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Originally Posted by crusadernero

Its reaching insanity levels. At one point people gotta realise this is a game, not life. I feel really, really sad for people that force themself to grind out 40 renown levels just to obtain certain items in wow. I do wonder how much they do content they dont really like doing, but they like getting the rewards.

yea, i hate this notion that certain content cant have rewards because the most deranged people will force themselves to grind it to an unhealthy degree in order to get said rewards despite hating the game mode.

Originally Posted by doledippers

yea, i hate this notion that certain content cant have rewards because the most deranged people will force themselves to grind it to an unhealthy degree in order to get said rewards despite hating the game mode.

I think theres some deeper answers to why people engage in such unhealthy behaviour, especially in MMORPGs. We see the same FOMO/Grinds in lots of games/genres today, so it has a broader reach but I would say that this is a special thing within MMORPGs. People will literally do anything if they want a item, no matter how boring they think it is. Heck, people on this very forum proclaim the pure hatred for plunderstorm and the sole reason they played it was so theyre character can look like a.. pirate.

Now sure, I have engaged in content i've considered boring in order to achieve stuff within wow, but damn. Years ago I decided not be such a player. Its way healthier. I bet alot of the online wow hatred stems from this too. Its like a bad relationship were you just cant let go, no matter how much you hate the partner.

Originally Posted by McNeil

So many people play Plunderstorm...... to get the rewards. They will land, complete the quest and leave/die for the next game. And I honestly think these people are making the majority of the games, because in most games the 60 solo's drop down to at least 20 in a matter of minutes, about the amount of time needed for them to complete the quest.

That would mean 40 are staying to play, which would be the actual majority.

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

That would mean 40 are staying to play, which would be the actual majority.

I think they meant 20, as in the other 40 dropped in for the daily and quest then absconded with as much PvP kills as they could get.

Originally Posted by Mysterymask

Please just let him scream at the void...

He really is a bad faith poster though. Not only 100% constant negativity but he only replies to people he agrees with or who agree with him, never engaging in actual discussion.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

The game has had massive grinds since vanilla.
what they are saying is if you don't like grinds, MMO maybe not for you.
Plunderstorm is a really big grind, but it is far from being wows biggest grind, FAR, there is atleast 10 longer grinds I could name for you right now.

vast majority of those grinds are not time limited and the ones that are, like "what a strange long trip it has been" are still recurring and not an ostensibly 1 time even - AND those grinds are STILL shorter. the longest grinds are mostly for clout and have minimal rewards - like for example insane grind. some grinds, again IMO should not exist in their form, like anything severely based on RNG with no bad luck protection.

however... the fact that these grinds have existed since vanilla is exactly the point. there is nothing particularly exciting about getting yet another grind, even if they sweeten it up with a bunch of extra rewards.

Originally Posted by Witchblade77

vast majority of those grinds are not time limited and the ones that are, like "what a strange long trip it has been" are still recurring and not an ostensibly 1 time even - AND those grinds are STILL shorter. the longest grinds are mostly for clout and have minimal rewards - like for example insane grind. some grinds, again IMO should not exist in their form, like anything severely based on RNG with no bad luck protection.

however... the fact that these grinds have existed since vanilla is exactly the point. there is nothing particularly exciting about getting yet another grind, even if they sweeten it up with a bunch of extra rewards.

Yes they are.
Every season gladiator mount grind is added, and it is limited time.
scarab lord was also an insane grind, and was very much limited time.

Long strange trip literally takes an entire year, and yes it is limited time, cause if you don't finish part of it, you gotta wait another entire year to try and get it again. and for some of them, they do take a LONG time.

also wow, longest grinds are mostly for clout and have minimal rewards, almost like this.

also I mean, I literally made a massive list of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7gHGkc1IZo

Originally Posted by crusadernero

Dont want to play with others and dont like grinds for rewards.
.

so I was right about your assumptions. did I say I didn't like playing with others? no. I said I don't like grinds that require organized groups, which makes pugging them painful. and if you think time limited grinds are something to get excited about, I don't know what to tell you....

grind that can be done at your own pace and is more of a side effect rather then seemingly main component - is very different from hyping up something that ends up a boring, generic grind that has to be finished within specific time period in order to gain rewards from it

Originally Posted by Witchblade77

so I was right about your assumptions. did I say I didn't like playing with others? no. I said I don't like grinds that require organized groups, which makes pugging them painful. and if you think time limited grinds are something to get excited about, I don't know what to tell you....

grind that can be done at your own pace and is more of a side effect rather then seemingly main component - is very different from hyping up something that ends up a boring, generic grind that has to be finished within specific time period in order to gain rewards from it

Sure, I do agree that its a negative that this event+rewards are limited. But lets not kid ourself. This is not some insane gigagrind that required 24/7 dedication, skill and effort to obtain. It will last 6+ weeks and im willing to bet they will boost renown gain a couple of weeks before it ends. Also, this is supposed to be a game. If you dont find it fun, just dont bother doing it. Do not suffer yourself through 40 renown levels if you hate all of it only to obtain a outfit to look like a pirate. If you REALLY gotta do it, play it now and again.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

Yes they are.
Every season gladiator mount grind is added, and it is limited time.
scarab lord was also an insane grind, and was very much limited time.

