Patch 4.2 Models - Overfiend, Dual Heroic Boss Solo Kill, MMO Report, Comics

Okay Raegwyn is probably the greatest DK tank that has ever lived. How... I mean... It is just... Is he or she even human?

Serously, congrats to that PRO DK!

If it's easier to be a bad healer than a bad rogue doesn't that mean healing has a higher skillcap?

Originally Posted by Azrile

Honestly, it will not be that much harder in 4.1 Both of these bosses are idiot checks.. Good tanks normally take very little damage unless they do something wrong in both encounters. My guess, if he had made one mistake now, he would have died.. after 4.1 if he makes one mistake he will die.

They are nerfing the fights as well, that's going to make it even smoother..... Ground slam has had its damage reduced and you can just eat it if something goes wrong, not to mention its smaller in radius and has an animated effect on the ground....

Wow A doom-guard, pretty impressive blizzard.

/sarcasm.

This is why you can't have my subscription back.

Originally Posted by Rhey

I don't care about PVP. I'm a PVE healer and I'm really disappointed to see tanks healing themselves whenever they lose 50% hp.
Cataclysm is boring and frustrating for the healers, I can no longer demonstrate how good I am when tanks get low hp, my role is diminished, you can't understand how bad these healing abilities are turning our gameplay.

...and beside tanking is about keep threat, damage mitigation, armor value. Your way to be a good tank should not include self-healing, well, indeed a tank who don't need healers is a better tank.
Actually tanks are better than before, they would be very upset people if their tank could no longer be imba (I trust you, I would see the healers and dps steal your tank role and then ask you to don't complain), as they don't need healers.
We idiots who rolled an healer shouldn't complain for our lost entertainment.

DK's can't block. They aren't about mitigating damage. Their self-healing IS their version of block. Stop being so stupid and actually learn how a class works before you complain about it. It makes you look much less retarded and will save you tons of embarrassment.

DK's are on par with other tanks for raid content. They arent above. They are the same. You being a healer should understand this, but apparently you aren't as good as you think yourself to be.

So again...

Stop being an idiot.

So, douche knights are getting buffed next patch?

I find Nerfnow comics to be pretty bad. I find it better if the author tells his opinion / statement in the cartoon, not in a wall of text beneath the cartoon. Sigh.

Originally Posted by Conscious

Wow A doom-guard, pretty impressive blizzard.

/sarcasm.

This is why you can't have my subscription back.

Please read this post:

Originally Posted by Bombkirby

No you see....thats the problem. You're calling it a skin. A skin is a texture. Its like wallpaper but for 3D models. If that was a reskin it'd still have the wings of the original doomguard model. Its a new model with a reused skeleton. Making a new skeleton is painful work. Its like making a claymation model and sticking a wire skeleton inside. Then you have to mark the places where the skeleton can bend, and how far it can bend, then you have to make the animations and my gawd does that suck. Its the worst part ever. Ever made a Flash animation and know about keyframes? Its basically like that, but they have to animate it and make it look nice and realistic rather than a crappy 2d flash animation. Then they have to do that like 20 times for every emote. And finally after like a 1 or 2 weeks they've finally finished a single new model/skeleton/animations/sound effects. ONE enemy wasted a week plus. Ooor they can just create a model. Honestly sculpting the model is enough work as it is and its perfectly fine that they don't make new skeletons every time.

On another note. The difference between a reskin and a remodel.

Wolf Model:


This a basic wolf model. And this below is a RESKIN...



To make a new skin they merely have to change the tint of the current texture. Easy stuff.

A entirely new and different model with the same skeleton (which every one keeps calling a "reskin") would be a fox:



It has the same skeleton as a wolf, but they had to sculpt the model AND make an entirely new skin from scratch. This right here is NOT a reskin. A reskin would be one of the two wolf examples. Same model with a slightly altered skin.

Originally Posted by Sobegreen

I disagree I'm quite sure I could do that and in no way do I feel that makes me amazing. The fail here is that in all these solo videos there has been raid buffs/buffs from other classes which completely ruins the entire aspect of going "solo" against a boss. Any DK that is somewhat intelligent can solo the majority of these bosses. I can't think of any heroic boss that would be terribly hard to solo and those two together is much more like 1.5 bosses instead of 2. Impressive to me would be the guy at the end of BRC and Steelbender together. That I'd give a good clap for.

Last but not least Blood Shields while in Unholy pres. These solos are going to be a lot harder post 4.1 I'd like to see them reattempted after the patch.

guessing this is you, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...begreen/simple

How about you get further then 7/12 in normal mode before telling people you can solo two heroic bosses as well.

To all those saying that raegwyn is skilled and the DK class isn't broken....

No matter how skilled a player of another class is they can not do this... This shouldn't be possible by a player with ANY amount of skill. You are the type of people who will now roll the class just to be the OP class. and this video is a prime example of unbalanced classes in World of Queuecraft and the MAIN reason I quit that god awful game.

Originally Posted by Conscious

Wow A doom-guard, pretty impressive blizzard.

