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Patch 6.0.2 Class Balance
Originally Posted by Celestalon
Hunters, we're not ignoring you, or satisfied with the current situation. New data helps us find the issue. We just need to work through the discrepancies, and find out what is disguising the issue on our side. Maybe we assume this is obvious, but it'll help to hear: The goal is equality. We'll continue working toward that goal. Obviously, we are not there yet. Nor do we expect to get there at 90 (but will get closer). We *do* expect to get there at 100.

I hope you do the same for all classes.
We are. Hunters are just at the top of our list right now.

Blasted Lands Quest Rewards
If you were eager to do the Blasted Lands event quests, you may have completed them before rewards were hotfixed in. The quests are now correctly rewarding item level 520 trinkets. If you actually need the trinket and did the quest early on, you may have to wait for a fix:

Level Type Spec Slot Name
520TrinketTrinket Bloodburn Protector
520TrinketMeleeTrinket Bladespike Charm
520TrinketSpell SpiritTrinket Ironmender's Totem
520TrinketPhysical DPSTrinket Talisman of the Invader
520TrinketSpell DPSTrinket Bloodcaster's Charm


Originally Posted by Vrakthris (Blue Tracker)
I don't have a specific update, but the potential resolution will be one available to all those affected and not something that we'd "fix" on an individual level.

Developmental implementation can take a little time though so it will likely be a few days before they can create, test and implement their resolution. I'll provide any updates I am able to pass along.

Patch 6.0.2 Hotfixes - October 15
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
World Event: Iron Horde Incursion
  • Players are now able to accept the Iron Horde Invasion quest even if their Quest Logs are full.
  • Slightly thinned out Okril'lon patrols around Nethergarde Keep.
  • Resolved an issue where some Iron Horde Incursion quests were awarding items that had a level 100 requirement to equip or not awarding an item correctly.

Premade Groups
  • Forming Premade Groups for questing should no longer result in the interface selecting a Warlords of Draenor zone by default.
  • Resolved a number of interface issues when attempting to form a Premade Group for Random Pandaria Dungeons.

Toy Box
  • Characters should no longer automatically learn toys awarded from quests that are bind-on-equip (Sylvanas' Music Box, Muradin's Favor).

Classes
  • Death Knight
    • General
      • Blood Boil should no longer incorrectly grant Scent of Blood or Runic Power if it doesn't strike a target. Additionally, Blood Boil should no longer incorrectly cause diseases to spread back to the casting Death Knight.
    • Talents
      • Death Siphon should no longer heal for more than intended when used against targets that are much lower leveled than the casting Death Knight.
  • Mage
  • Monk
    • Mistweaver
      • Revival healing is no longer split amongst multiple party or raid members.

World Environment
  • Players are now automatically unflagged for PvP when they enter a PvE realm by joining a cross-realm group.
  • Creatures
    • [Requires a realm restart.] To better account for the changes to player health and ability scaling, we've reduced the health and damage of nearly all non-player creatures and NPCs on a level-by-level basis (larger reductions for lower-level creatures, in general).
    • The damage dealt by several of Ordos's abilities has been reduced.

Quests

Raids, Dungeons, and Scenarios
Raids
  • Siege of Orgrimmar
    • The Norushen encounter should now correctly have a 10 minute enrage timer on Raid Finder difficulty.
    • Sha of Pride should no longer use the Wounded Pride ability on Raid Finder difficulty.
    • Thok the Bloodthirsty should now properly drop Mythic tier armor tokens while on Mythic difficulty.
    • Damage of Stone Statue's Animated Strike ability has been squished.
    • Garrosh Hellscream now has 15% less health on Mythic difficulty.
    • Resolved an issue where an excessive number of items could drop at once from non-boss enemies in Siege of Orgrimmar when Personal Loot was enabled.
  • Throne of Thunder
    • Damage of Thunder Lord's Conductive Shield ability has been squished.
    • Damage of Lei Shen's Crashing Thunder ability has been squished.
  • Terrace of Endless Spring
    • Damage of Protectors of the Endless' Lightning Prison ability has been squished.
    • Damage of Apparition of Fear's Unleashed Terror ability has been squished.
  • Blackwing Lair
    • Self-healing for Ebonroc's Shadow of Ebonroc ability has been squished.

