Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BeerWolf View Post
    Who in their right mind would pay those JP amounts for one... ? Time it takes to get enough JP you could've farmed a ton more yourself in more conventional farming methods....
    I have 4000 JP. There is nothing I can currently buy with JP. I run the daily heroic for VP.. I know that in 2 hours, I´m going to be running a heroic dungeon and will not be earning JP because I am at the cap now. Same thing for tomorrow, and the next day.. and the next day.

    Get it through your thick heads... these vendors were NOT added as an alternative farming source. Yes, we know, you can farm all of these items faster than you can earn the JP to buy them... These vendors were added ONLY for people who are at the JP cap. They were NOT added for a way to farm the materials. The devs, and about 100 people in this thread, have already stated this clear as day.
  1. mmocaba1459261's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tenub View Post
    Why would I spend 1200 JP on a Heavenly Shard when I can spend 950 JP on one blue item and disenchant it into a guaranteed Heavenly Shard? At least make sense with your prices Blizzard..
    or earn guaranteed 85 gold (112g) just by buying and selling raw (cut) gems.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daylosprime View Post
    The one thing people really want/need to buy are the Chaos Orbs and they aren't here. Maybe they'll pull their heads out of the asses and add them before the patch goes live. Very, VERY disappointing if that's what they plan to go live with.
    Chaos orbs are still where they are supposed to be: they drop from endbosses of HC dungeons.
  1. Wonderdrug's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Danner View Post
    The cost of cloth seems awfully high compared to the other stuff. Farming 20 cloth takes around 5 minutes. Farming two heavenly shards or 20 ores is a whole lot more work.
    It usually takes me 10 min to get 60-80 ore on my Twilight Highlands circuit (Not including the 10 or so Pyrite I pick up).

    So yah, I think the Ore price is pretty steep, but it's better than nothing.
  1. Brett Skullcrack's Avatar
    So Blizzard is basically making Paragon pay to test their unfinished content. If Blizzard had any moral spine they'd at least waive Paragon's monthly fees.
  1. Faethor's Avatar
    I've been sitting at the 4k cap for 2 weeks now. I already bought all the Heirloom items for an alt that I can use, and need nothing for my main from JP.
    I run at least one heroic a day for the VP, and the JP are just going to waste. This will give me something to spend them on.
    Yes, they are extremely expensive.
    Yes, you can get these mats a lot quicker than running dungeons for points.
    Yes, they will never be bought by some people.

    These items are meant to be a JP dump only. They aren't meant to supply your toon with mats to power level a profession. It's just something so those of us with capped JP so they don't get totally lost when we get more points.
  1. mmocaba1459261's Avatar
    problem about those prices are the high cost. hence currently available jp dump items are ways more profitable and add to the servereconomy.
  1. mmocecea4972f2's Avatar
    i dont get the point to add this to the game... people who have mining will be useless since you cant get more profit with 5 friends and go heroics to farm justice points.... this will ruin the AH in the game !
  1. lkonig's Avatar
    I think these prices are set for the hard core players who grind out dungeons.
  1. Daylosprime's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Airath View Post
    Chaos orbs are still where they are supposed to be: they drop from endbosses of HC dungeons.
    Yea, I'm aware of that and I lose every damned roll on them. That's why I said I'd pay 4000 JP for one. That's got to be at least a full week's worth of runs for 1 crafting item that I actually need 5 of to make my craft. That is more than reasonable considering the ridiculous prices that randomly meaningless things are selling for on those vendors.

    p.s. And don't give me the run with guildies and get fed to you bit, EVERYONE needs them for ALL of the 525 crafts and they're the only reason most of us are still running the heroics.
  1. Gnomercee's Avatar
    That's pretty cool. Now we just need an ink trader in Stormwind!
  1. Aeriscats's Avatar
    Awe, I was hoping for a way to get Maelstrom Crystals easily. Maybe in due time.

    Currently it is still cheaper for an enchanter to purchase the off-hand items for a bit over 900 points and d/e them compared to buying these shards.
  1. mmocf3bb8f6147's Avatar
    No, I can't get this.

    Someone who's not a nolifer got ALWAYS something to buy with extra JP.. 2nd spec gear, heirlooms of all kinds for different classes etc.
    I'm playing costantly since Cataclysm release at least 2h per day, some days 4-6 hours and I did, let's say 14/15k JP in all that time. I still miss offspec gear from vendor.

