Paragon Finished Raiding, Soft Foam Sword, Water Striders, Tweets, Fan Art Update

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Paragon Finished Raiding
Paragon has decided that they are done raiding. You can find the full article and list of kills on their site. Congratulations to them for many years of World First kills!


Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
We have decided to stop raiding which obviously means we will not be a part of the world first race in Legion. In the end it came between going international, playing with suboptimal Finnish roster or quitting. For a while I was seriously considering going the international route, but in the end decided it was not worth the trouble for me. This question has been looming over our heads for a long time as it has always been a challenge to get a solid Finnish 20-25man roster together and this time there was no 10man option to bail us out.

Going forward I have no idea if we will be playing WoW in any capacity in the future, we will have to see what is the situation when Legion launches. In the meantime you might see some of us in the fields of Overwatch.

I would like to thank everyone who played in progress raids with us and made this all possible.



Legion - Soft Foam Sword
A recent Legion build added the Soft Foam Sword. It currently kills most mobs rather than reducing their health, but it does appear to work on critters. The current max level for creatures you can use it on is 20 levels below your character level, meaning it will work for Mists of Pandaria and older content once you are Level 110 in Legion.



Legion - Water Striders
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Thanks for the feedback, and I apologize for alarm caused by a seemingly random change. What you see in our weekly Alpha builds is a snapshot of thinking that is often actively evolving, including experiments that we’re about to discard, or solutions to problems that are overly crude just because it’s our first iteration and we simply haven’t come up with anything better yet.

I’d like to shed some light on our thought process in exploring this change. No, we’re not trying to stamp out fun, or destroy the value of hard-won rewards arbitrarily. The concern that drives this process is that mounts are primarily cosmetic choices, and are one of the most visible ways of showing off an aesthetic you enjoy, or an achievement of which you are proud. But water-walking makes Water Striders mechanically superior to other ground mounts in a way that risks removing a feeling of choice. Even if you want to show off that Invincible that you finally managed to farm up, or your Grove Warden, you may end up feeling foolish for using anything other than the Water Strider in areas where you can’t fly, just because it offers that mechanical advantage.

Our initial change was aimed at letting people feel more free to choose the mount that they felt looked coolest, whether in new content or while leveling alts. But as we’ve clearly heard from your feedback, removing the water-walking functionality from pre-existing content feels like we’re taking away something that you have worked hard to earn, and that cost outweighs any benefit from potentially broadened cosmetic options.

So, in the next Alpha build, we’re restoring the ability of Water Striders to walk on water in all pre-Legion content (Azeroth, Outland, Northrend, etc.). The restriction on the mounts’ water-walking ability will now only apply to the Broken Isles and future content beyond that.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Legion
is there any point at all in the EU alpha forums? just let us in the US instead?
Yes, absolutely. We read it all. Just easier to respond on US forums. Assume you'll see responses, regardless of where they are? (Celestalon)

Lore
Then we have other Blizzard employees denying that Fel would be a form of life magic, like Matt.
So now I'm just wondering if Sean Copeland lied to me and others.
I think I just wasn't clear tbh Nature spells use life energy, fel spells burn/consume life energy/souls, ya? (Muffinus)
that's more of a semantic discussion than a lie, if something burns life, is it "life magic?" IDK "life magic" isnt (Muffinus)
really all that well-defined, not sure it's been mentioned in-game, outside of maybe chi? (Muffinus)
bottom line is: no one is telling you lies, there isn't a conspiracy or anything, it seems to be mostly word choice (Muffinus)

Ghostcrawler Tweets
Ghostcrawler still occasionally talks about WoW. Remember that he no longer works for or speaks for Blizzard.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
If I may ask, what do you think makes MOBAs such a popular genre for e-sports?
Easy to understand the action. Good stories both on and off the field. You can be a fan at lots of different levels of intensity. (OccupyGStreet)
By the latter I mean you can see your favorite champ get played or get into nuance of individual player preferences and history. (OccupyGStreet)



Character Transfer Gold Cap Increase
The transfer gold cap increase was delayed yesterday, but should be going live tonight!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Looks like it should be going live now

Fan Art Update
The World of Warcraft Fan Art Section has been updated with twelve new pieces of fan artwork.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Paragon Finished Raiding, Soft Foam Sword, Water Striders, Tweets, Fan Art Update started by chaud View original post
Published on 2016-02-26 07:41 AM
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  1. Fenis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by akse View Post
    It's all water and you have to swim.. feels like you had a lot content but it only took a huge amount of time.
    Is that really all water ? I hated the aquatic zone with swimming up/down and hoped they will never come back. That's the worse design they made.
  1. mmoce0fbf970d8's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Baelic View Post
    As far as I can recall, Paragon was quite respectable in the community in terms of conduct, so how exactly are they toxic?
    I don't know if "toxic" is the right word here, but I'm definitely happy to see world first guilds slowly retiring. World first race has been a joke for several years now, with only a handful of guilds "racing" against each other.