Scenarios
  • The Secrets of Ragefire: Damage for enemy spells and abilities in the Scenario have been squished.

Proving Grounds
  • Resolved an issue where characters that have completed the achievement: Proving Yourself: Endless Damage (Wave 30) (Level 90) were not retaining their titles.

PvP
  • Level 90 players now deal 25% less damage against other Level 90 players.

Battlegrounds and Arenas
  • [Requires a realm restart.] Resolved an issue where Battleground queues were not working correctly.

Items
  • For Mists of Pandaria items that used to have a Valor Point cost, players should now be able to sell them back within the 2-hour window.
  • Jina-Kang, Kindness of Chi-Ji's Spirit of Chi'ji triggered ability should now correctly redistribute overhealing to nearby injured friends.
  • Resolved an issue that could cause items to lose their Transmogrification when zoning into a new area.

Bug Fixes
  • Resolved an issue that caused a LUA error when viewing quests that used to offer Justice or Valor Point rewards.
  • Resolved an issue where Deck Your Collection achievement was not converting into the correct version after a Faction Change.

Group Finder
Several players have expressed concerns about the new Group Finder, such as the 25 visible groups cap and timers on different things.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
When we design our default UI elements we follow some core design philosophies to ensure we have a consistent, approachable, unobtrusive, and easy-to-use interface. And, also like most default UI elements, the Premade Groups tool is fully moddable. We'd fully expect that, much like unit frames, raid frames, etc., that those who are looking for different layouts and additional functionality will turn to creating and using addons. Which is of course largely the point and focus of addon support--allowing people to gain additional customization and functionality beyond what the default UI might offer. Quite a few players prefer that additional functionality and customization, and that's awesome, that's what makes addons great. But it is early still, the patch hasn't been out long, and mods tend to spring from a personal or collective desire for specific functionality or customization. Maybe you can help inspire an addon author?

That said, we're still definitely looking for feedback on what changes or features people want to see made to the default UI in future updates, and any constructive feedback on layout improvements or changes are more than welcome. In this case the UI and Macro forum is probably the best place to help consolidate feedback.

Patch 6.0.2 Stat Squish and Leveling Concerns
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We have a hotfix in testing that will adjust creature scaling to better account for the stat squish.

To elaborate a bit, this isn't just about the stat squish. That was actually a relatively straightforward process numerically. But we made three separate changes that all affected the pacing and danger level of legacy content throughout the game:

  • The "stat squish" wherein items from level 60 through Mists of Pandaria dungeon gear were changed to use a linear instead of an exponential scale.
  • Doubling player health, enabling us to remove resilience from PvP and also make damage and healing less "spiky" in general.
  • Removing base points from spells to allow for better scaling and tuning across classes - previously a Frostbolt might have done X damage plus Y% of your spell power; now, in 6.0.2, it just does Z% of your spell power.

Any tuning issues that are being seen, particularly in level-up content (especially dungeons), aren't a result of the squish alone but rather the combination of all three changes. We've been following data and feedback closely, and are testing internally the change that Lore mentioned, which should hopefully be deployed within a day or so (it will require server restarts). In the meantime, if there are particular creature abilities that you encounter that seem disproportionately deadly, it's quite helpful to keep pointing those out.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Damage in PvP
We've just applied a hotfix that will reduce pvp damage by 25%. Once the expansion launches, it will be reverted, but it should make skirmishes a bit more palatable in the meantime. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Battleground Queues
Correct, we'll unfortunately need to restart realms in order for the fix to apply. Restarts are scheduled for early tomorrow morning in the North American region. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Mythic/Warforged Items Downgrading to Normal
Don't have any information to share at this time but letting you know that we're currently investigating the issue. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blasted Lands Rewards Availability Duration
Yep, the Iron Starlette pet and Iron Vanguard title are only available until Warlords launches on November 13th. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Loot Based Lockouts
The loot-based lockouts should be in place on Normal or Heroic for Siege of Orgrimmar, and should work a lot like Flex partial clears did in 5.4: based on the leader's lockout, with bosses despawned from the start until reaching the first one the leader hasn't killed (so, e.g. if a leader has done Immerseus and Norushen but somehow was not saved to Protectors, their instance would begin with Immerseus dead, but Protectors and Norushen still alive).