Long strange trip literally takes an entire year, and yes it is limited time, cause if you don't finish part of it, you gotta wait another entire year to try and get it again. and for some of them, they do take a LONG time.

also wow, longest grinds are mostly for clout and have minimal rewards, almost like this.

also I mean, I literally made a massive list of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7gHGkc1IZo

this is the grind that has multiple costumes, mounts and pets and ONE. TIME. ONLY - long strange trip is repeatable and individual parts are relatively short grinds in their own right. I will give you glad grind, but for a single mount, something that is NOT geared for a casual player - is a very different beast.

the reason to bring up minimal rewards is they are advertising something as this exciting thing, but all it is is yet another grind. just with more rewards to encourage more people to participate. what exactly is there to get excited about?

at least pre-expansion events which could in theory be considered "grinds" are relatively quick to complete for main rewards and any further grind you do - is because you felt like it for whatever reason, not because you felt compelled to or to miss out on something unique.

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Originally Posted by crusadernero

Sure, I do agree that its a negative that this event+rewards are limited. But lets not kid ourself. This is not some insane gigagrind that required 24/7 dedication, skill and effort to obtain. It will last 6+ weeks and im willing to bet they will boost renown gain a couple of weeks before it ends. Also, this is supposed to be a game. If you dont find it fun, just dont bother doing it. Do not suffer yourself through 40 renown levels if you hate all of it only to obtain a outfit to look like a pirate. If you REALLY gotta do it, play it now and again.

yes, yes, I get it, but what I'm trying to say is - in what world is this ANYTHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT??? which was the main point of my post. its the same old thing under a flimsy coat of paint, but they are pushing it like some sort of amazing innovation.

Originally Posted by PenguinChan

I think they meant 20, as in the other 40 dropped in for the daily and quest then absconded with as much PvP kills as they could get.

I misread, fair.
It's not my experience personally, usually theres still 40 running around and then it starts to slow down in deaths.

Originally Posted by Witchblade77

this is the grind that has multiple costumes, mounts and pets and ONE. TIME. ONLY - long strange trip is repeatable and individual parts are relatively short grinds in their own right. I will give you glad grind, but for a single mount, something that is NOT geared for a casual player - is a very different beast.

the reason to bring up minimal rewards is they are advertising something as this exciting thing, but all it is is yet another grind. just with more rewards to encourage more people to participate. what exactly is there to get excited about?

at least pre-expansion events which could in theory be considered "grinds" are relatively quick to complete for main rewards and any further grind you do - is because you felt like it for whatever reason, not because you felt compelled to or to miss out on something unique.

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yes, yes, I get it, but what I'm trying to say is - in what world is this ANYTHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT??? which was the main point of my post. its the same old thing under a flimsy coat of paint, but they are pushing it like some sort of amazing innovation.

wait what? "Multiple costumes, mounts, and pets."
Why do you say it like that? it only gives 2 outfits, and one of them is basic af commoner clothing, it also only gives 1 mount, and 2 pets...

Also again, ONE TIME ONLY. Not only do we know it will not be one time only, we also know that there has been many in the past like this.

for example, a legendary, unique, one of a kind mount, available one time only, and that was all the way back in 2005.


"Exciting thing, but all it is is yet another grind"
It is an exciting thing though... to you it may be just a grind, but that does not mean it is "just a grind".

Plunderstorm looked like a solid first start into some cool content that incorporates the WoW theme. Even better with the mounts and other items you can obtain if you want. Looking forward to more cool content being made.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

I would say a legendary unique one of a kind mount, ONE TIME ONLY, is more interesting then ... wait what? "Multiple costumes, mounts, and pets."
Why do you say it like that? it only gives 2 outfits, and one of them is basic af commoner clothing, it also only gives 1 mount, and 2 pets...

Also again, ONE TIME ONLY. Not only do we know it will not be one time only, we also know that there has been many in the past like this.

for example, a legendary, unique, one of a kind mount, available one time only, and that was all the way back in 2005.


"Exciting thing, but all it is is yet another grind"
It is an exciting thing though... to you it may be just a grind, but that does not mean it is "just a grind".

2 sets of outfits is multiple, dragonriding mount, old school flying mount that are very unique looking, underwater mount, 750 plunder - which is pretty darn unique in itself, weapon appearances, pet... those are exciting, sure. but the content itself that they hyped up some much? is just diet battle royale. its not innovative. THE PLAYABLE CONTENT is not worth the hype IMO.

Originally Posted by Witchblade77

2 sets of outfits is multiple, dragonriding mount, old school flying mount that are very unique looking, underwater mount, 750 plunder - which is pretty darn unique in itself, weapon appearances, pet... those are exciting, sure. but the content itself that they hyped up some much? is just diet battle royale. its not innovative. THE PLAYABLE CONTENT is not worth the hype IMO.

