Patch 6.1 - Mystic Runesaber Mount, Blue Posts, Blue Tweets, DLC #476

Originally Posted by Deleth

They had ten million subscribers after the hype surrounding WoD, the whole expansion is extremly unfinished and lackluster and a lot of people that have come back have left again already, PvP is a catastrophe, Ashran is a catastrophe, so are rep grinds and their possible rewards. Beyond raiding there's basically nothing to do and even that is rather mediocre.
They basically played on the nostalgia and hyped it up as far as they could to lure back as many people as possible to bolster numbers and cash in on that, it wont last for long especially looking at how this expansion is arguably worse than Cataclysm once the novelty of leveling the first 1-2 characters has worn off.

The only part of the game that has gotten attention is the store. With as many mounts as never before being added in such short orders and some of those at the very end of MoP being added to the store being blatantly cut out from factions and even used in game and with them now announcing other ways that will make them even more money on the short term such as game time tokens they're basically squeezing it dry for every single last bit they can possibly get out of it.

the last store mounts were probably made for a WoD with flying, and instead of putting them in the "vault" they sold them

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Originally Posted by Lora Twinblade

They charge that much because they can get away with it, the day it's released we'll see tons of them in Orgrimmar/Stormwind.

If people didn't buy them, Blizzard wouldn't sell them. Even if they would sell more for a cheaper price, they still make more money by keeping it more expensive since it still sells in droves.

Don't expect people in MMO-Champ to understand economics more than what the news pretends economics is. They'll say the mounts subsidize the game, like somehow without the mounts the game would be shitty, and cost more. Even though the price and quality of the game isn't remotely connected to the mounts financially.

Originally Posted by Lora Twinblade

We still have no numbers on how many people have left, so claiming they've lost the ones they gained is nonsense until the first quarter call is released. As it stands, WoD was released 13'th of November, a month and a half after that they still had over 10 million subscribers, so people were clearly content enough to stay subscribed for over a month.

Unless someone took exactly one month from the start of WoD it's unlikely they've already left by now and even I never said "all of them" left but many I know who returned did already and so will others. They baited a lot of people and I'm fairly sure (as are they apparently) that they're going to lose a lot of them again in the next few months or so.
So saying "but it's up to 10 million" and ignoring that they used all the nostalgia and hype they could conjure up when the expansion is arguably worse by a lot than Cataclysm isn't really saying anything against them milking the game for what it's worth since even they don't seem to be overly attached to it anymore for the long run.

PvP is always a catastrophe, always have been, always will be. Go back to any time period in WoW's past and see what people thought of the current PvP then, only afterwards have I seen people happy with what it was like; "perhaps Wrath's balance wasn't so bad after all", even though there was nothing but complaining at the time.

It's like saying "people complained just year when we merely had 10 million in debts, now they complain because we have 15! People always complain about debts!". Just because things are progressively getting worse doesn't invalidate the complaints nor counters them.

Ashran did indeed fail, but both Wintergrasp and Tol'barad got plenty of criticism when they were current for being completely broken and unplayable.

Neither TB nor Wintergrasp were as hyped as Ashran was, neither were this ambitionous and neither ate up every other PvP content. This is the first expansion with no new battleground or anything else going for it because "We'll bring you Trashcan!".

The store has gotten a just about equal amount of attention ever since they released it, it hasn't increased this past while.

Okay now I know you're not being honest. The store came out 2010 and by now has 9. 3 came during MoP alone, WoD is already up to four with two blatantly being cut from the game where they're even shown. The trend on this should be pretty clear by now especially looking at the in game aquired mounts. I don't understand how you people can actually defend and support Blizzard giving this game a shop you'd expect from a f2p title while also cashing in on monthly subscriptions.

Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

the last store mounts were probably made for a WoD with flying, and instead of putting them in the "vault" they sold them

Either that or more likely they just thought screw it and thre them into the store instead since they can make a lot of money that way. But hey I guess it's just coincidence that all factions ingame offer the same bland wolf mount affiliated with the Frostwolfs while their respective faction mounts somehow ended up on the store instead.

Originally Posted by Frakchaw

Yeah.. but that's not really the point :P

Why not? You claim that all non-store mounts are bad, get proven wrong and now it is not the point?

