Cataclysm Currency Changes Explained

Update - Added today's Blue posts.

Cataclysm Currency Changes Explained
In a nutshell:
  • Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost will be converted into Justice Points.
  • All PvE emblems and badges below Frost and Triumph will be converted into gold. This even includes legacy badges, like Badges of Justice.
  • Arena Points, Honor Points, any leftover Battleground Marks of Honor, Stone Keeper's Shards, Venture Coins, and Spirit Shards will be converted into the new Honor Points.
  • Rated Arenas and Rated Battlegrounds won't be available again until Season 9 (shortly after the release of Cataclysm), when they can be entered to win the higher-tier PvP Conquest Points.

Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker)
As we discussed in our previous announcement (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=24401796793), we're refining the currency systems used for purchasing PvE and PvP items in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, and the transition to this new system will take place in two stages. Today, we're going into more detail on how these changes will be rolled out, so if you haven't yet, make sure to check out the prior article to get up to speed on the currency names.

One change of note since that original announcement is that we've changed the name of the low-tier PvE currency from Hero Points to Justice Points. The original announcement post has been updated to reflect this.

Out With the Old

In the upcoming 4.0 patch we'll begin the first stage of the conversion to the new currencies. Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost will be converted into Justice Points. For this initial conversion there will be a soft cap of points you can have, with a hard cap enforced later as detailed below. All PvE emblems and badges below Frost and Triumph will be converted into gold. This even includes legacy badges, like Badges of Justice. If any of these older currencies are converted into gold, the player will receive it through an in-game letter.

At this time any bosses a player defeats that are level-appropriate to them (and previously awarded badges or emblems upon defeat) will award them with the new Justice Points. Similarly, any items that previously cost emblems or badges of any type will now cost Justice Points instead.

On the PvP side, Season 8 will end with the release of patch 4.0, and all Arena Points, Honor Points, any leftover Battleground Marks of Honor, Stone Keeper's Shards, Venture Coins, and Spirit Shards will be converted into the new Honor Points. The new Honor Point pool will also have a soft cap for these conversions, but a hard cap will be enforced later. At the time of conversion, items that previously cost Honor or Arena Points will be sold in exchange for the new Honor Points. Rated Arenas and Rated Battlegrounds won't be available again until Season 9 (shortly after the release of Cataclysm), when they can be entered to win the higher-tier PvP Conquest Points.

In addition, purchasing any item with these secondary currencies (Honor Points and Justice Points) will now require that the purchaser meet the item's minimum level requirement.

It's important to note that these conversions are not 1:1, but are indicative of the level and relative worth of each before the conversion to the new point systems. For example, Stone Keeper's Shards will convert into more Honor Points than Spirit Shards.

Tip of the Cap

While we previously announced that there's a limit to the amount of these new currencies you can stockpile, we're providing a grace period in the form of a soft cap. This soft cap will allow the initial conversion to push the amount owned over the cap, but will not allow any further points to be earned (or returned through item refunds) until enough points are spent to put you below the hard cap.

For instance, a player has 3000 Emblems of Triumph, and 1200 Emblems of Frost; at the time of conversion they'll be given 4200 Justice Points. The hard cap for Justice Points is 4000, so that player won't be able to earn any more Justice Points until he or she spends enough points to reduce the total to under 4000. This also applies to the new PvP Honor Points, which also have a cap of 4000.

Shortly before Cataclysm is released, another patch will enforce the hard cap, marking the second stage of the currency conversion. Any Justice or Honor Points above the hard cap will be converted to gold, and just like in the first stage of the conversion, the player will receive an in-game letter explaining that some of their currencies were converted into gold as well as delivering the gold itself.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Cataclysm Dungeons Difficulty
We want dungeons to be challenging. Not brutal, but challenging. Yes, trying to get us to change our minds on that is going to take some pretty spectacular debate skills on your part given just how much feedback we've received on it over the past year or so. But you can try to explain to us what it is about more challenging 5-player dungeons that threatens you, or what you dislike, and we can try to accommodate you. For example, the dungeons aren't going to be four hour trash-clearing fests like Heroic Shadow Labyrinth. Likewise, we're not going to ask healers to sit on their hands for long stretches of time for fear of wasting mana, because everyone has an efficient spell they can use when nobody is in imminent danger. On the other hand, if you just hate the idea of healers having a resource at all, well that goes against the design of the game. (Source)

Archaeology
There is definitely a large component of Archaeology which should be very attractive to completionists. It's quite awesome though. I think it'll add a lot of flavor to the game without necessarily being one of those "must have X" professions/skills/abilities.