    The only serious reason for this new vendors would be the possibility to buy Maelstrom Crystal which OF COURSE are not available. Or maybe rare JC gems like the WotLK 3.3 system.


    Sorry for my bad bad bad english too. Cheer =)
  1. MasterHamster's Avatar
    45-50g worth of ores for 2000 jp
    lolnokty
  1. mmoce9cda82a9d's Avatar
    They need to do something about Maelstrom Crystals. Add them to the vendor :P
  1. stahlhammer89's Avatar
    "Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price. "

    Very reasonable price my ass, for the amount of time it takes to get that many JP/HP you could have farmed 10x as much of any of those items.
  1. Knirps's Avatar
    You should be able to ignore the farming aspect of the game OR go and breeze through Heroics and bomb the market with an infinite amount of ore, cloth, and herbs.

    The prices are perfect so you farm what you REALLY need, and not what you want to sell.

    If they change them, they ruin the market. These vendors are coming out too soon as it is and this expansion is going to be dry and done in a month at this rate.

    I sure hope they know what they're doing...
  1. Xentropy's Avatar
    Here we go, a quick FAQ for the clueless posters in this thread:
    "Why would I buy these materials at this price instead of blue upgrades, heirlooms, or level 80 BoE's for an alt?"
    This system isn't for you. It's for people who HAVE all the herilooms, HAVE all the upgrades they need, and HAVE all the BoE's they could want on any alts, and have either been vending gems or just sitting at cap for four weeks already with nothing to do with their JP.

    "Why wouldn't I just save my points for the next content patch when I could buy VP epics for JP?"
    This system isn't for you. If you're not already sitting at capped JP with the ability to re-cap several times over before the next major patch, you SHOULD indeed save your points. For those who ARE capped and are worried about not having plenty of points when the patch hits, we'll get at least a month's notice for when 4.1 will be coming via its release on PTR, so you'll know when to start pooling JP again if you have a regular JP income.

    "Why would I buy these materials at this price when buying BC gems and vendoring them would give me more gold than any of the choices here?"
    You wouldn't. Your server's economy just has materials pegged at lower prices than that of most servers. Enjoy your cheaper AH mats (lucky dogs) and vend those gems!

    "Why would I farm 4 heroics just for a single heavenly shard?"
    You wouldn't. You're running the heroics *already* for the daily VP or just to help out friends or guild members. The JP you happen to get circumstantially at the same time currently rots (or goes toward buying epic gems to vendor). Now there is a new use for that otherwise-useless JP.

    "Why would I buy cloth at this price when buying the herbs would get me more gold per JP on my server?"
    You wouldn't. Buy the herbs and ignore the cloth. On SOME servers, the cloth would be more valuable, but not on yours. Figure out which one's the best way to go on your server and go for it.

    "Why is Blizzard screwing over gathering professions? This is going to tank mat prices!"
    No, it's really not. Look at just how much time must be spent per mat via the heroic or BG farming method and realize being a gatherer gives you a hundred times as many mats per hour spent, or more. This may lower prices negligibly (and extremely temporarily) due to a new supply being introduced to the system, particularly on the first day of the patch when hundreds of people suddenly dump the 4k JP they have had in the bank for weeks, but in the mid- to long-term prices will not be affected significantly by this change due to the small amounts available for large time investments.

    "Why no maelstrom crystals? Those would actually be valuable!"
    You answered your own question. If truly rare and valuable materials were cost-effectively available for JP, the prices on that material WOULD in fact be tanked. These prices MUST be set intentionally high to discourage people who wouldn't otherwise already be collecting this JP from starting to collect it just as a method of farming. For maelstrom crystals to be available, the JP cap would need to be MUCH higher, on the order of costing 50,000 JP for one maelstrom crystal, otherwise the entire system would fall apart due to being TOO time-efficient.
  1. Vorondil's Avatar
    Seriously, they didn't add the possibility to buy Maelstrom crystals?
    if there's one thing i wanna be able to buy from a JP vendor it's that frigging item. And wtf, 20 ores for 2k points, that's 80g... that's +- 20g extra /heroic
    wooptiefuckingdoo.
  1. stahlhammer89's Avatar
    "Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price. "

    Very reasonable price my ass, for the amount of time it takes to get that many JP/HP you could have farmed 10x as much of any of those items.

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