Yes, there are some non-store mounts which are ugly. So what? So are some store mounts. Iron Skyreaver looks stupid as ground mount. Heart of the Aspects and Armored Blood wing do not even have a ground animation.
Warforged Nightsmares running animation is pretty "meh".

Originally Posted by Nakatar

This. Very amusing read early in the morning, and also 100% true.

Why is it so unreasonable for blizzard to make a mount for the WoW Shope In- Game? Why all the hate? This is a mount everyone gets to have if you are willing to pay 25 Euro for it. If the mount doesn't suit your flavor then you just don't buy it. End of story.

Yeah, the mount costs 25 Euros. Everbody can afford this, but because of different interests / prioritizing that money goes to a greater purpose.
Even if it only is a ground- based mount the fact still stands that the model is pretty damn unique and very good looking. It also is a tiger. A tiger without wings. Sounds pretty reasonable.

In my opinion this mount is worth the money and i will buy it when it goes live! Halleluja!

Trying to explain the real issue with this is like trying to explain Partical Physics to a deaf and blind monkey.

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Originally Posted by Psykhe

Why not? You claim that all non-store mounts are bad, get proven wrong and now it is not the point?

Yes, there are some non-store mounts which are ugly. So what? So are some store mounts. Iron Skyreaver looks stupid as ground mount. Heart of the Aspects and Armored Blood wing do not even have a ground animation.
Warforged Nightsmares running animation is pretty "meh".

Two of those mounts you mentioned were never intended to BE ground mounts.

Originally Posted by Deleth

Unless someone took exactly one month from the start of WoD it's unlikely they've already left by now and even I never said "all of them" left but many I know who returned did already and so will others. They baited a lot of people and I'm fairly sure (as are they apparently) that they're going to lose a lot of them again in the next few months or so.
So saying "but it's up to 10 million" and ignoring that they used all the nostalgia and hype they could conjure up when the expansion is arguably worse by a lot than Cataclysm isn't really saying anything against them milking the game for what it's worth since even they don't seem to be overly attached to it anymore for the long run.

You keep saying they used nostalgia and hype for WoD, yet they did the same for all previous expansions.

Originally Posted by Deleth

It's like saying "people complained just year when we merely had 10 million in debts, now they complain because we have 15! People always complain about debts!". Just because things are progressively getting worse doesn't invalidate the complaints nor counters them.

Who's to say that it's gotten progressively worse? Personally I feel that it's just as bad as it was back then.

Originally Posted by Deleth

Neither TB nor Wintergrasp were as hyped as Ashran was, neither were this ambitionous and neither ate up every other PvP content. This is the first expansion with no new battleground or anything else going for it because "We'll bring you Trashcan!".

Ate up every other PvP content? All of the PvP content is still relevant, and pretty much always will be. People are still running the same arenas, they are still running Warsong Gulch. PvP doesn't need new areas the way PvE does because the players are what makes or breaks the game.

As to how hypes Ashran was compared to Wintergrasp and Tol'barad, I would say that it's difficult to say. The biggest reason for me to hate Ashran is because it was meant to be Alterac Valley 2.0, and on that note, they failed so hard it's just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Deleth

Okay now I know you're not being honest. The store came out 2010 and by now has 9. 3 came during MoP alone, WoD is already up to four with two blatantly being cut from the game where they're even shown. The trend on this should be pretty clear by now especially looking at the in game aquired mounts. I don't understand how you people can actually defend and support Blizzard giving this game a shop you'd expect from a f2p title while also cashing in on monthly subscriptions.

I don't defend them, but neither can I blame them. Blizzard can do pretty much whatever they want, and only us, the players, can punish them for it by not buying it. The fact remains however, that thousands of people buy these mounts, so clearly a large portion find it to be an ok deal (even if they could get a much better deal if none of them bought it).

Originally Posted by Sin Cara

I'm a little surprised on the number of people who are upset over store mounts or downright feeling entitled.
Next time you go see your favorite super hero movie, take your ticket stub into Walmart and demand a free action figure because you have gone to see all of the movies.

No offense but that has to be the most stupid analogy i have ever heard of. May God have mercy on your soul.

Originally Posted by Nakatar

Yes, you paid for the expansion to play it and earn shit, is that not possible anymore or did i miss something?
You're not entitled to buy anything at all, Shudder, but if you're jealous of people having too much to spend then that's your problem. If you dislike the fact that people like to support something they like, even if that means buying a mount from the WoW Store, then go somewhere else.