/sarcasm.

This is why you can't have my subscription back.

Because every model has to be completely new and can't share animations or skeleton of other models?

If you're going to snipe over something I'm pretty sure anyone would do to cut down the cost of making an entire model from scratch or cut down the time, then why don't you go snipe at animation companies who do the exact same thing pretty much?

Boo hoo it's a recolored doomguard.

omg fire-armored murlocs!

this is a re-skin, notice the hooves still there, the body , arms and such are exact copy of doomguard model, they just added the unique armor on top.
not that i care anyway.

So where is blizz with their "One man army" argument now... they nerfed ferals and paladins withing 2 weeks when they was able do things like this.

^^ it's kinda funny. I just lol'ed about the oh my gosh comments about the insane selfhealin^^
c'mon, get over it-.- pvp players are cryin about this since a month or even longer now. Dk's are insane without gettin nerfed instant, so Be it!

Soloing heroic bosses aint that hard. Its cool that he did 2 at the same time, props for that. I am not trying to flame him. I have soloed many of the cata heroic bosses with my ilvl 359 gear in blood presence. Soloing bosses as a dk is extremely easy. I have soloed last 2 bosses in VP, last boss of HoO, 1st boss of Lost City, 2nd last boss in SFK. Hell I soloed Loken on heroic at lvl 80 with full naxx gear before DK tank cooldown timers were increased. I also soloed Marrowgar because my guild was trolling me : Some DK soloed Marrowgar, thats what good dks do. So I went in and 1 shot him right away.


And the to all the uneducated morons regarding class mechanics, fine take away death strike and blood shield, but give me blocking. Don't you morons get it that DK blood shield is our block.

Ozruk isn't too hard to solo for a DK (and probably doable as a Paladin too). Especially if you're in heroic epics. Just takes a butttonne of time.

Ozruk and Slabhide? More challenging. Though Slabhide is one of the easiest bosses around.

Guess raids aren't soloable yet, eh? :P So going the 'heroics are hard' mockery route is the only way to go...

Originally Posted by Flaks

Either way they need to start coming out with damn unique skeletons when they make end game raid bosses. Illidan with Dreadlord animations was retarded. Thank god they got it through their skulls for Lich King but its too bad they'll be using the same skeleton for Deathwing they've been using for dragons for the past 7 years.

If you want to wait a couple of months for a new mob, then sure, why not?

You may notice that the only time this game has EVER seen new skeleton's is when there is an expansion (because they have 1-2 years to work on it) and the final content patch (because it is preplanned and the animators are given their goals loooong before it's intended release, i.e. they are potentially working on 4.4 animations right now.)

Creating mobs from scratch is a lot of work. The Skeleton is the most problimatic, but cannot be done first.

They start with concept art, just like all video game visuals do.
They then make the model (without skin and in the "crucifix" placeholder skeleton typically).
They then begin work on the skeleton (often performed by different departments. Animators have to wait for the model (structure/shape) to be completed.)
Skins can be produced at this time, but when producing from scratch, it is unwise to do so.
Once they're mostly happy with the skeleton, they'll go back to the model and fix any really bad visual glitches. Morphing polygons, apendages that clip the body because they too long etc
If done perfect first time (unlikely) it's then properly skinned. You have to wait until this point to apply the skin because the model geometry is constantly changing during the model and skeleton development stages.
On a problem free run, ignorning time for concept art, you're looking at a significant amout of time. This is all cut down by using an existing skeleton because there is less going back and forth between the model and animation departments constantly making tweeks to get it right.
Not to mention that you're taking the animators away from future tasks which, not only delays the next patch because we have to wait for these new skeletons you want, but delays future patches because you took them away from the work they're doing.

Before you say "hire more animators", there is a limit to how much they need to do. Hire too many and suddenly they're there twiddling their thumbs getting paid to do nothing until they are made redundant. Which is poor project management. NEVER over hire. Small companies can't afford it and large companies can't risk bad profiling and the lose of very experienced and skilled personel.


Illidan was not given "proper" treatment because he was a mid-way boss. KJ did get a unique skeleton, Kel'Thuzad didn't, but Vanilla's raid schedule wasn't properly planned out as the following expansions. Rotface and Festergut were originally designed looooong before the release of Wrath, let alone 3.3

BTW, when Blizzard added wings to the BE model to make the Blood Queen, people didn't run around shouting "reskin reskin", they said "wow, those wings look cool". FYI, adding to an existing model can be as easy as taking elements away due to texture geometry.

Raegwyn sure knows how to make it interesting. Keep yourself distanced from one boss while having to hide behind rocks to dodge the others AoE. WOOT. (and yes, either of those boss's on their own are an easy DK solo)

The comic is only partially true though. Most new people don't have the brainpower to make a logical and thought out decision because that would take knowledge and experience (and lets face it, their new!). The later part of most healers and tanks being bumbling idiots who "I'm amazed mobs aren't re-spawning at our pace", is fairly accurate.