NO ONE who's worked for a company for any length of time vying for a promotion, likes a new hire taking that job (usually there's more than 2 people also looking to get that promotion, too).

    The long standing grief employees have had over the decade (Glassdoor has been an interesting read about Activision-Blizzard over the years, especially the harassment CULTure) is mid-management and how exes move in "new talent".

    Sometimes companies are too competitive that they hurt their own company morale. They seem to like Mike the most, but mid-managers and the workplace environment the reviews looked bad (even when Blizzard was hiring, not just firing).
  1. Magical Mudcrab's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree. But a lot of people on these forums think it's so easy to just leave and find another job. They also are condemning the people who were harassed for coming forward. Textbook victim blaming.
    Yeah, it has been a little disheartening seeing people pretend as though an investigation has not already occurred, advocate for disbelieving and shaming the victims, and some even going so far as to almost make "great replacement" claims regarding pursuing a more diverse staff at Blizzard. It's disgusting.
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    But there are better places.
    So you are ok with punishing victims of the crime, well that's just not how I work.

    What's worse - is many people are using this crime as an excuse to dish out more hatred for something they've already made up their mind on.

    Using the suffering of others to advance their own trivial dislike of WoW.
  1. TheRevenantHero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    Yeah, it has been a little disheartening seeing people pretend as though an investigation has not already occurred, advocate for disbelieving and shaming the victims, and some even going so far as to almost make "great replacement" claims regarding pursuing a more diverse staff at Blizzard. It's disgusting.
    I'm willing to bet it's because it's actions they partake in themselves so if this is brought to light then they might be next as things start changing for the better. Abusers will always try to protect abusers to make sure there's no chance they'll be next.
  1. Yarathir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    So you are ok with punishing victims of the crime, well that's just not how I work.

    What's worse - is many people are using this crime as an excuse to dish out more hatred for something they've already made up their mind on.

    Using the suffering of others to advance their own trivial dislike of WoW.
    Punishing the victims.. by not having them stick around with the supposed noble goal of having to rebuild the place that victimized them and instead allowing them to find a place that does respect them a bit more..

    I think it's you who might be too attached to WoW, tbh.
  1. MoanaLisa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    Those points aren't being said.
    With all due respect that was precisely what was said in the post I quoted. Make your points on someone else's post. Don't deliberately misunderstand mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Protesting in and out of game - is great, but all the people demanding the end of WoW or promoting the end of WoW because of this - they need to remember that the vast vast majority of WoW creators are victims or innocent, and throwing them under the bus along with the perpetrators - not good.
    They're just vultures that think they see a body.

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