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Patch 5.2 - Warlock Island
It isn't clear where this island will be used, if at all, during the new Warlock quest line for green fire. The sky is similar to the one used in the Black Temple, where most of the quest line takes place. The second part of the Island is just a copy of the Maw of Neltharion.

Don't forget that this is not ready or intended to be previewed, is not a 100% accurate preview, and is likely to change before release.





Patch 5.2 - New Heirloom Items
Patch 5.2 adds several new Heirloom items that scale to level 85. These are upgraded versions of current heirlooms and can be purchased with the old heirloom and Justice Points.

The Justice Points cost is the same as it is for the level 80 version. The new shields cost 2175 Justice Points.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
PTR Access – Known Issue
We’re aware that some players are having connection issues when attempting to log into the Public Test Realm. We’re investigating the issue with our QA and development teams to resolve the problem.

Please be aware that our Customer Support department cannot assist with issues pertaining to PTR access, or upgrading your current PTR account's status. If you have an open ticket we’d appreciate you closing it and waiting for further updates here regarding resolution of the issue.

Thank you all for the reports and for your patience. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 5.2 and Conquest Points
As far as I can tell we still haven’t released information about when the current arena season will be over.

But whenever a season ends, Conquest Points usually reset, and get converted to Honor and/or gold when above the cap. You can probably expect the same thing to happen this time, but we’ll provide more exact information when we get closer to the end of the season.

Don't worry too much about it, we always put out some news whenever a PvP season is about to end with at least 1 or 2 weeks’ notice. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Elegon Hotfix
This specific hotfix requires realm restarts, which have not happened since it went in. The fix should be picked up with maintenance next week. Sorry about the confusion! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

LFR to See Content
If you're pressed for time and your goal is to see and experience raid content, LFR(Looking For Raid) is available and a relatively accessible way to experience that content. The item levels dropped from LFR isn't as high end as those from Heroic modes, but your character's item level doesn't have to be the sole barometer of how much fun you're having. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

What is the ETA for Stormwind and Orgrimmar Repairs?
With the majority of stone and lumber being sent to the various war fronts for construction and repairs, there's essentially nothing left for the craftsmen to work with. In fact, the laborers seen toiling over the constructions are not actually doing anything. We've told them they can go home, or volunteer for Pandaria duty, but every day they climb up those ladders, and every day slowly hammer at boards and walls to no effect. They take their lunches in solitude, sometimes taking a break to stare at the sun, and at the end of their shift they climb down and go home.

They've repeated this every day for over two years. We're quite worried about them. Top men are currently investigating the possibility of providing them with twigs and small rocks with the belief that some progress may snap them out of it.

(Dave Kosak answered this today as well!) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 5.2 Release Date
How many grunts must the Horde call upon
Before patch five point two is here?
Yes, 'n' how many troops must the Alliance train for war
Before the Thunder King begins his reign?
Yes, 'n' how many ales must be brewed in advance
Before the Pandaren can be well supplied?
The answer, my friend, is comin' soon indeed,
The answer is comin' soon indeed. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Future
How about next raid content? İt will be a equal quality with ulduar and sunwell?
I'm pretty excited about it personally, but I don't want to overpromise anything. (Source)

Wasn't the Void Storage feature supposed to work WITH the Transmog, so we could transmog things that are in the Void Storage?
It was designed to work the way it does, but not having to move stuff out of VS is a common request we're considering. (Source)

So, going by the information available as of now, 5.2 will once again be a 5 months wait?
Was 5.1? (Source)
5.1 was supposed to be launched with Mists. It was cut and "masked" as a patch to combat GW2. 5.2 isn't like that.
I think you greatly overestimate our ability to hit a target date even if we paid that close attention to competitors. (Source)

2. try: is there a chance we will ever see flying combats / air pvp ? maybe as a bg or open world ?
Pretty unlikely TBH. It would take huge changes to our combat engine. (Source)

Are you guys still kinda working on that thing that has spells land on different parts of the target's body?
Yeah. It won't be anytime soon though. It's a big project. (Source)

What about the resource-collection part of the War Effort? That does't concentrate players in one spot.
Yeah, the overall feel of that was pretty cool. Not sure farming Linen was, but a neat idea to revisit someday. (Source)