More or less, you should be able to pick up where you left off in Normal or Heroic, and if you enter a different instance where a boss you've already killed still lives, you can help out but you won't get loot.

From the above, it sounds like there may be some bugs here. It's a complex system, and a big part of why we converted Siege of Orgrimmar to use the new system in 6.0 was to make entirely certain that we work out any glitches before Draenor raids commence. We'll look into it. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Level 90 Boost Experience
Sorry about any confusion! When Warlords of Draenor releases boosted characters will have their abilities introduced a few at a time as they quest through the intro Draenor experience. Until then we've made the new Iron Tide invasion event an accelerated version of the same process. If you're on a boosted character you'll want to begin the Blasted Lands questline that pops up when you first log in, and your abilities will unlock as you go.

We recently updated the patch notes with that information.

Boosted Characters

Newly Boosted Characters now start on the front lines in the Blasted Lands, doing whatever they can to stop the Iron Horde pouring out of The Dark Portal and start with a basic set of spells and abilities for their class. Characters unlock the rest of their spells and abilities by advancing through the Iron Horde Incursion world event in the Blasted Lands. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Racials
after undead racial nerfed. it was promised to nerf human racial... the question was in wich way... we saw nothin till now...
It was not promised. We never promise. We sometimes share our thoughts about what we're considering. No promises were made. (holinka)

Classes
Druid (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Any plans to change cyclone range back to 30 yards? Would be a huge QOL change.
That is not a QoL change, that is a buff. (holinka)

Monk (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
how come monks get no love forMinor glyphs we got the least transmog choices & no cosmetic stuff
As a new class, many of the "hey that sounds cool!" ideas were baked in from the start (Muffinus)

Character / Items
Will horde players keep the azeroth choppers mount should they transfer to alliance after the deadline to obtain the mount?
All horde characters get the mount for any account that logs in during the prescribed period. (holinka)

General statement: we do not have any plans for any more toybox changes until we see how things shake out over the next few months. Anything with a player or NPC interaction, teleport, movement buff, or a quest item was intentionally not included. It is one thing for a character to have earned those items at the intended level, but giving them to every character may not be appropriate. (Source)

PvE
Is the bug that Assendance was not resetting after killing a boss (all other CDs do) fixed for 6.0? If not, will it be for WoD?
Only cooldowns greater than 3 minutes reset at the end of raid encounter attempts, so that isn't a bug. (WatcherDev)

PvP
can you confirm, in WoD RBGS award same amount of Conquest as arena rating?
In Warlords, your cap is based on your highest rating, whether it's arenas or RBGs. RBGs do provide an extra chance at gear tough. (holinka)

can real id friends group queue for Ashran?
yes (holinka)

oh, huh? So on busy servers we can expect queue times? I expect similar but opposite servers like KT and MG to merge?
the focus is having both sides full, not making sure both sides have equal queue times. (holinka)

You mentioned in an interview Mythic gear will get reduced ilvl in PvP Combat. Waht ilvl will it be? What about Legendary effects?
690 and PvE set bonuses don't work (holinka)

Quick Q: is Ashran going work like TB/WG in that only ~equal amounts of players from each faction can be in it? #WoW
No. Ashran queuing is basically a bouncer. We let everyone in until we're at capacity for the server. (holinka)

with Ashran servers being grouped for faction balance, are they still being matched within CRZ groups, or was that idea discarded?
We'll try to match them up in the same data centers as much as possible. (holinka)

