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Cataclysm Currency Changes Formula
Originally Posted by Vaneras (Blue Tracker)
Here's some information on how each of the currencies will be converted in the next content patch. Keep in mind these values may change, and they can get a bit math heavy. Just know that our intent is to appropriately value each mark and provide a conversion we feel is fair.

The following items are immediately converted to gold:


  • Emblem of Heroism = 5.5 gold each
  • Emblem of Valor = 5.5 gold each
  • Emblem of Conquest = 5.5 gold each
  • Badge of Justice = 1.833 gold each

Your New Honor Points total will be the sum of the following amounts:


  • Old Honor * 0.024
  • Old Arena Points * 0.85
  • Battleground Mark of Honor * 2.976
  • Wintergrasp Mark of Honor * 19.08
  • Stone Keeper Shard * 1.6
  • Venture Coin * 3
  • Spirit Shard * 1

Your Justice Points total will be equal to (Emblems of Triumph + Emblems of Frost ) * 2.75

Again, the softcap for both Honor and Justice conversions is 4000 points. This means that if a character converts to above 4,000 points, it will not be possible for them to earn more until they fall below the 4,000 cap.

A hardcap will be implemented in a following patch before Cataclysm's release. At that time, any excess points above 4,000 will be converted as follows:


  • Honor points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 35 silver per point of Honor.
  • Justice points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 2 gold per point of Justice.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Cataclysm Currency Changes Formula started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 237 Comments
  1. mmocffb391c945's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Airath View Post
    There is no known emblem cap!

    I knowz, but 300 emblems aint a bad ammount and it was eazy to calculate
  1. hatterson's Avatar
    If you're on a server where you have WG all the time (like horde on my server). Each clear of a heroic is worth between 19 and 38 new honor points simply from stone keeper shard conversion.

    That's equivalent of 791-1583 old honor points

    Seems a little high to me considering that I don't PVP and will be at almost half the cap simply from stone keeper shards.
  1. GhostSkull's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedpissah View Post
    Stop trading your Wintergrasp Marks of Honor for Wintergrasp Commendations. You'll get more honor from the mark conversion than the honor conversion (if I did my math correctly). 171 new honor for 9 commendations vs. 48 new honor for the 2000 old honor. EDIT: Grats to the guy who said he had 4000 venture coins yesterday!
    The favorable conversion rates suggests that Blizz wants to popularize Venture Co. and Wintergrasp as training for Tol Barad. I almost bought Marks of Honor last week. I'm glad I held off, but it'll be a moot point if there isn't anything new to buy with Honor points.
  1. mmoca7e015c5d9's Avatar
    Does anyone know how much Justice Points will a "frost item" cost ?
  1. Spotnick's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mewt666 View Post
    so emblems of frost have the same value as emblems of triumph ? what bullshit
    This is just to allow everybody to buy the frost gwar in patch 4.0

    Farm triumph now, buy t10 later.
  1. Chao's Avatar
    A lot of you dont seem to get it. "Justice Points" are only here for the sole reason to give you currency from the time that 4.0.1 to the time that Cata comes out and you can level to 85. That way they can convert to the new system without you being unable to buy anything until you get into Cata dungeons. Justice Points wont be able to buy anything new in Cataclysm. Items that cost emblems right now will cost the equivalent in points. The new system is just so that you can store more "badges" that can be automatically downgraded when a new tier comes out. That means no stockpiling for when fresh gear comes out.
  1. row's Avatar
    Those conversion rates aren't that good. Nice if you have old emblems sitting around but no where near good enough to farm old instances for gold. Far too low gold per hour there. Better off spending them on gems they sell for more than you would get out of this.
  1. Spotnick's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    This is just to allow everybody to buy the frost gwar in patch 4.0

    Farm triumph now, buy t10 later.
    From memory, a trinket was 763 points or something on the PTR...
  1. hatterson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chao View Post
    A lot of you dont seem to get it. "Justice Points" are only here for the sole reason to give you currency from the time that 4.0.1 to the time that Cata comes out and you can level to 85. That way they can convert to the new system without you being unable to buy anything until you get into Cata dungeons. Justice Points wont be able to buy anything new in Cataclysm. Items that cost emblems right now will cost the equivalent in points. The new system is just so that you can store more "badges" that can be automatically downgraded when a new tier comes out. That means no stockpiling for when fresh gear comes out.
    This is direct from bliz
    Here's the breakdown:

    PvE
    Hero Points -- Low-tier, easier-to-get PVE points. Maximum cap to how many you can own, but no cap to how quickly you can earn them. Earned from most dungeons. (most like the current Emblem of Triumph)
    Valor Points -- High-tier, harder-to-get PvE points. Maximum cap to how many you can own, as well as a cap to how many you can earn per week. Earned from Dungeon Finder daily Heroic and from raids. (most like the current Emblem of Frost)
    Since then they re-named Hero points to Justice points but the point is still the same. It's clear that Justice points are the new Triumph emblems and Valor points are the new Frost emblems.

