Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
In patch 4.1 we'll be introducing Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms, a new system intended to lower queue times. Call to Arms will automatically detect which class role is currently the least represented in the queue, and offer them additional rewards for entering the Dungeon Finder queue and completing a random level-85 Heroic dungeon.

Any time the Dungeon Finder queue is longer than a few minutes for level-85 Heroics, the Call to Arms system kicks in and determines which role is the least represented. In the case of tanking being the least represented role, the "Call to Arms: Tanks" icon will display in the Dungeon Finder UI menu where class roles are selected, and will also display on the UI when the queue pops and you are selected to enter a dungeon. Regardless of your role, you'll always be able to see which role currently has been Called to Arms, if any.

Call to Arms is meant to lower wait times by offering additional rewards for queuing as the currently least represented role. To be eligible for the additional rewards you must solo queue for a random level-85 Heroic in the role that is currently being Called to Arms, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss. Every time you hit these requirements (there is no daily limit) you'll receive a goodie bag that will contain some gold, a chance at a rare gem, a chance at a flask/elixir (determined by spec), a good chance of receiving a non-combat pet (including cross faction pets), and a very rare chance at receiving a mount. The pets offered come from a wide variety of sources, and include companions like the Razzashi Hatchling, Cockatiel, and Tiny Sporebat, but the mounts are those specifically only available through dungeons (not raids), like the Reins of the Raven Lord from Sethekk Halls, Swift White Hawkstrider from Magister's Terrace, and Deathcharger's Reins from Stratholme.

This system is meant to address the unacceptable queue times currently being experienced by those that queue for the DPS role at max level. The long queue times are, of course, caused by a very simple lack of representation in the Dungeon Finder by tanks, and to some extent healers. We don't feel the tanking and healing roles have any inherent issues that are causing the representation disparity, except that fulfilling them carries more responsibility. Understandably, players prefer to take on that responsibility in more organized situations than what the Dungeon Finder offers, but perhaps we can bribe them a little. While this system gives tanks and healers something extra, the incentive is being provided so that we can help players in the DPS role get into more dungeons, get better gear, and continue progressing.

While the gold, gems, flasks, and elixirs are OK incentives, we knew we needed something more substantial. We had briefly considered Valor Points and epics, but decided that wouldn't be working toward the goal of helping DPS players progress, and ultimately wouldn't keep tanks and healers in the Dungeon Finder system for very long. We settled on pets and dungeon-found mounts as they’re cosmetic/achievement items that players tend to try to get on their own, so why not change that up and offer them a chance to get some of those elusive pets and mounts in a way that also helps other players? Even if they don't get a pet or mount, or get one they already have, the gold and other goodies still feel rewarding enough that it won't feel like a waste of effort.

We think it's a pretty solid incentive to get tanks and healers queuing, give max-level players another way to collect the pets and mounts they so desire, and above all, to improve wait times for DPS players sitting in queues. In the case of lower level dungeons, it's actually not uncommon for DPS to be the least represented role, and so if this new system works out and we're pleased with the results, we may consider applying this same mechanic to lower level dungeons as well.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Spritely's Avatar
    I feel like I just read another April Fools thing. O.o
  1. Luminar's Avatar
    I spent days grinding to get some of those pets and mounts.

    Countless mobs had their lives taken by my blade.

    And now... this.

    *eyelid twitch*

    Goddamnitsomuch.

    Edit: Waaaaait wait WHY IS THERE A REP PET LISTED? This leads me to believe that either they're joking or insane. I swear, if you can get a Hyacinth Macaw from this thing, I'm gonna bust a nut.
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    The old story is that to survive the lion chasing you, you only need to run faster than the guy beside you.

    This change will only increase tank population until it matches healing. The only effect it will have will be to balance the healer and tank populations (given there is no incentive after you are no longer the limiting factor).

    I don't see DPS queue times being improved much at all... maybe 5 or 10 minutes shaved off the hour.
  1. Semihage's Avatar
    Who actually want to do more tanking now with this change?

    As someone that plays with a healer main and 2 tank alts. .I really don't see any incentives here for me to tank more because of this.

    And for those NEVER tanked in heroic before in Cata, I suggest you try tanking a bit now before you jump in and say this is the greatest thing ever.

    Right now tanking is painful becaues the more geared you are, you get a lot less geared players.. Before you say gear doesn't matter, I like to point of the fact that both Grim Batol and DM have dps check boss. Add to the fact that heroic 5 man just takes a long time now, you don't see people that would try to tank more than once per day.

    And let's be perfectly honest here, Random heroic 5 man queue will take a SERIOUS HIT in 4.1 because experienced tanks will only queue with with guildies to do ZG/ZA random. So good luck, because the queue is only going to get worse.
  1. Cows For Life's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zalavaaris View Post
    YAY! I am so excited that they are giving tanks all these awesome incentives AND instant the queue times they already have so us dps can have an acceptable queue time? If the group has to wait for someone to "fill the least represented role" then I feel everyone in that group should get a "goodie bag". We are a group for a reason; we are a team! We do not sit around while the "least represented role" does all the work! This promotes the idea that the least represented role (we know these as tanks) are more important than the rest of us.
    They obviously are, if everyone has to wait in a 45 minute line for one.
  1. Volari's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Negrido View Post
    The tank is no more needed than dps. You cant do a five man heroic in appropriate gear with out a tank via traditional means, nor can you do a traditional five man without dps via traditional means. That you only need one tank, and that those filling this role are more scarce has no impact on the value of the roll.
    Of course it has. The fact that there are too few tanks make the demand for tanks higher than the demand for dps - ergo, tanks will be more sought after thus making them more important for HCs.