Lore
...deal with that through Thrall, but now HE'S fucking back, yet we're losing Khadgar, and I assume the Kirin Tor again
How are you losing him? He's more active than he's ever been in WoW. Everyone benefits from his presence. (_DonAdams)

did the FOTR only react? did King Arthur? villains create drama, but they don't have to be everything.
Gandalf is reacting to Sauron. You know this because there's a lot of time for the details to unfold. Not a luxury games have. (_DonAdams)
We want to put up a big enemy and give you reasons to fight them, we make you want to go on the adventure and take them down. (_DonAdams)
Villains aren't "everything" but you need a strong, clear conflict for players to resolve. Otherwise it's not compelling. (_DonAdams)

Tradition is no excuse. Break tradition, create heroes that are proactive - reactive heroes seem less intelligent.
What would a "proactive" hero do? What conflict would they solve? Who created the conflict? Genuinely curious. (_DonAdams)
proactive heroes strike first against, even seek out, evil and injustice. Batman chillin until signaled vs. out patrolling Gotham
We do that all the time in quests. It's also pretty much the definition of a raid. We do it constantly. (_DonAdams)
I get what you're saying; it's in the details. Evil is out there and we're going to go stop it. (_DonAdams)
At a high level, he's still reacting to crime. Someone is still creating conflict which he has to resolve. (_DonAdams)
As a player I feel proactive constantly. In the past the majority of faction heroes felt static/reactive unlike in the RTS games.
That is fair, but you were also playing as those characters on their journeys. You had enough time with Arthas to care. (_DonAdams)

also, Garrosh's goals have been the Horde's goals for half the lifetime of this game...
Horde is divided, even players are split between Garrosh's goals of conquest and Thrall's goals of peace. (_DonAdams)

When's next time you see Alliance as having a "bad guy"? All Alliance "buy guys" have been "corrupted" somehow (Illidan, Arthas)
That's a good question. We don't have any in the works right now, but I think we're overdue for an Alliance villain. (_DonAdams)

Horde have explicit goals and the story serves those goals. can you honestly say the alliance does also beyond "hold the line"?
What do you perceive to be the Horde's explicit goals? I think you're falsely bundling all Horde up with Garrosh. (_DonAdams)
to blur the line between them. Not that it's fair just understandable how it can happen.
Yeah, conquest is an easy goal to push. What kind of large-scale goal could Alliance undertake? Perhaps reclamation. (_DonAdams)
Or maybe they're simply the first to discover and begin attacking a new threat. Definitely opportunities. (_DonAdams)

Khadgar has always been my favorite character, however now you've turned him into a traitor to the Alliance. Are you proud?
How is he a traitor? Because he doesn't kill Horde on sight? By that logic, all faction leaders are "traitors." Disagree. (_DonAdams)
… Please answer me, why this difference between Khadgar and Thrall? Any difference besides they belong to different factions?
Thrall isn't truly neutral, either. He's Horde, but he can set differences aside to work with Ally when needed. (_DonAdams)
Jaina behaved similarly before her city was nuked. Anduin and Varian can do it as well. (_DonAdams)

The story makes it seem like the Alliance only raids Orgrimmar BECAUSE of the Rebellion. Otherwise no. They've always been concerned with other things. It beggars belief, sometimes.
Thing is, Horde story is largely concerned with bigger things, too/ There's always a bigger threat than each other. (_DonAdams)
Or like Ashenvale: the Alliance was off fighting Old Gods and only taking minimal action against the Horde until the end.
Alliance move into the Barrens and torch Camp Taurajo, one of my favorite old quest hubs. We can go back and forth all day. (_DonAdams)
For what it's worth, I recall being f'ing terrified of night elves in Ashenvale. Really felt like enemy territory. (_DonAdams)
But, I mean, is this valuable feedback? How can we make our concerns better known or clearer?
It's all valuable. Specific examples and concerns help a lot more than broad assertions like "never" and "always." (_DonAdams)
I think we've drifted too far into stereotypes of "grr aggressive bloodthirsty orc" vs. "ye olde stoic knight defender." (_DonAdams)
I understand the overall desire is to show more proactive heroism from the Alliance. Give them some teeth. I agree. (_DonAdams)
For what it's worth, those themes work well on a broad scale. They are a good backdrop. We aim for variety in the details. (_DonAdams)