    There was basically no competition at all, and that's one of the reason Method quit a while ago. World first was flawed as only 2-3 guilds in the world were able to spend entire weeks constantly raiding all day (plus all the time spent in beta), cutting out 99% of the community. The introduction of 20 man only Mythic futher killed the progress scene to a point were just two guilds were competing.

    When gating was a thing, competition was more interesting, but still stupid. WoW is not, and will never be, a competitive game since time invested plays a major role in it.

    With Method and Paragon out of the game, I suppose Serenity will shortly follow, and we will finally get rid of this stupid "competition".
  1. mmocf6edb8744c's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Drekha View Post
    So... Until people acquire their Jesus-ring (and the tedious job of (un)equiping it every time), DK's, Locks and Shaman will have an advantage over other classes?

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    Yes please!
    So do Mages have the most ultimate of time advantages with Teleport? Shouldn't we all have Teleport then? How about those pesky Hunters with their OP pets tanking everything, should we all get pets?!

    How the fuck are you SO entitled, it's an MMO bro, you're playing the wrong type of game with that attitude..
  1. mmoc8b9477f07c's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarlol View Post
    I don't know if "toxic" is the right word here, but I'm definitely happy to see world first guilds slowly retiring. World first race has been a joke for several years now, with only a handful of guilds "racing" against each other.

    There was basically no competition at all, and that's one of the reason Method quit a while ago. World first was flawed as only 2-3 guilds in the world were able to spend entire weeks constantly raiding all day (plus all the time spent in beta), cutting out 99% of the community. The introduction of 20 man only Mythic futher killed the progress scene to a point were just two guilds were competing.

    When gating was a thing, competition was more interesting, but still stupid. WoW is not, and will never be, a competitive game since time invested plays a major role in it.

    With Method and Paragon out of the game, I suppose Serenity will shortly follow, and we will finally get rid of this stupid "competition".
    How does this competition hurt you in any way? Maybe some others find it fun to watch this competition every few months.
    Not sure why you would to get rid of things others enjoy but hey .. to each their own I guess.
  1. NoRest4Wicked's Avatar
    I must have missed it, whats the new transfer gold cap?
  1. mmoca1f309ca84's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lordelo View Post
    Paragon quitting means it's time to congratulate Serenity for getting all the legion world first kills until they also stop playing!
    Where is the reason - if there is none to compete with?
  1. mmoce0fbf970d8's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by woozie21 View Post
    How does this competition hurt you in any way? Maybe some others find it fun to watch this competition every few months.
    Not sure why you would to get rid of things others enjoy but hey .. to each their own I guess.
    Because, as I said, it never was a competition.
    It's not a race if Method has no opponents in the 25man bracket for all of Cata and MoP, neither it was for Paragon in the 10man bracket.
    It was a joke before, and now with these two guilds gone what exactly are we going to see in Legion? Serenity racing against who exactly?

    You and others enjoyed watching a bunch of people that had the time to wipe 13 hours per day for 2 weeks until they popped an achievement, I don't. My idea of competition is based on skill ALONE. If I want real competition, I'll go watch LoL LCS, DOTA International, Quakecon or Starcraft International.

    I'm not happy because the only thing that remotely resembled a competitive scene in WoW is fading away, I'm happy because with this scene dying we might finally get a new progress system that would allow a greater number of partecipants in, and thus have a REAL competition.
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarlol View Post
    Because, as I said, it never was a competition.
    It's not a race if Method has no opponents in the 25man bracket for all of Cata and MoP, neither it was for Paragon in the 10man bracket.
    It was a joke before, and now with these two guilds gone what exactly are we going to see in Legion? Serenity racing against who exactly?

    You and others enjoyed watching a bunch of people that had the time to wipe 13 hours per day for 2 weeks until they popped an achievement, I don't. My idea of competition is based on skill ALONE. If I want real competition, I'll go watch LoL LCS, DOTA International, Quakecon or Starcraft International.

    I'm not happy because the only thing that remotely resembled a competitive scene in WoW is fading away, I'm happy because with this scene dying we might finally get a new progress system that would allow a greater number of partecipants in, and thus have a REAL competition.
    Don't be butthurt. To kill those bosses designed with a certain ilvl in mind, with lower ilvl do need skill and high knowledge of the game/classes itself.

    Of course I don't feel anything about guilds that even if only once, abused something wrong to get an edge, like LFR bugs, saronite bombs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woozie21 View Post
    How does this competition hurt you in any way? Maybe some others find it fun to watch this competition every few months.
    Not sure why you would to get rid of things others enjoy but hey .. to each their own I guess.
    Actually it does in a way hurt the game for some players.

    Like Blizzard nerfing FL heroic to normal level as soon as the 1st guild killed Ragnaros. If you were the type that had fun trying to progress in there (and we should have at least 5 more months before anything would happen to the instance. 6 months is the normal life time of a raid/pvp season patch), the competition removed your fun in that way.