Oh did not realize there is a version of the "basic parrot mount" in retail and classic.
also i dont think its "very unique looking" speaking it is a recolour of a mount we have been able to get 2 versions of since BFA.
Underwater mount, a recolour of one we have like 4 of already from BFA.
750 plunder yeah sure.
and yeah those are all exciting. but they are still NOTHING to some of the grinds of the past.

And why did they hype it up so much? even if it is a diet battle royal? cause it is A BATTLE ROYAL IN WOW.
that is insane, because now that this is in the game, they can make so much with it, do you even realize what these things mean?
For example did you even realize how cool it is they got a spectator mode working? imagine how cool it would be in arena or raid fights to spectate your allies while you are dead.
Nevermind they have shown these "internal game jams" they have done for awhile work, and they make amazing things, season of discovery was one too, and so we may have a vampire survivors mode soon, or really any other game genre, because it shows blizz as trying new things with wow.

it is innovatice, and the playable content IS worth the hype, just cause you don't like something does not mean others also do not.
plunderstorm has been huge, so much so it has even escaped the wow scene.

Just cause you do not like PVP, does not mean blizz should never ever make PVP stuff, to want some is extremly toxic.
"I don't like it, therefore it should not be made."
Just cause you do not like chocolate, does not mean no one likes it.

Originally Posted by Pissegreat

Based on what exactly? The number of players playing? Well ALOT of them just wanted the transmog in the game they ACTUALLY want to play but felt forced to play plunderstorm to get it - Felt forced to play another game entirely.
This is me included - I did the grind in two days hating every part of it, but just wanted a cool pirate set for my outlaw rogue.

Vocal minority thinks they are not a minority

Originally Posted by FelPlague

Oh did not realize there is a version of the "basic parrot mount" in retail and classic.
also i dont think its "very unique looking" speaking it is a recolour of a mount we have been able to get 2 versions of since BFA.
Underwater mount, a recolour of one we have like 4 of already from BFA.
750 plunder yeah sure.
and yeah those are all exciting. but they are still NOTHING to some of the grinds of the past.

And why did they hype it up so much? even if it is a diet battle royal? cause it is A BATTLE ROYAL IN WOW.
that is insane, because now that this is in the game, they can make so much with it, do you even realize what these things mean?
For example did you even realize how cool it is they got a spectator mode working? imagine how cool it would be in arena or raid fights to spectate your allies while you are dead.
Nevermind they have shown these "internal game jams" they have done for awhile work, and they make amazing things, season of discovery was one too, and so we may have a vampire survivors mode soon, or really any other game genre, because it shows blizz as trying new things with wow.

it is innovatice, and the playable content IS worth the hype, just cause you don't like something does not mean others also do not.
plunderstorm has been huge, so much so it has even escaped the wow scene.

Just cause you do not like PVP, does not mean blizz should never ever make PVP stuff, to want some is extremly toxic.
"I don't like it, therefore it should not be made."
Just cause you do not like chocolate, does not mean no one likes it.

spectator mode - sure fair enough, but I'm sorry, its not a battle royal in wow - its battle royal diet, using wow skins, but is still a completely separate mode. other then getting spectator mode working in wow, the mode itself is I'm sorry - nothing special.

and given this as an example, the future mode they are hyping (which btw is advertised as a pve mode) I don't think is going to be a particularly exciting mode either, but if you are excited - more power to you.

but in any case, it all started with you all telling me that I shouldn't play MMOs because I don't find grinds particularly exciting. because that's all there is to MMO's... grinds.... coincidentally I don't consider story questing or running dungeons/raids/battlegrounds for the purpose of experiencing them rather then doing them over and over and over for one particular reward to be grinds in case you are wondering

Originally Posted by Witchblade77

spectator mode - sure fair enough, but I'm sorry, its not a battle royal in wow - its battle royal diet, using wow skins, but is still a completely separate mode. other then getting spectator mode working in wow, the mode itself is I'm sorry - nothing special.

and given this as an example, the future mode they are hyping (which btw is advertised as a pve mode) I don't think is going to be a particularly exciting mode either, but if you are excited - more power to you.

but in any case, it all started with you all telling me that I shouldn't play MMOs because I don't find grinds particularly exciting. because that's all there is to MMO's... grinds.... coincidentally I don't consider story questing or running dungeons/raids/battlegrounds for the purpose of experiencing them rather then doing them over and over and over for one particular reward to be grinds in case you are wondering

It is a battle royal in wow, nothing you can say changes that.
And yes, the game is full of much bigger grinds, ones that are not "questing" but stuff like farming the same mobs for hours.

Guys shut up about the PvP slander
She said on blue post the next big announcement will be PvE...so imagine something as innovative (to wow, not to the gaming genre) as Plunderstorm but PvE!
Is probably gonna be insane too.

Plunderstorm made me install Fortnite again. . . I'm unsure if that means it's a pretty okay battle royal, but just lacking compared to the seasoned options (never got into pubg), but I only got to renown 3 before I wanted to play fortnite instead.

I'd say it's a success, since I'd assume not everyone vibes with BR games, but I was playing them a lot 5-6 years ago, so revisiting them was a weird surprise that burnt out a lot quicker than expected, but it's definitely held back by not being stand-alone IMO.