Is there any chance you guys might change Garrosh's fate? He's become a fairly interesting character, lots of room for growth
Pretty unlikely. (_DonAdams)

where are they in the game? Lorewise there may be a lot of casualties but we dont see them in game
Probably didn't stand out to Alliance players, but as Horde it was really grim. (_DonAdams)
Also a lot of the trash in SoO are literally Orgrimmar NPCs. The corpses strung about are old trainers, vendors, etc. (_DonAdams)

True. Does this mean that the Horde are villains? That's a problem. Too many mixed messages.
No, but Garrosh certainly became one. (_DonAdams)
so if the Alliance are heroes, and heroes react, what does that make the Horde?
Does that make the Alliance villains? No, it's a conflict the player characters would likely want to solve. (_DonAdams)
Imagine Varian suddenly decides humans are the supreme race, drums up an army, and begins executing dwarves and gnomes. (_DonAdams)
Horde are heroes as well. You're lumping all of the Horde in with Garrosh, who raised an evil regime from within the Horde. (_DonAdams)
You said the Ally, as heroes, generally react. Not saying Horde are villains, but it seems devs think they're more interesting.
I mean all heroes, in general, react to some conflict or situation. Horde players, too. (_DonAdams)

Reputation / Questing
what is the plan for lvl 100 content. Lvl 100 seems rather barren barring the daily, ashran, and the gear up.
Quest-wise, we have new quest lines coming out of the garrison every week at max level, as well as a legendary quest. (_DonAdams)
Beyond that, you have just as much or more as any other expac: dungeon, raid, outdoor max-level areas, world bosses, etc. (_DonAdams)

Do ya think garrison mine & garden for all make prof mats quite unbalanced against leather? Wtb slot-free skin hut
The barn provides a lot of leather, there are fewer herb/mine nodes in the world but many skinnable creatures (Muffinus)

Garrisons
is there still going to be a pass on follower traits vs. mission reqs? Timed Battle lights my list up like Xmas tree others NSM
Start a new toon, I don't think old data was updated, should be done as of next beta build, good trait/ability spread, LFFeeback (Muffinus)

Revisiting your tweet from 7 months ago. What was done to make garrisons alt-friendly? Beyond lvl3 plans, any shared progress?
That, plus work orders than can be queued, are the main features. We'll be monitoring feedback as the expac goes on. (Muffinus)

Garrison question: Are there enough of a specific race to have only them as followers (i.e. a Garrison with nothing but Gnomes)?
The Inn has a lot of each race, I want to say something like 15-20, should get you there, and 'rax can set your guards' race (Muffinus)

2014 Halloween Pumpkin Carving Contest
The annual Halloween pumpkin contest is here, and Alex-the-lion already got a jump on things with this nice pumpkin:


Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
The Halloween season has finally arrived, and we’re ready to cut straight to the heart of the holiday. If you're dying to pick up a knife and hack, gash, slash, and jab at something, then you might be excited to hear that as of October 14, Blizzard's 2014 Halloween Pumpkin Carving Contest has officially begun! Unleash your magical axes, psi blades, chitinous claws, and other creative cutlery to carve up Blizzard-themed jack-o’-lanterns of epic awesomeness. If you’re unclear as to what epic awesomeness looks like in the flesh, you can check out previous pumpkins for some inspiration..