    All the beta training also hurts in a way (even when people try to hide a bug/flaw in beta to use in live servers) since to some, it spoils the fun by having all the strats layed out as soon as the game is live. That kind of player will have to constantly find 19 other players that want to progress that way instead of sit and wait for the next boss strat.

    And the list goes on. If it doesn't hurt you, does not mean that it won't hurt anyone else. This is a game with a diverse player base.
  1. NFA's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nmityosaurus View Post
    So do Mages have the most ultimate of time advantages with Teleport? Shouldn't we all have Teleport then? How about those pesky Hunters with their OP pets tanking everything, should we all get pets?!

    How the fuck are you SO entitled, it's an MMO bro, you're playing the wrong type of game with that attitude..
    I wonder if the average poster here is just so young they unintentionally let the point go across their head or if they're simply too stupid.
  1. elvor0's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle View Post
    Paragon over? GOOD NEW. It's time to remove those sick guilds from the game, they are toxic.
    How exactly are they toxic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarlol View Post
    You and others enjoyed watching a bunch of people that had the time to wipe 13 hours per day for 2 weeks until they popped an achievement, I don't. My idea of competition is based on skill ALONE. If I want real competition, I'll go watch LoL LCS, DOTA International, Quakecon or Starcraft International.
    Time invested doesn't negate the fact that its still skill based. RNG isn't effecting the outcome of their attempts, the boss doesn't just collapse out of pity after X number of hours invested, how is it not skill based? Yeah I don't really care about the world first race either, nor do I care to watch other people raid, but I feel your dislikes and opinions are colouring your idea of what is involved in that race.

    Realistically the cutting edge is always going to only contain a few regardless of how many people in total can participate.
  1. InfernalDark's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by NoRest4Wicked View Post
    I must have missed it, whats the new transfer gold cap?
    Scroll down.
  1. Logwyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarlol View Post
    Because, as I said, it never was a competition.
    It's not a race if Method has no opponents in the 25man bracket for all of Cata and MoP, neither it was for Paragon in the 10man bracket.
    It was a joke before, and now with these two guilds gone what exactly are we going to see in Legion? Serenity racing against who exactly?
    Who ever was 3rd, 4th, 5th? Even if they were way behind. I still think the race should have taken a few weeks than a couple days.... And I do think having mythic level at 20 man was stupid.
  1. gHouLwiNg's Avatar
    Thank you Paragon, /bow! LK world 1st is the best and most epic world 1st of them all!
  1. Airlick's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarlol View Post
    With Method and Paragon out of the game, I suppose Serenity will shortly follow, and we will finally get rid of this stupid "competition".
    Nature hates vacuum.
  1. VitesseEOD's Avatar
    SO presumably theyre gonna remove the DK/Warlock ability to run on water in those zones too, else their reasoning is bullshit
  1. glowpipe's Avatar
    Just make the waterstrider unusable in lvl 100+ zones. Problem solved. For leveling 1+ i rather have the mount walk on water than showing of any of my most valued mounts.
  1. teidden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle View Post
    Paragon over? GOOD NEW. It's time to remove those sick guilds from the game, they are toxic.

    This is exactly the sad state that WOW is in when you have comments like this about a well respected guild and a system that does not harm your play in anyway. But it got people interested in the game as a whole. They going to make this game so casual that all that will be left is one button easy facebook game like mmo. And then would you casuals be happy then? No you be miserable because no one will be playing it.


    RIP Paragon and water strider from the game. No sense in riding it now. Thanks Blizzard for slowly destroying your game.
  1. chillshock's Avatar
    So.... they nerf and tweak and prune the game to allow for fairer competitive gameplay... and the competitive guilds quit because it's boring. Hm. ok.

    So we'll have a game where you aren't focussed on a character and it's decisions over his time in the game (anything can be reverted, changed, switched, toggled) and you don't have competetive pvp or pve? Yeah... I'm sure the sub-curve in legion is going to look soooo much different from wod... :/
  1. ls-'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ean View Post
    So.... they nerf and tweak and prune the game to allow for fairer competitive gameplay... and the competitive guilds quit because it's boring. Hm. ok.

    So we'll have a game where you aren't focussed on a character and it's decisions over his time in the game (anything can be reverted, changed, switched, toggled) and you don't have competetive pvp or pve? Yeah... I'm sure the sub-curve in legion is going to look soooo much different from wod... :/
    But they are <1%, no one cares! I want my epics and achievements for $15 I pay! /s
  1. mmoce0fbf970d8's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by VanishO2 View Post
    Don't be butthurt. To kill those bosses designed with a certain ilvl in mind, with lower ilvl do need skill and high knowledge of the game/classes itself.
    Of course they are highly skilled players, I never said otherwise.
    Still won't change the fact that time played an equal if not larger part in the races, making it a no-cometition from the start.
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