    I have no doubt they'll increase the cap once cata hits and have the cata gear priced higher (so you don't cap out at 80 and then have a full set as soon as you ding 85), but you'll certainly be able to use the same currency to buy level 85 gear.
  1. Lemons's Avatar
    Holy shit kids...they're converting over old arena points!? Finally that giant pile of worthlessness will be given a purpose! I hope they do that every changeover because it's awesome.

    I'm gunna be slightly richer! Hooray!
  1. mmocb53c2a1ef1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Recom View Post
    Does anyone know how much Justice Points will a "frost item" cost ?
    ptr says 1100 JP for a T10 helmet. source should be trustful. this means the whole thing smells like ripoff to me because the helmet would cost 400 emblems then

    but anyone might feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
  1. petrefax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chao View Post
    A lot of you dont seem to get it. "Justice Points" are only here for the sole reason to give you currency from the time that 4.0.1 to the time that Cata comes out and you can level to 85. That way they can convert to the new system without you being unable to buy anything until you get into Cata dungeons. Justice Points wont be able to buy anything new in Cataclysm. Items that cost emblems right now will cost the equivalent in points. The new system is just so that you can store more "badges" that can be automatically downgraded when a new tier comes out. That means no stockpiling for when fresh gear comes out.
    Valor points represent the currency for the current tier of raiding (ie, when T13 comes out we'll use Valor points to buy it)
    Justice points represent the currency for the previous tier of raiding (ie, when T13 comes out we'll be able to use Justice points to buy T12)

    Nothing has yet been said about what the Cata heroics/T11 raids will give you. So you can't say for sure what you can or can't use them for.
  1. Sparkymisslecat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    This is just to allow everybody to buy the frost gwar in patch 4.0 Farm triumph now, buy t10 later.
    Exactly.

    The only benefit to stockpiling badges now (albeit a good one) is to buy a some more pieces of Frost gear a few weeks before the expansion hits. Which means basically everyone is going to be leveling in Frost gear. Talk about a gear-reset!
  1. mvaliz's Avatar
    Can anybody tell me if the Commendation Badges from WG still exist? Theoretically it would be 48 honor points... but can anybody confirm that they are in the PTR?
  1. tresser's Avatar
    This is good to know, because i have been dumping all my Heroism's (by way of Triumph's) into buying and selling gems on the cheap. With this current gold/token, red/blue/yellow gems are "worth" 82.5g. and the market keeps dropping. better off for me to hold onto the badges now.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Homeschool View Post
    Except, if you run with a group of 5 people, you EACH get 8g. Can't fix the solo value without granting 5 badges per boss, regardless of attendance.
    Yes, but at the same time you get 5 times LESS other loot. Even if you manage to do 5 heroics per hour (which is entered instace cap per hour outside dungeon tool!), it is a laughable 40 gold.

    The point is 1.8g per BoJ is good if you have some left over from TBC or leveling through random level 70 heroics, but nowhere close to worth farming them now.
  1. Sparkymisslecat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hatterson View Post
    I have no doubt they'll increase the cap once cata hits and have the cata gear priced higher (so you don't cap out at 80 and then have a full set as soon as you ding 85), but you'll certainly be able to use the same currency to buy level 85 gear.
    People - think about it. Does it make ANY sense that I could stockpile /faceroll content for a few weeks right now and then cash it all in for level 85 gear? No. Does it make any sense that I could convert old Alterac Valley tokens I collected 3 years ago to get ilvl300+ gear? No.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but thats not how it will work.

    Justice points let us buy the stuff in game right now. Valor points buy the new Cata gear, and none of us have any yet.
  1. Naoto's Avatar
    Wow, what a retarded thing Blizzard are doing here, 50 conq badges gives 275g? lol I guess I'll make my warrior prot again and farm the shit out of heroics between now and Cata and make a ton of gold? god knows how much triumph are going to give my warrior has about 140g I guess that's close to 600g for them? bollocks tbh, when you consider people raiding constantly have probably stacked up masses of emblems then they are walking away with thousands of gold, for what?
  1. Sadew's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedpissah View Post
    Stop trading your Wintergrasp Marks of Honor for Wintergrasp Commendations. You'll get more honor from the mark conversion than the honor conversion (if I did my math correctly). 171 new honor for 9 commendations vs. 48 new honor for the 2000 old honor.

    EDIT: Grats to the guy who said he had 4000 venture coins yesterday!
    Yeah there's really no point this late in the game anyway better to just hold em.
  1. Mendol's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkymisslecat View Post
    Exactly.

    The only benefit to stockpiling badges now (albeit a good one) is to buy a some more pieces of Frost gear a few weeks before the expansion hits. Which means basically everyone is going to be leveling in Frost gear. Talk about a gear-reset!
    I'm going to be a bit blunt here, but you guys don't seem terribly good with math.

    The T10 helm (iLvL 251) costs 1100 justice points.

    A triumph badge converts into ~3 justice points. You need about 350-400 triumph badges to buy one piece of T10 gear.

    That's (about) 80 random heroics. For one piece of gear. About 250-300 full random heroic runs for 4pc10.

    At 15mins a piece, that's 70-80 hours of running random heroics.

    All for gear that's going to be replaced with your first quest rewards and/or green drops.

    Clearly, not a winning strategy.

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