PvE
You make raids for 2 or sometimes even 1 tank out of 25 people and wonder why there aren't more tanks...
There were few tanks even back when the majority didn't raid. It's the responsibility IMO. (Source)

Why were the fully raid buffed DPS dummies not implemented on live servers - only PTR? Intention behind this?
We don't want players to obsess with theoretical DPS. Who wins a target dummy doesn't actually mean anything. On PTR it's to help us. (Source)
But that's punishing the theory crafters who hate using sims but would rather the real thing; over a dumb epeen contest
I'd argue that the dumb contest would do more damage to the game than better theorycrafting would bring. (Source)

LFR is awful. What happened to encouraging people to do content with friends and guild? Another blow to alts as well.
I 100% believe you will have more fun and stick with the game longer if you play with friends. LFR is for when you can't. (Source)

also do you have anything in mind for pvp power to enhance heals outside instances? world-pvp being so important now
Unless something changed recently, PvP Power does enhance heals in the outdoor world. Just not in instances. (Source)

linear progression was the worst idea you ever could return to.. you leave behind lots of alt-players and returners.
We understand that. But the alternative is that other players feel their accomplishments have no meaning if rapid catch up exists. (Source)

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This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.2 - Warlock Island, New Heirloom Items Cost, Blue Posts, The Daily Blink started by chaud View original post
Published on 2013-01-05 11:52 AM
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  1. Ielenia's Avatar
    I believe those JP prices for the ''''upgraded'''' heirloom items are way too expensive for your average WoW player. To reach JP cap, you need to run 25 heroic dungeons (assuming 4 bosses per H dungeon), and if you want to buy, say, the Agility heirloom staff from scratch? That's MORE than 25 dungeons of JP grinding since their price combined (original + upgraded) is higher than the weekly cap.

    Suppose your average player wants to start an alt. A mage. And he wants the heirloom. Now, assuming he wants to buy just one trinket, we have: the staff (3500 jp), its upgrade (3500 jp), the shoulders (2175 jp), its upgrade (2175 jp), the chest piece (2175 jp), its upgrade (2175 jp), the trinket (2725 jp) and its upgrade (2725 jp). That gives up a whooping total of... 21150 justice points! That a LOT of justice points! Not to mention the same average player probably upgraded one or more rare-quality items to reach the minimum item level to start running LFR, so there's 1500 or 3000 JP ON TOP of those prices.

    Now you may say: "You don't HAVE to buy the upgrades from the very start! You can wait until your alt is near 80 to do so!" To which I give you this: Ok, so the price to buy all the 'normal' heirlooms is of 10575 justice points. That's STILL a lot of grinding. And here's the kicker: with the time you'll spend on your main grinding those 10575 Justice points ALL OVER AGAIN, you'll probably would have already gone from 80 to 85 on your alt, replacing the level 80 heirloom with normal gear, and may already be well into level 86 already, if not 87.
  1. McNeil's Avatar
    The warlock island doesn't look as cool as I thought, its basically Ragefire Chasm with a little Shadowmoon Valley
  1. Kathranis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I believe those JP prices for the ''''upgraded'''' heirloom items are way too expensive for your average WoW player. To reach JP cap, you need to run 25 heroic dungeons (assuming 4 bosses per H dungeon), and if you want to buy, say, the Agility heirloom staff from scratch? That's MORE than 25 dungeons of JP grinding since their price combined (original + upgraded) is higher than the weekly cap.

    Suppose your average player wants to start an alt. A mage. And he wants the heirloom. Now, assuming he wants to buy just one trinket, we have: the staff (3500 jp), its upgrade (3500 jp), the shoulders (2175 jp), its upgrade (2175 jp), the chest piece (2175 jp), its upgrade (2175 jp), the trinket (2725 jp) and its upgrade (2725 jp). That gives up a whooping total of... 21150 justice points! That a LOT of justice points! Not to mention the same average player probably upgraded one or more rare-quality items to reach the minimum item level to start running LFR, so there's 1500 or 3000 JP ON TOP of those prices.

    Now you may say: "You don't HAVE to buy the upgrades from the very start! You can wait until your alt is near 80 to do so!" To which I give you this: Ok, so the price to buy all the 'normal' heirlooms is of 10575 justice points. That's STILL a lot of grinding. And here's the kicker: with the time you'll spend on your main grinding those 10575 Justice points ALL OVER AGAIN, you'll probably would have already gone from 80 to 85 on your alt, replacing the level 80 heirloom with normal gear, and may already be well into level 86 already, if not 87.
    Who needs heirlooms anyway, honestly? It's not like it takes that long to level an alt without them.