We’ll choose five of the grandest Cucurbita to earn one (1) Hallow's End Nemesis: The Headless Horseman Action Figure. Don’t delay; start carving right away! The twelfth annual pumpkin carving contest ends on October 29, so be sure to check out the contest page for rules and eligibility and get straight to slicing.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Class Balance, Blasted Lands Quest Reward, Oct 15 Hotfixes, Group Finder, Stat Squish started by chaud View original post
Published on 2014-10-16 05:39 AM
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  1. Neccy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhope444 View Post
    because priest have more utility than hunters. heals/buffs/mp5 hunters give nothing other than aspect of the fox now. so if we dont have dps we have nothing. A shadowpriest can dps lower but bring alot more to a group with some ohshit moment saves
    That is absolutely not the case in WoD. Shadow priests and every other hybrid for that matter no longer offer any additional utility than pures do. Every dps spec, as far as I know, has at most one utility button exclusive to the spec. For shadow priests, it's Vampiric Embrace. For mages, it's Amplify Magic. Hunters, Aspect of the Fox. I believe Ret Paladins don't even get one.
  1. Aelric70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri-tan View Post
    This is exactly the situation my friend is in =\ After playing beta he decided to switch to warrior, so he boosted one and he's been trying so hard to get his ilvl up, but is at 509... one. point. away. All of us are waiting and eager to hit up UBRS but now because of this ONE TRINKET we can't go.
    How freakin helpless are you guys? Grind out a few bgs or skirmishes and grab one measly 550 PvP item to clear the minimum. Assuming the 5.3 stuff still has dailies, you can PvE about 700 honor every day. Even 2 days of that is enough for a 550 ring, cloak, neck, or bracer. 3 days for boots, trinkets, belt, gloves or shoulders--all without lifting one PvP finger.
  1. Irezumi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelric70 View Post
    How freakin helpless are you guys? Grind out a few bgs or skirmishes and grab one measly 550 PvP item to clear the minimum. Assuming the 5.3 stuff still has dailies, you can PvE about 700 honor every day. Even 2 days of that is enough for a 550 ring, cloak, neck, or bracer. 3 days for boots, trinkets, belt, gloves or shoulders--all without lifting one PvP finger.

    So much this, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Brozumi/simple dinged 2 days ago, already 532, haven't to PVP or raid. [although I did have the honor saved for the 550 bow, I still had enough coins to get the isle bow regardless.]

    Put in some effort, the game is easy.
  1. lichbane's Avatar
    Just to be clear where hunters are in the rankings ... http://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/5#dataset=50

    That's the entire hunter CLASS. Not a single spec. And Shadow Priests are doing pretty well now.
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lichbane View Post
    Just to be clear where hunters are in the rankings ... http://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/5#dataset=50

    That's the entire hunter CLASS. Not a single spec. And Shadow Priests are doing pretty well now.
    Aside from the fact that nobody knows how screwed that statistic is, I find it interesting that shadows(the ONLY damage spec of Priests, so you got no alternative there) are doing pretty well by your definition although the majority of other specs are doing better(up to 25% better). Seems like it is carved in your mind that the shadow is already fine when it is "somewhere down there" while you cry out loud if the hunter is "down there too".

    Maybe cause it's always been like that? But that really ain't a good reason for ANY shadow out there since NO shadow has been invited by a group for it's "utility" in ages. People want dps from a dd...
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Now being the operative word. They weren't doing well all expansion and I don't even play a priest. Someone has to be on the bottom, it's impossible not to have a class there so it's your turn. The end.
  1. Arkthus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ejpaints View Post
    If you're first in dps on a hunter right now your group sucked horribly.
    My group DPS ranking is the same as before... The 2 hunters are first, we have a shaman on third, a rogue on 4th, a priest on 5th, the rest are tanks and heals (3 heals). And nothing changed at all except the lower numbers, but the overall power of the group is the same. (though the heroic version seemed very easy to me... We were able to do 7 boss in a row, facerolling, when we had just finished Thok when the patch went live.)

    Sorry but I could have understood what happens with hunters, but right now, my character doesn't seem underpowered on MoP content. But on the UBRS dungeon however, I had trouble making my way to the top DPS, maybe it's what people are talking about ?
  1. ejpaints's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthus View Post
    My group DPS ranking is the same as before... The 2 hunters are first, we have a shaman on third, a rogue on 4th, a priest on 5th, the rest are tanks and heals (3 heals). And nothing changed at all except the lower numbers, but the overall power of the group is the same. (though the heroic version seemed very easy to me... We were able to do 7 boss in a row, facerolling, when we had just finished Thok when the patch went live.)

