Seeds of Renewal Zone Overview: Discover Bel'ameth

I am still disappointed that they decided to build that in the Dragon Isles.

The Night Elfs belong to Kalimdor and having them instead closer to EK just feels weird. I assume that they're building up the lore where most of northern Kalimdor basically gets controlled by the Horde.

Originally Posted by Varodoc

If anything, it made little sense that Darnassus was built so quickly, in just a couple of years. Which is why many people headcanon that Darnassus existed BEFORE the Third War and Teldrassil just uplifted the already-existing city. Because, really, to build an entire city, with many spires, towers, and even a temple of marble like Darnassus, you need more than just 4 years.
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Much more than 4 years, unless you had some impressive machinery or magic - some of the Asian cities were transformed from settlements to sprawling marble metroplis in under a decade, I think the Ashgabat redevelopment took like 5-7 years. IT is also all marble.

Actually I thought that Darnassus wasn't complete when we got there, and that it was impressive the night elves could get a city up that fast.. but then they had ancients and the knowledge from their civilization days in their older folk.. - and we mustn't forget the priest can also use magic.

Darnassus did have the look of a city that was young and n would grow and increase in time. The wood structures replaced by marble ones - and the only reason we weren't seeing it was blizzard don't update these things in general - not until a revamp, and Daranssus was notably missed in the revamp as were all bout the human, orc and forsaken cities - and the last one was pretty much the surface only.

Now I think some impressive magic can be used to build something new.. tbh.. i I think a city in the branches on platforms like the one we fight Tindral in ATDH - would probably work best, the city of the stars.

Originally Posted by Sentynel

K but WoW is still a video game.

K, and in that game a rough timeline still exists.

In D&D elves build entire cities with magic by twisting trees into buildings. Don't see why WoW Druids should not be able to do the same. I hope we will soon get Malf back and maybe he can actually do something for once and we can get a small cinematic of him regrowing an area.

The thing is, I have not seen any evidence of further building types. The main Night Elf buildings were the variations on a large tree with rooms at multiple levels; the very large one with the extensive platform encircling it and a ground, mid and top level and the smaller one with a ground and top level. These are used throughout Kalimdor and were never updated to HD like the hovel, watchtower, small inn and large inn were for Darkshore (with the Val'sharah housing being alternate concepts instead of HD versions of existing structures). I'd assume that if they had done a visual update of the large tree building (like the one in Aldrassil in the starting area), it would have leaked.

Originally Posted by Luthorite

I had a fly around on PTR earlier... Needless to say it's a bit underwhelming compared to Darnassus.

Underwhelming compared to your rose-tinted memory of a city designed in 2002/2003

I guess they had to build a new city because.. well, the other one was burned down for reasons.

Quite not sure why it should be in Dragon isle though. Wouldnt it make more sense to have it in Kalimdor? All the other cities for each race/faction is tied to EK & K, but not this one. Seems like it will just be forgotten and a token to leave behind once we move onwards to 11.0.

I get why its made, but dont think I will even bother going there.

New deserted location for ERP unlocked

dont care about zone itself - any way to gain wyrm / aspect crests from it or we can just ignore it completly and play m + ?

Originally Posted by Varodoc

What people forget is that it takes years to construct cities.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Before you had the mighty forum, the wondrous Coliseum, the beautiful temples, the astonishing statues and plazas, you had simple huts, wooden structures, humble dwellings.

If anything, it made little sense that Darnassus was built so quickly, in just a couple of years. Which is why many people headcanon that Darnassus existed BEFORE the Third War and Teldrassil just uplifted the already-existing city. Because, really, to build an entire city, with many spires, towers, and even a temple of marble like Darnassus, you need more than just 4 years.

This is obviously a work-in-progress. What they have done now is lay the groundwork of the new city, from where they can then erect the mighty temples, monuments, plazas, and statues that Kaldorei civilization is so famous for.

Perhaps, but we do not know that for certainty, nor as a definite fact.

It's been what, almost two decades, and Blizzard has still not updated the blood elf and draenei capital cities? Both the Exodar and Silvermoon have been largely forgotten, they didn't so much as play even a trivial role in Battle for Azeroth (despite being supposedly the "last bastions" of their factions' remaining power on either continent).

Even if they do update this new settlement, it might be at least another 15 years or so before they do so.

Originally Posted by Rageonit

K, and in that game a rough timeline still exists.

And also magic. Nothing says a city cannot be built / destroyed in a matter of days or weeks. Heck, look at Archimonde demolishing Dalaran in seconds to the ground using only sand and a bit of fel spice.