    If you reduce the number of tanks in the game, you will make queuing for dungeons even worse for dps and enhance the problem.
    If you reduce the number of dps in the game, you will make queuing better and alleviate the problem.

    Therefore, dps are not as important in light of dealing with the queuing issue.

    And, btw, tanks are also more important than dps due to the fact that a bad tank can completely ruin a pug, while a bad dps just makes the run a bit longer. It is much preferred to have a good tank than a good dps if you would have to pick between the two.

    Vol
  1. mmoced534fce7e's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spritely View Post
    I feel like I just read another April Fools thing. O.o
    LOOOL i had the exact same feeling.
  1. artemishunter1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Negrido View Post
    The tank is no more needed than dps. You cant do a five man heroic in appropriate gear with out a tank via traditional means, nor can you do a traditional five man without dps via traditional means. That you only need one tank, and that those filling this role are more scarce has no impact on the value of the roll.
    Their inherent value might not any different, but external(ie. the value we give to things) is higher for tanks and healers. Water can satisfy thirst just as wine, but we give wine more value and cost.
  1. Viradiance's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulgrim View Post
    A massive 'F*** you' to the pure dps classes of the game.
    Pretty much this.
  1. artemishunter1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulgrim View Post
    A massive 'F*** you' to the pure dps classes of the game.
    Pure deeps can get the mounts themselves, the mounts are still there, does not take long to solo
  1. barrinmw's Avatar
    you know what? everyone here that is complaining is 100% right, they should just keep super long queues for dps, that will solve everyones problem.

    people are complaining that others will get a reward for going out of their way to do something they would otherwise not do? wow, just wow. also, these bags will have a super low chance of dropping these mounts, probably on par with actually just running the dungeons that drop them anyway so they really don't get much of an advantage in that department.
  1. Zalavaaris's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Cows For Life View Post
    They obviously are, if everyone has to wait in a 45 minute line for one.
    Id love to see a tank solo a 5 man heroic, then give them something. Until then, they arent any more important. Are there less of them creating value? Yes. Does that mean they are any more important... no.. If I were in a group and I knew my tank was going to be getting extra loot on top of his queue time and I wouldnt be, I would leave out of principle. I would hope others would follow me.
  1. Aleom's Avatar
    I'll make this short and brief:

    Dear Addon and Modding Community,

    If you want to be my hero, you will make an addon that will alert the player when his specific role is currently the Call To Arms bonus receiver, and then give us the option to queue immediately if we so choose. That way we don't miss it when it potentially changes every 10 minutes, and so we can maximize our own personal rewards.

    <3 you forever,
    Grand Crusader Aleom, Light of the Dawn, Defender of a Shattered World.
  1. Rezkin's Avatar
    knew this would be a qq fest, its to get more ppl to que up on tanks/healers, be greatfull or just stop crying...
  1. Negrido's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    Pure deeps can get the mounts themselves, the mounts are still there, does not take long to solo
    Blizzard: Here tanks, have some lemonade.
    Rogues: Oh, could I have a gla-
    Tanks: theres a lemon tree outside aint there!?
  1. Viradiance's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Negrido View Post
    Blizzard: Here tanks, have some lemonade.
    Rogues: Oh, could I have a gla-
    Tanks: theres a lemon tree outside aint there!?
    Oh my. I want to use that as a signature, but it would put mine over the cap...

    Screw it, I'll change! I'll change for you, Negri! Can I use it?
  1. barrinmw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Negrido View Post
    Blizzard: Here tanks, have some lemonade.
    Rogues: Oh, could I have a gla-
    Tanks: theres a lemon tree outside aint there!?
    lol, that is funny but a false analogy. its more like, hey tank, you are the only person capable of mowing my lawn, i will give you a glass of lemonade if you do. Rogue: but i would like to mow your lawn for lemonade. But you dont have a mower...
  1. Scratches's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by gunhound45 View Post
    No, dps que times will drop significantly.
    To you and everyone else regurgitating this: Really? You know this for a fact? How?
    No no, I'm genuinely curious; especially seeing as even Blizzard said they're just hoping that this can fix the problem.

    Blizzard seems to be exuding this mantra of always taking the easy route, as of late. Kinda sad really, I think.
    If you're gonna do something, do it right or don't do it at all... (and the 'right way' is almost always incongruent with the 'easy way')
  1. taylor20k's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by illindarious View Post
    But it's tanks and healers that get the quick que's already. So they are also going to get more rewards as well? While the dps that wait 30-45 minutes or longer get nothing new?
    you get shorter queue times. that's what you get. Quit complaining. This system is catoring to the DPS but yet the DPS think that they are being shafted? doesn't make sense. Those mounts are not special. Quit pretending that tanks get anything awesome out of it. Only the DPS are benefiting.
  1. armpit's Avatar
    Seems like they are trying to bride tanks and healers to que with random idiots instead or running with their guild, which they are mostly doing. Sorry nice try but NO. Pathetic.

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