    Sorry but I could have understood what happens with hunters, but right now, my character doesn't seem underpowered on MoP content. But on the UBRS dungeon however, I had trouble making my way to the top DPS, maybe it's what people are talking about ?
    Ok seeing your group comp I understand a bit more. Despite your shaman should be beating you still if their gear is comparable. You're top bc of your group comp. I spent the past year raiding with warrior, 2 hunters, warlock, monk, and spriest. Depending on fight monk and spriest switched roles but we generally solo tanked/2 healed most of the now mythic bosses. All but the spriest have been competing on dps the entire time. Generally I was first bc BM burst. But, we were all pretty on par. Even the spriest wasn't far below us.

    Now in 6.0, not only is the warrior doing double that of the hunters, but ppl playing warrior & a few other classes who are 20-30 ilvls below us are annihilating us. I've played with this other hunter for over a year. We've been competing for top all year. Overnight we not only dropped to the bottom but we're barely doing half the dps of the top. That's unbalanced, and where the complaints are stemming from.

    Now for the priest comments. Our priest has gone disc as was the plan for 20 man all along bc he's always been backup heals anyway. But, considering priest is the only class with 2 heal specs which has 1 particular spell that's extremely easily abused right now, my sympathy there is somewhat lacking.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Whether you like to heal or not is irrelevant. Priest always has the option to switch roles. Hunters do not, which is why us being at the bottom on all 3 specs is so unacceptable. Priest can switch roles whether they want to or not. Hunter has to switch toons. It benches the entire class. And I'm not referring to sims, I'm referring to logs, as MM may sim mid pack but logs of fights with actual mechanics requiring movement show the real picture here.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    And if you want to only dps your only option as a priest is to reroll. It's the same damn thing. Nobody is forced to heal. Your argument works both ways. If you don't want to play hunter because it's low then reroll and stfu.
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ejpaints View Post

    Whether you like to heal or not is irrelevant. Priest always has the option to switch roles. Hunters do not, which is why us being at the bottom on all 3 specs is so unacceptable. Priest can switch roles whether they want to or not. Hunter has to switch toons. It benches the entire class. And I'm not referring to sims, I'm referring to logs, as MM may sim mid pack but logs of fights with actual mechanics requiring movement show the real picture here.

    What a crappy comment. Playing a dd and playing a healer is a totally different playstyle. Different dd-classes differ much less in their playstyle than spriest and disc/holy. If you say "spriest not good? Then just play healer." then I say "Hunter not good? Fine, level a different class, you got a free level 90 boost anyway.". Such a statement is ignorant, egoistic and stupid...sorry.
  1. ejpaints's Avatar
    The issues with hunters in there current state has been reported for months during beta testing. Less on ptr thanks to the broken character copy. They were ignored or right out dismissed for lack of "data". It wasn't until logs got posted that the blue dragon finally admitted the issue that he had denied existed only days before. As a matter of fact, you can listen to them claiming the sims were wrong on the convert to raid podcast recorded Monday. The very next day logs get posting showing they were almost dead on and finally they acknowledge what had already been reported. Hence the ticked off attitude about it by many players.