And no, i'm not a masochist. I just love the koolaid.

Jealous? Are you kidding me? Anyone with a computer, a roof over their head, internet and the game plus sub can afford a measly $25 for a mount. I can easily afford it. It's not the point. Why would I buy something in a game? It loses all value if it's not earned. It's like back in the old days when people used gamegenie. What's the point giving yourself unlimited gold or max stats? You didn't earn that, you didn't play the game. You skipped everything. Buying gold and buying mounts and buying transmog gear, it's ridiculous. It's a fucking game, we're supposed to earn stuff in it by wasting our time.

If the mounts were available to be earned in game and not locked by a third paywall then I wouldn't have an issue. Right now if someone saw this mount and wanted it but didn't play WoW they would have to buy the game, buy the expansion, set up a sub fee THEN buy it from the store. You'd think after spending all that money they'd have access to it and could go about earning it in game. Most rational people that aren't blizzard white knights would think that's just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Sin Cara

I'm a little surprised on the number of people who are upset over store mounts or downright feeling entitled.
Next time you go see your favorite super hero movie, take your ticket stub into Walmart and demand a free action figure because you have gone to see all of the movies.

This has to be one of the dumbest analogies I've seen. In your little warped mind Walmart ALWAYS gave free action figures when you paid for a movie. Now they've decided to charge you for the movie and then double charge you for the best action figures while giving you shit ones for free.

My only bitch is whatever happened to the Timewalker dungeons stuff, like I really was looking forward to that feature and feel like that was the niche they needed to keep people from being bored between pvp and raiding. I don't mind the store mounts cause if I want it I can get it and if I don't oh well.

Originally Posted by thetraveler12

Trying to explain the real issue with this is like trying to explain Partical Physics to a deaf and blind monkey.

If i could reach over this screen, this deaf and blind monkey would've punched you in the face.

Originally Posted by Psykhe

Why not? You claim that all non-store mounts are bad, get proven wrong and now it is not the point?

Yes, there are some non-store mounts which are ugly. So what? So are some store mounts. Iron Skyreaver looks stupid as ground mount. Heart of the Aspects and Armored Blood wing do not even have a ground animation.
Warforged Nightsmares running animation is pretty "meh".

I didn't claim ALL non-store mounts are bad so you can't read to begin with. Futhermore the statement had no relevance to the point I was making. So uh.. maybe instead of trying to be smart and outwit me or whatever you're trying to do I'll help ya understand;

MOST(read: NOT ALL) of the WoD mounts suck compared to the store mounts, hell they suck compared to the mounts we got in vanilla, bc, wotlk, cata and mop yet they DO put the proper amount of time into making sure the store mounts are awesome and work well - and you think this is ok? I don't.

So I was wrong, it appears to (so far) be the only ground only mount in the store, even though it might technically fly at some point... Oh well.


But people who get upset over VANITY AND COSMETIC ITEMS being sold in the store, are quite silly honestly... If this gave some sort of advantage in the game, then yeah then you can complain but it literally provides nothing of value other than being a cool and quite frankly, amazing looking mount... Buy it if you want, and save your money if you don't, it's literally that simple.

Maybe - just maybe, if they sell enough store mounts...we'll get another raid tier.

I don't see HOW anyone can even try and argue that Blizzard don't clearly put FAR FARRR more thought and effort into the store mounts than they do any in game.

Sure we have a load of mounts added in WoD but the VAST majority are just mobs with saddles stuck on them - there are some really horrendous animation. The likes of this mount and the reaver, (no matter what your aesthetic preference is) are quite clearly better made, far more detailed and of a higher quality than any added for "Free".

It's got to the point where its pretty obvious that if their design team comes up with a really nice idea for a mount they'll just save it for the store to get extra cash.

The best Dark Legacy ever

Originally Posted by rogueMatthias

I don't see HOW anyone can even try and argue that Blizzard don't clearly put FAR FARRR more thought and effort into the store mounts than they do any in game.

I can't believe you're arguing that it takes that much work to make a mount.

I like DW Frost DK more than 2H. It'd be nice if the crafting (3) only counted to one of my crafted blades, because I also have the greataxe for blood spec... and two crafted for blood compared to two weapon crafts and one plate craft for frost seems... ehh...

A) where is its ears?
B) why can't you update my spectral tiger to look like this?