Allowing you to explore some ruins in Azeroth you may have otherwise overlooked and learn more about this world's rich history is something we're very excited about. It has elements that feel a bit like questing, but you have much more freedom to choose how and when you want to explore the world for new artifacts. It's been set up to allow for a fairly simple expansion of content over time as well, so we look forward to giving digging deeper into Archaeology in the future. (Source)

PvP Balancing in 4.0.1 and Arena Season
When the class changes go live, damage is going to be very high relative to health for level 80 characters. We are spending most our PvP balancing effort at level 85, since that by far is what matters most to players. The health pools at 85, decaying combat ratings (because you'll be going from tier 3 gear to tier 0 gear), extra talent points and the 3 new abilities make a huge difference overall.

Since the current PvP season will end when these changes go live, they shouldn't have a lasting impact on ratings, titles and the like. We are prepared to just drop a temporary player damage nerf on all BGs and Arenas if necessary just so things don't feel too silly until everyone can level up to 85.

How things feel at 85 is of far more importance to us. We fully expect to see a lot of posts from freaked out players who imagine 85 will feel just like 80, but it won't. The gain in survivability is substantial. (Source)

Resilience Rating in 4.0.1
20% less damage taken overall by players, pets, minions.
For now, just imagine that it's N less damage taken. The salient point is that resilience will no longer affect crit chance. We don't like the crit (and talents based on crits, etc.) are devalued in high resilience environments.

Health pools grow enormously going from level 80 to 85. Resilience needs to be strong enough that it's still an attractive stat for PvP gear, but you won't blow up in one or two globals* even with low resilience.

* - If you let someone build up towards one of their very powerful attacks, then you deserve what you get. But you shouldn't need to worry about dying the second combat starts unless you're decently outnumbered. (Source)

Shaman (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Enhancement Changes
In our current Cataclysm build, we have cut the Primal Wisdom talent (and give it as part of the Enhancement passive) and reduced Unleashed Rage from 3 to 2 ranks, but with the same overall effect. That should take care of the extra talent points that the tree seemed to have.

We are still working on making the Searing Totem a little smarter. (Source)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Cataclysm Currency Changes Explained started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2010-09-14 04:07 PM
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  1. Shadowfury's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by evoker View Post
    One wonders, do people actually read these days?
    Yes,i guess i missed that when i was reading it first time,ty

    I have something else on my mind but its better for me to wait and see what will happen actually.
  1. Nilesy's Avatar
    Guess I'll need to buy the heirloom gear asap!
  1. Collected's Avatar
    Wait how does this impact heirloom gear? I was going to get gear ready for new alts!
  1. notanarrogantwizard's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by NefariousNinja View Post
    Here's what one of my characters was able to get (no unused currency, just the 0/0 for all outdated pvp badges):

    ----> + +

    so an emblem of heroism gives 5g50s and a badge of justice gives exactly 1/3 of that (489g41s10c / 267 = 1g83s3c)

    anyone with information about emblem of valor or conquest?
  1. Nilesy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    Wait how does this impact heirloom gear? I was going to get gear ready for new alts!
    As far as I am aware, all of the old heirloom gear is going to be priced with the new emblems. Meaning, you will need to buy heirloom gear with the same currency you will probably be buying the new tiers with.

    In the end meaning it'll be a lot harder to buy the heirloom gear then than it is now.
  1. Blonk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nilesy View Post
    As far as I am aware, all of the old heirloom gear is going to be priced with the new emblems. Meaning, you will need to buy heirloom gear with the same currency you will probably be buying the new tiers with.

    In the end meaning it'll be a lot harder to buy the heirloom gear then than it is now.
    No, triumphs and frosts are liquidated into a single unit. You know, triumphs, those things you get from every single boss-type mob in the game.
  1. Blaupunkt's Avatar
    # All PvE emblems and badges below Frost and Triumph will be converted into gold. This even includes legacy badges, like Badges of Justice.
    Exactly how will this be converted?

    Edit: let's ask another question then "Triumph and Frost" how much will they give?
  1. Nilesy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blonk View Post
    No, triumphs and frosts are liquidated into a single unit. You know, triumphs, those things you get from every single boss-type mob in the game.
    My point still stands. Buy the gear *now* with the old emblems which are easy to come by before you need to spend some of the new Cataclysm emblems (which you will be using on tier games) on them.

    Now: x heirloom gear will cost y amount of Frost badges.
    Cata: x heirloom gear will cost y amount of Justice Points.