    Every time I post feedback on an issue regardless of how minor it is, I get 10+ people making the comment that "it's beta it'll change". Well no kidding! That's why I'm posting the feedback to tell them what I'm seeing! Classic example: trap launcher falls off when switching talents right now. Got berated by people as whining by stating the circumstance, what I was doing when it was happening, etc. yet low and behold watcherdev was unaware of this issue and asked us questions to help track it down. (That one still isn't fixed). But we got the same treatment from other players for reporting that AOC trinket was bugged for survival. But oh look they hotfixed it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    You consider it egotistic for me to tell them to switch specs, I consider it egotistic to tell me to switch classes. It works both ways. They have a choice if the reroll. I don't. And for the record, I won't reroll. I've raided on a hunter for 8 years. If I can't raid on the hunter I'm more likely to unsub simply bc there's nothing for me to do in game at that point. Mind you I have full intentions to give them a chance to fix things. But as a mythic raider I'm useless at the moment. So if it stays that way in Highmaul I'm out of a job 2 weeks after launch. 5 mans and quests aren't the content I play. So I'll take a break till it's fixed if it comes to it simply to not waste money while I can't play.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    So spriests have the option to reroll but hunters don't? That's what you're saying? Do you even read what you have written before hitting post? Someone has to be on the bottom of the charts. Being able to tank or heal means nothing.
  1. ejpaints's Avatar
    I'm fully aware of what I wrote. You seem to think pure dps classes being bottom is fine. Luckily blizz does not. I happen to have 1 of every class leveled already. I dps on hunter out of preference. I'm fully aware of what the other classes can and can't do so it would benefit you to stop acting like priest is so helpless. Even our priest thought you sounded ridiculous. If you want to dps and only dps you don't pick the class with 2/3 healing specs. Call it egotistic all you like.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ejpaints View Post
    I'm fully aware of what I wrote. You seem to think pure dps classes being bottom is fine. Luckily blizz does not. I happen to have 1 of every class leveled already. I dps on hunter out of preference. I'm fully aware of what the other classes can and can't do so it would benefit you to stop acting like priest is so helpless. Even our priest thought you sounded ridiculous. If you want to dps and only dps you don't pick the class with 2/3 healing specs. Call it egotistic all you like.
    I don't even play a priest.
  1. mmocd76284f6fb's Avatar
    After 7.5 years of playing I still find it interesting how people have to be so competitive about their DPS in raids.

    I would like to remind some of you that we only just got this PRE-Patch a few days ago and we have another 3 weeks before the REAL Expac is released then we can level to 100 and really find out who why and what our chars are capable of.

    Have fun out there and look out behind you
  1. ejpaints's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMarshall View Post
    After 7.5 years of playing I still find it interesting how people have to be so competitive about their DPS in raids.

    I would like to remind some of you that we only just got this PRE-Patch a few days ago and we have another 3 weeks before the REAL Expac is released then we can level to 100 and really find out who why and what our chars are capable of.

    Have fun out there and look out behind you
    My concern was at level 100. They're working on getting that closer though so my concerns are no longer what they were. I don't care if I'm at the top. What I did care about was the fact that I was suddenly doing half that of people 30 ilvls below me overnight. It made it near impossible for me to accomplish tasks that I have been doing in raid for the better part of a year. The problem also exists at lvl 100 on beta, and it wasn't until 6.0 dropped and parses showing the issues were posted that the problems were acknowledged.

    They are over nerfing and over buffing some classes right now, but the difference between bottom and top is significantly smaller than it was. Prior to changes the bottom was simming roughly half what the top was and actual parses were showing those sims to be pretty freaking accurate. That was the concern. It causes entire classes to be benched on mythic teams. Good players in most cases were suddenly unable to perform at the level required all because of mistakes made on balancing. It's still not where it needs to be, but it's better, and after a few more tuning passes it will be closer.

    This isn't about competition over dps to everyone. For someone like me it's about avoiding having to force people to reroll for FoTM because that's not fun gameplay.
  1. munkeyinorbit's Avatar
    Lets all say what we are thinking. Hunters are not fine and Shadow Priests should shut their collective dirty mouths. If they wanted to be DPS, they should re-spec to their DPS spec, Warlock. Shadow Priest is a leveling spec so priests can heal raids.It was never intended to be anything but a support spec and now that it is gone it's time for Shadow Priests to move on and play the intended DPS spec for priests, Warlock.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthus View Post
    OK so after 5 bosses in SoO Heroic... no, nothing changed, I'm still the 1st dps of my group, I still don't understand what's wrong with the hunter... But hey, If we get an up I won't complain
    Logs please.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Lets all say what we are thinking. Hunters are not fine and Shadow Priests should shut their collective dirty mouths. If they wanted to be DPS, they should re-spec to their DPS spec, Warlock. Shadow Priest is a leveling spec so priests can heal raids.It was never intended to be anything but a support spec and now that it is gone it's time for Shadow Priests to move on and play the intended DPS spec for priests, Warlock.
    Did a shadow priest kill your parents or something? O.o
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