Originally Posted by Sentynel

And also magic. Nothing says a city cannot be built / destroyed in a matter of days or weeks. Heck, look at Archimonde demolishing Dalaran in seconds to the ground using only sand and a bit of fel spice.

Okay, so just remind me, which of the WoW mages is the one with a Conjure City spell? Surely there have to be some examples from the past...

Makes you wonder though why every other city was built from the ground when they could've used spellcraft! As soon as they use it to magically conjure the new elven city, every major faction leader will just bang his head on the wall repeating: "Why didn't we think of this?!". 100% believable, they should finally fire Danuser and hire you as the new lead narrative.

Originally Posted by lolbubble

I'm sure the 5 people that play retail will be super duper excited about this.

more than that play retail i recently abandon SoD for 2 reasons they constantly obliterated hunters and i HATED the classic levelling system, i just dont enjoy it any more so its back tp solely playing retail wow for me

Originally Posted by Nymrohd

In D&D elves build entire cities with magic by twisting trees into buildings. Don't see why WoW Druids should not be able to do the same. I hope we will soon get Malf back and maybe he can actually do something for once and we can get a small cinematic of him regrowing an area.

The thing is, I have not seen any evidence of further building types. The main Night Elf buildings were the variations on a large tree with rooms at multiple levels; the very large one with the extensive platform encircling it and a ground, mid and top level and the smaller one with a ground and top level. These are used throughout Kalimdor and were never updated to HD like the hovel, watchtower, small inn and large inn were for Darkshore (with the Val'Sharah housing being alternate concepts instead of HD versions of existing structures). I'd assume that if they had done a visual update of the large tree building (like the one in Aldrassil in the starting area), it would have leaked.

Those are night elven rural buildings, like every race has, the architecture is differnet for a city..

BECAUSE NIGHT ELVES ARE NOT DnD FOREST ELVES OR WOOD ELVES - they are night elves, blizzard making the best of the dark elf trope and the wood elf trope into one race, this is why they have a sprawling civilization and great arcane magic as well as pristine forest and great druidic magic.

You have one architecture for rural areas and another for urban areas (lke all major races in wow).. a night elf city would not be made of "TWISTED" trees, the concept is abhorrent to a druid for starters - who in Warcraft lore prefers to have forests completely undisturbed by sentient beings, like it is in the emerald dream where they help guide the evolution of the world according to the one seen in the dream.

In Warcraft, night elf druids would not want a sprawling city made out of wood, and the non-night elven druids, like the priests, wouldn't want either, priests want temples they have had and continue to have, and other? Citizens like artisans, tradesmen, craftsmen, diplomats, scholars and academics, mage types too would want cities.. and yes they are a race that have always loved nature, and not felt loving and building incredibly beautiful cities that look like cities somehow negates loving nature. They'd have civic centres and a wing that lives as a nation who would want cities, this is part of the dark elf side of the night elves - and is their core - or have you not looked at their appearance and their origin lore? IT is contrasted by the forest side which live simply and humbly tending to nature - this is not all night elves, this is druids.

Therefore night elf cities are like Zin'Azshari, Suramar, Darnassus, and Eldre'thalas, -t hey have building s of marble and stones with nature interwoven, they radiate with arcane power from either the well or Elune - take your pick - to night elves they have mostly been synonymous - the arcane is considered the goddess' power. The moonwells and Well of Eternity sacred (and so the abuse of the Highborne in Zin'Azshari was offensive and troubling to many a night elf , including Highborne less close to the Queen]

Those cities are often traditionally marked with lots of gardens, parks - you see lots of nature in roof top green/plant spaces, groves - amid properly built structures.


Because have never just been druids or just been wood elves - that's only a part of them -so you have some living in forest, and in those forests you will have the vast majority on disturbed - with one tiny settlement - with as few houses as possible, and the odd hut scattered in the forest - nothing more.

in fact I would theorise druids woudl definitely prefer non-druid night elves live in the city, and not try to make more homes and populate the city.

And no, night elves don't sleep or make home out in the open - that's not the race MO.

those who expect or want them to be that away are wanting another race, and i suggest we petition blizzard for a sylvar race, or Night elf worgen race, or a Cenarian race that doesn't have purple skin, or born from the arcane, or great development and history.

Just a generic hastily slapped together zone, the screenshots they picked make it look like garbage. They should have made it at night at least, but I guess they are day elves now.

why are horde players allowed on the new world tree when they helped burn down the old one?