Patch 10.1.5 Dawn of the Infinite Megadungeon Interviews

None of this sounds interesting, its like stuff we expected and is a chore we have to slog through, the sooner the patch comes and goes the better.

Originally Posted by ExtremelyCrusty

I may be mis-understanding what "Murozond will be book-ended in the dungeon" means, but does that mean we pretty much won't get any Murozond content after?

Just means he will have some kind of part or story aspect at the beginning and end of the dungeon (like bookends).
I haven’t played the PTR, or even know if the full dungeon content is out to try, to know how it ends if we will have anymore story with him. Technically, his death takes place at the End Time, so unless it gets retconned or we change something, there’s still more story they can use him for.

Originally Posted by Shadowferal

Anyone remember how insane Sunken Temple used to be?

Yes!! What a maze. Just like Wailing Caverns.

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

Yes!! What a maze. Just like Wailing Caverns.

To refresh the insanity, an old post:

Originally Posted by Kudos

I was doing some random google searching for something Wow related (might have been the name of a dungeon) and stumbled across this article. http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/l...and-raids.html

This might be purely summoned out of nostalgia. Pretty much every other dungeon I’ve featured on this list can hold its own with its design chops. They make sense, there’s a clear path forward, most people know what they’re doing, and it’s a good situation. Sunken Temple is not that. Sunken Temple is nothing close to that. It’s a mid-tier dungeon used mostly to level characters in back vanilla, but I’ve never seen something so ostensibly docile murder so many would-be adventures. The top half was stalked by the green dragonflight, who would promptly aggro and consume your healer from across the room. The basement? Trolls. Nasty, armor crunching trolls. A lot of them, too. You’d clear them room by room, glancing blow by glancing blow. You’d get to the bottom and kill the king troll, and he would never drop the boots you needed. It needs to be stated, I fucking hated the Sunken Temple. I’ve probably shed a few pubescent tears over the Sunken Temple. But as I’ve gotten older and World of Warcraft has gotten easier, those endless slogs into the darkness start to rub my pleasure centers. I mean, it’s an elaborate, cursed complex silently brooding in the bottom of a lake. It should be messy, it should be dangerous, and it most certainly shouldn’t hold your hand. The Sunken Temple is the best tough love World of Warcraft has ever administered.

It made me feel rather nostalgic when it spoke of Sunken Temple, because it echoed my sentiments about that dungeon. I HATED Sunken Temple - originally. It was intimidating, sprawling and confusing. As I spent more time there, and learnt the layout, it quickly became one of my favourites. Sadly, the old dungeon simply doesn't exist in the same was it did, which I think is a massive shame. Is there something that you once enjoyed about the game, but was lost in the Cataclysm, or in a redesign over the years? Don those Rose coloured glasses and reminisce of things now lost from the World of Warcraft.

It's the same expansions now, over and over, with new skins. At least it feels like it.

I know I will get blasted, but no matter what you say here, someone doesn't like it

Originally Posted by Aurrora

Scenarios? You mean those things we had for one expansion a decade ago?

I need to realize that I'm not talking to people who have any clue about the game and start dumbing it down to match.

The tech used for scenarios has been used in every single expansion since MoP. They've integrated it seamlessly into open world content such that you automatically phase into the scenarios without needing to queue or group for it. These are much better for telling a story because it's not content that is repeatable like Dungeons are. This allows them to be as verbose as they want with the narrative since they aren't going to have to gut it later when it becomes meaningful repeatable content.

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Originally Posted by Kilpi

But M+ is stupid and sucks. Also BRD is still one of the coolest dungeons, although level ravge wise a bit problematic.

Yeah, I think you need to take a seat kid. M+ is quite literally the most popular content in the game right now. If you don't like it, that's great, you can go be a bad player somewhere else.

BRD is a garbage dungeon where most people who remember it fondly barely ever ran it or only every heard about it from other people. 99.9% of the playerbase never ran it from start to finish because there was never a reason to but somehow that's the design they want? Something that very few people actually did?

Originally Posted by Shadowferal

To refresh the insanity, an old post:

I love this, honestly. There was a reason these dungeons were so intricate and confusing, because that's how the *were*. Then they got nerfed to make them simplified... Just like everything else.

Originally Posted by Tyris Flare

Clearing mega dungeons the 1st night is one of the best experiences in wow imo, a rare opportunity to go in blind and crawl through it with a group of friends without the pressure of a raid where you need to know everything beforehand.

I say this as someone who does a lot of m+. Megadungeons are rad

But it's not even a challenge if you are already running high end m+. You literally are going in massively overgeared and trucking the entire thing. The last megadungeon we had in SL had one unique mechanic in the entire thing and that was on the last boss. It was just a long dungeon.

In any scenario, you would be better off if they created two separate dungeons from the start and built them for M+ from the start. You could get the same exact outcome that you desire, but actually have it matter.

Originally Posted by Shadowferal

Anyone remember how insane Sunken Temple used to be?

Insane nah.. just bigger and more mobs.

I liked that version alot actually, I just made sure we had a decent tank

So Blizzard is (once again) releasing a mega dungeon that everyone will only do once until it becomes real content (M+).

If you need any proof that Blizzard doesn't play its own game, here it is.

Originally Posted by Duese

I need to realize that I'm not talking to people who have any clue about the game and start dumbing it down to match.

The tech used for scenarios has been used in every single expansion since MoP. They've integrated it seamlessly into open world content such that you automatically phase into the scenarios without needing to queue or group for it. These are much better for telling a story because it's not content that is repeatable like Dungeons are. This allows them to be as verbose as they want with the narrative since they aren't going to have to gut it later when it becomes meaningful repeatable content.

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Yeah, I think you need to take a seat kid. M+ is quite literally the most popular content in the game right now. If you don't like it, that's great, you can go be a bad player somewhere else.

BRD is a garbage dungeon where most people who remember it fondly barely ever ran it or only every heard about it from other people. 99.9% of the playerbase never ran it from start to finish because there was never a reason to but somehow that's the design they want? Something that very few people actually did?

Sure, it's popular because it's the only way to pve gear up without raids.

"I really appreciate when people go deep like that" lol did he had any idea how that sounded

Release date would be helpful

Originally Posted by Duese

I need to realize that I'm not talking to people who have any clue about the game and start dumbing it down to match.

The tech used for scenarios has been used in every single expansion since MoP. They've integrated it seamlessly into open world content such that you automatically phase into the scenarios without needing to queue or group for it. These are much better for telling a story because it's not content that is repeatable like Dungeons are. This allows them to be as verbose as they want with the narrative since they aren't going to have to gut it later when it becomes meaningful repeatable content.

So you want them to invest a ton of time and money into non-repeatable content? Brilliant, why haven't they hired you yet?

Unless I'm missing something from the sound of it the dungeon will be runnable for gear which will be upgradeable to at least 441 ilvl and maybe 447 with 10.1.5 depending on how they define "end boss heroic raid loot", it just won't be farmable like mythic+s are until it enters the rotation with the next season. Add into that a mount and trinkets and other items with proc effects that often punch above their item level I don't see a reason people wouldn't want to run it once a week.