    Even if you just use the regular ones, how long does 80-85 take? Not that big of a deal.
  1. Adramalech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I believe those JP prices for the ''''upgraded'''' heirloom items are way too expensive for your average WoW player.
    Honestly, I don't think that's even the worst. It's just that paying the same amount of JP as the original item just isn't worth it for 5 more levels. If it lasted up to 90, MAYBE it would be worth that much. Maybe. Even then, I don't think it would be. We're effectively paying for the heirloom twice just to have it work for 85 levels as opposed to 80. These 5 levels are fast enough without heirlooms, I don't honestly see a lot of people who really want to level an alt bothering with farming justice just for that, and rightfully so: it isn't needed OR worth it.
    Honestly I don't care if it stays at this price, I don't have to buy them, but it doesn't mean I won't find it silly as hell.
  1. Buu's Avatar
    LOLOLOLOLOL, They will put some makeshift crap and call that a fix. It's funny on the entrance of Stormwind, with some plaster holding the statue and stones of a different color on the towers. But I still feel bad about the park. They will probably make a walk with planks to connect the broken part of the streets, and that's it. The place will remain destroyed..
  1. Ielenia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Who needs heirlooms anyway, honestly? It's not like it takes that long to level an alt without them.

    Even if you just use the regular ones, how long does 80-85 take? Not that big of a deal.
    No, but the heirlooms' +% XP buff speeds up the process a bit, and also the heirloom items provides you with considerably more powerful stats than what you'll find from quests and dungeons loot of your alt's level, which would, in turn speed up the leveling process even more, coupled with the XP buff. Almost +50% xp is not something to sneeze at, if you have the JP (and TIME!!) to afford them.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    It's still early in the PTR, things could change. If the cost stays the same as now though, I probably won't bother with upgrading my heirlooms.
  1. smokii's Avatar
    i honestly hope the new heirlooms are purchasable with either the old version, or justice points. not a combination of both.

    farming justice points isn't actually very easy, everything gives you valor these days and it's not until you've capped valor that you get some justice. i dont play enough these days to cap valor and then have time to make justice points on top.

    i've already got a full set of heirloom weapons and like hell am i gonna bother attempting to farm up more justice for an extra 5 levels of item scaling. i hope this is just a temporary ptr price...

    tbh i'd gladly trade in my old one and some gold to get it upgraded, but trading in the old one + more justice points is just silly, i dont think i have 2000 justice points across my entire account (let alone 3500 for the staff), it's all valor points - is there anywhere you can actually farm justice these days? or am i right that it's only available after capping valor for the week?
  1. Adramalech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by smokii View Post
    i honestly hope the new heirlooms are purchasable with either the old version, or justice points. not a combination of both.
    Hell being a combination isn't that bad, it's just the amount of justice that's way too high.

    It's still PTR, and for all we know, they could have simply not adjusted the costs yet (the fact that all the costs are exactly the same as the base heirloom plus the base heirloom itself gives this some credit). But as it stands now, they're not worth the price.
  1. Miseration's Avatar
    It doesn't seem to matter what or how blizzard does things, people will always find something to bitch about.
  1. Naposim1337's Avatar
    what? pay for 5 more levels with heirlooms the same price as for original item? with current speed of JP gain? are they serious?! it has to be free. As i have all heirlooms should i spend like 80 000 JP for upgrading them? serious blizzard? :P
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    The problem with upgrading the heirlooms with JP is the fact that in the time it takes you to farm 2500 JP or whatever you could have been 82 or 83 and with that line of thinking what's the point?
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    I don't get why they're not just removing the old heirlooms and making the new ones X cost or hand in your old one to upgrade.
  1. Ielenia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Miseration View Post
    It doesn't seem to matter what or how blizzard does things, people will always find something to bitch about.
    While that statement is true, even you must admit that the pricing given to the 'upgraded' heirlooms are way out of the norm. It's like going to the car dealership:
    You: "I want to buy this car."
    Vendor: "Awesome! That will be 8000 dollars!"
    You: "Can I use my current car as part of the payment?"
    Vendor: "Sure you can! With your car as part of the payment, all you'll have to pay is just 8000 dollars!"
  1. Adramalech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Miseration View Post
    It doesn't seem to matter what or how blizzard does things, people will always find something to bitch about.
    I don't honestly believe a lot of people will be outraged if these prices go live (except those who bitch and are outraged by anything). I personally don't care: don't like it, don't buy them, they're not required at all. But you do have to admit, 5 levels of extra XP for that much JP isn't worth it at all. I usually defend most of Blizzard's decisions, and while this one has little to no impact on the game, it's kinda silly to introduce something if most people will probably not even bother with that. The time used to farm the JP would be better used just leveling the alt. Perhaps in the last tier people will be swimming in JP and be able to buy these without a second thought, but not now.