    In Cataclysm, you'll be buying gear/tiers/upgrades with Justice Points. As it stands in WoTLK, you spend Frost etc on... gems. So, my point as I said, is to buy heirloom gear *now* so that you don't have to spend Justice Points in them in Cataclysm, as you'll need them for other things.
  1. w00faz's Avatar
    Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost will be converted into Justice Points.

    Does this mean frosts+triumph = justice? and thus frosts=triumph?
  1. shotter's Avatar
    resilence nerfed! yesh!
  1. Riavan's Avatar
    I have heard the line "things arn't meant to be balanced now, but instead at the level cap" every expansion and it never comes to fruition. If skills were purely percentage based and worked out properly, damage should scale relevatively similar to an extent at all levels.
  1. Mantús's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by w00faz View Post
    Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost will be converted into Justice Points.

    Does this mean frosts+triumph = justice? and thus frosts=triumph?
    Frost + Triumph = justice

    Triumph = Justice - Frost


    just to tease you
  1. mmoc46d18d2db1's Avatar
    Nothing you do before lvl85 can have any affect on what you can do at lvl85. It is nothing they have done before, just look at what have been done with arena/honor points going from 70 to 80. My bet is that once you reach lvl 85 all of your Justice points get reset, just like your honor points do. This is to make sure everyone has an equal start. With the added limit on what you can buy, to what you can actually use, this guarantees the start to be equal for all. But please try to outsmart GC, and get a headstart by stockpiling worthless crap. The only thing that will carry over is gold.
  1. mmocdf0dbb5ecb's Avatar
    Looking forward to the mass gold income from those emblems
  1. mmoc5f0ae10f8f's Avatar
    Hi all,

    alot of posts here, i've read them all and it seems pretty straigth forward:


    PVE
    - Emblems of triumph convert into justice points 1:1
    - The justice points can be used to buy badge gear (doesn't matter what type)

    PVP
    - Honor points and other alike currencies will be changed into Honor Points ()
    - You can buy pvp gear with it

    They only of which i'm not sure is:

    Can you buy full wrathfull with these honor points without the appropriate are requirement?
    Wrathfull items I mean weapons and armor,

    Can someone please confirm this?

    Br,

    Zampaman
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nilesy View Post
    My point still stands. Buy the gear *now* with the old emblems which are easy to come by before you need to spend some of the new Cataclysm emblems (which you will be using on tier games) on them.

    Now: x heirloom gear will cost y amount of Frost badges.
    Cata: x heirloom gear will cost y amount of Justice Points.

    In Cataclysm, you'll be buying gear/tiers/upgrades with Justice Points. As it stands in WoTLK, you spend Frost etc on... gems. So, my point as I said, is to buy heirloom gear *now* so that you don't have to spend Justice Points in them in Cataclysm, as you'll need them for other things.
    You're not going to buy Cataclysm Tier gear with Justice points. Valor points will be the currency for raid (tier) level gear.

    Right now, blizzard is alread downgrading Emblem of Frost Value to Triumph level, think about it as if we got a new raid tier and frost became the current low level drop, but we don't have a way to get the new raid tier gear and emblems until raiding at level 85.

    If they don't wipe the new justice/honor points (I think they'll, just like current arena point system, since this new system makes emblems/honor work like arena points wich they don't want us to farm to buy new "top" gear right at day 1 of a new expansion or raid patch), they are probably setting the current "max" points very low compared to what it will be when Cata launches, so people won't be able to store that many points needed to buy lvl 85 cataclysm heroic level gear/heroic pvp gear (not raiding gear and rated bg/arena gear).

    Also you'll only be able to buy lvl 85 gear AT lvl 85, so if the max cap remains the same, we'll probably end wasting tons of Justice points because we reached the max cap until we are lvl 85 and meet the criteria to buy it.
  1. mmoc5f0ae10f8f's Avatar
    Can you buy full wrathfull with these honor points without the appropriate arena-rating requirement?
    Wrathfull items I mean weapons and armor,

    Can someone please confirm this?
  1. Collected's Avatar
    I agree with Nilesy. Spending any points post Cataclysm release on heirloom gear for alts is crazy. Far better to use the points on Cataclysm gear and get the Heirloom gear before release.
  1. Solstark's Avatar
    Me like.
  1. mmoc5f0ae10f8f's Avatar
    Can you buy full wrathfull with these honor points without the appropriate arena-rating requirement?
    Wrathfull items I mean weapons and armor,
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