Cataclysm Classic Beta Now Live

I kinda understood vanilla

But everything since then is just progressively worse, I mean if someone is genuinely going to play cataclysm again, jesus fucking christ

Still like to know how they justify deleting wotlk servers for this, just keep it fking separate.

Look at all these brave souls coming in here to let us know how much they don't like cata!

We're kind of seeing the real reason Classic fans dislike the idea of Cata Classic today in SoD with Gnomer difficulty. Classic players just don't like difficulty. Cata, (starting in Wrath with the ICC dungeons, and heroic LK), was the turning point where WoW started to actually become difficult.

A lot of the Classic Cata haters love to blame Dragon Soul and LFR for their hate, but that came at the end of the expansion. Cata was bleeding subs loooong before LFR/DS, due to the difficulty of the release content.

Dragonflight classic when?

Surely Classic will stop at a certain point?

I mean, Warlords Classic? Are we being serious right now?

The Borrowed Power Trilogy Classic? Seriously?

I'd say MoP is a good enough point to stop with Classic.

Originally Posted by Relapses

"My opinion is an objective fact"

Well then.

No. My opinion on subjective things are fact.

Originally Posted by DarkAmbient

A reminder of how the community responded to Cataclysm when it was current:

Dam I wonder what game got popular around the time…..

couldnt been league of legends or ? the Titan of gaming?

classic to woltk had no real competition in gaming

and cata still has at its worst more subs than classic and tbc lol

But now you will be like ˋ´ WAAAAAAH NUUUH WAAAAH THIS IS UNRELEATED´´

sub numbers only mean how good a version of a game is right ? nothing else can influence it like : age , competition , burn out. No no, we are simple minded , we see low number we say bad

hmmm…. wait does this mean classic era is a bad game cause all the server are empty ?

As I don't raid anyway, Cata Classic wouldn't provide anything, that isn't accessible to me now. Only well known broken character power curve around 84-85 levels.

Originally Posted by ArenaDk

Dam I wonder what game got popular around the time…..

couldnt been league of legends or ? the Titan of gaming?

classic to woltk had no real competition in gaming

and cata still has at its worst more subs than classic and tbc lol

But now you will be like ˋ´ WAAAAAAH NUUUH WAAAAH THIS IS UNRELEATED´´

sub numbers only mean how good a version of a game is right ? nothing else can influence it like : age , competition , burn out. No no, we are simple minded , we see low number we say bad

hmmm…. wait does this mean classic era is a bad game cause all the server are empty ?

The notion that it was anything but the fact of Cataclysm being unpopular on its own merits is pure copium. People had big complaints about it and they quit. Of course there will be long term trends that affect the market, but the subscriber numbers tanking so sharply tell their own story.

Originally Posted by DarkAmbient

The notion that it was anything but the fact of Cataclysm being unpopular on its own merits is pure copium. People had big complaints about it and they quit. Of course there will be long term trends that affect the market, but the subscriber numbers tanking so sharply tell their own story.

I will never get this obsession with attributing another games downturn with another game.

Nothing but design decisions caused the reversal of fortunes for WoW. Only now it's gotten to a point where from a PR sense Blizzard are at their absolute worst and DF is more a case of trying to garner goodwill back. Which if we go by critical response from forums/metacritic etc hasn't.

Originally Posted by DarkAmbient

The notion that it was anything but the fact of Cataclysm being unpopular on its own merits is pure copium. People had big complaints about it and they quit. Of course there will be long term trends that affect the market, but the subscriber numbers tanking so sharply tell their own story.

big complains like ?

Old world gone ( which are currently empty in classic servers lmao cause everyone levels with dungeon spam)

heroic dungeons being to hard

raids being to hard

dragonsoul being out for too long

that was it, use way back machine and check the forums

But i guess for classic andys having more than one thing influence a topic is just to much to think about. Anything above 1+1 =2 is witchcraft.

But hey we will see if cata can beat woltk classics ( check notes ) 1 high server population xD

Originally Posted by ArenaDk

big complains like ?

Old world gone ( which are currently empty in classic servers lmao cause everyone levels with dungeon spam)

heroic dungeons being to hard

raids being to hard

dragonsoul being out for too long

that was it, use way back machine and check the forums

But i guess for classic andys having more than one thing influence a topic is just to much to think about. Anything above 1+1 =2 is witchcraft.

But hey we will see if cata can beat woltk classics ( check notes ) 1 high server population xD

Not sure why you think Classic server numbers are relevant here. We're talking about WoW when it was current. And when it was current, Cata tanked. I don't need to use Wayback as I was there at the time and remember it well. You forgot to mention changes to the talents and Dragon Soul being a dogshit raid.

Originally Posted by DarkAmbient

Not sure why you think Classic server numbers are relevant here. We're talking about WoW when it was current. And when it was current, Cata tanked. I don't need to use Wayback as I was there at the time and remember it well. You forgot to mention changes to the talents and Dragon Soul being a dogshit raid.

You wanted to have the games be on their own merits. Todays age of gaming wont shift as much as it did back than ( outside of covid ) , so now it will rather show how mich a version of a game can stand on its own feet.

We saw classic die out slowly

tbc was always on lifesupport weeks after release

woltk is at the raidlogging phase with empty servers for a while

Since you want to ignore outside factors , this is the best comparison , even though some factors will still be left.

But as it doesnt fit your narretive, lets see how you gonna move the goal again

Cata is not classic WoW. It's the definite turning point when raids actually got difficult (thinking about heroic mode which is sort of the equivalent of current mythic) and gameplay overall is more similar to current retail than classic. Which is a good thing, but most people interested in classic will not find Cata and subsequent expansions matching their expectations and playstyle.

Everyone enjoying the Cata CBT?

I still haven't gotten a beta invite yet so no Closed Beta Test yet. Not that there's much I'd really be interested in testing, just TMog and the "New Streamlined" AH