    And I'm gonna stop posting now, I feel like I've repeated the same thing in different ways too many times in this thread :\
  1. Moustacho's Avatar
    I've got almost al Heirlooms. And it took me a great while to get them. I think it's also a prestige to gather them (cause it takes quite some time), but with these changes it's just like doing all the effort again for a small addition. It would be different if it gets an extra spell effect (not cosmetic, but something like a haste proc or anything) than it would be viable to gather the JP for it. I think with these additions, I won't take the effort to upgrade these heirlooms. JP and VP gathering is already very slow atm, the amount of JP from hc dungeons is way too low (35 per boss, in Cata 70), plus you don't get JP from LFR. To reach the hard cap of 4000 JP you need to do around 70 normal dungeons (per week) or (considering 4 bosses per hc dungeon) 28 hc dungeons (per week). So for 1 item you need to do (say 2000 JP) 14 hc dungeons. Count the amount of items, it will take almost as much time as grinding MC rep.

    My solution is, scale those items up with no costs. Or put an extra proc and cosmetic upgrade on it, then it will be viable to grind for it. (An achievement for gathering all the items would be dull)
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    I don't honestly believe a lot of people will be outraged if these prices go live (except those who bitch and are outraged by anything). I personally don't care: don't like it, don't buy them, they're not required at all. But you do have to admit, 5 levels of extra XP for that much JP isn't worth it at all. I usually defend most of Blizzard's decisions, and while this one has little to no impact on the game, it's kinda silly to introduce something if most people will probably not even bother with that. The time used to farm the JP would be better used just leveling the alt. Perhaps in the last tier people will be swimming in JP and be able to buy these without a second thought, but not now.

    And I'm gonna stop posting now, I feel like I've repeated the same thing in different ways too many times in this thread :\

    The prices are high and likely not worth it. On the other hand: During the last 3 months I spent several justice points on buying items to just make (almost wortless) shards out of them cause I was close to the cap. So even those heirloom prices are better than that. If you are not raiding 2 or 3 days a week then you have the choice of heroics or LFR for Valor...and given that heroics give almost as much valor but are faster to do(if you include the waiting time even more so) I can imagine that during the remaining 2 years of this expansion it will be quite common to run heroics.
    I can just speak for me, but I just gained the last item from lfr that was useful for me...untill 5.2 there is just not much reason left for me to go lfr(unless I don't manage the valor cap...and valor is always needed thanks to upgrading), especially given that the players on lfr seem to get lazier by the day("uh we outgear that encounter...why moving at all? The others can do the adds. I keep eating my pizza and use my 2 spells.").

    We just shouldn't forget that the expansion will still last for a very long time...and we don't need all heirlooms tomorrow. I just hate the idea that they will do this every expansion now....upgrade heirlooms by 5 levels....again...and again...and again....
  1. ThatsOurEric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacster View Post
    I just hate the idea that they will do this every expansion now....upgrade heirlooms by 5 levels....again...and again...and again....
    That would indeed suck by miles on end. I certainly hope that won't be blizzard's design purpose for these things.
  1. Yig's Avatar
    This might be Deathwing's lair while he lived in Outland. Or his son who we never heard from after TBC I believe. It could be tied into Illidan through interesting ways.
  1. Phantasm's Avatar
    Am I the only one thinking that the updated BoA gear can be purchased with the old version AND justice points? Like you tier piece trade ins to get your chest, you'd trade in your Dreadmist robe to get it, or if you don't have the robe you can buy it with JP.
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