Paragon Finished Raiding, Soft Foam Sword, Water Striders, Tweets, Fan Art Update

Originally Posted by nmityosaurus

So do Mages have the most ultimate of time advantages with Teleport? Shouldn't we all have Teleport then? How about those pesky Hunters with their OP pets tanking everything, should we all get pets?!

How the fuck are you SO entitled, it's an MMO bro, you're playing the wrong type of game with that attitude..

Rofl are you serious?
They are removing a mount’s waterwalking ability while that same effect remains in tact for certain classes. I don't get how that would be the same as “Class A has a spell that I don’t have, please remove it from class A”. Everybody has access to the Strider and now it is being taken out.

My questioning was legit. Blizzard doesn’t want a waterwalking mount it seems , yet certain class abilities that also grand waterwalking remain untouched giving them an advantage over players that play a different class. Why are you so upset and claim it to be my ‘entitlement attitude’?

Originally Posted by Williamgood

Don't forget hunters with a certain pet =p.

Nope they are taking that away aswell. Water strikers will no longer give water walking.

That's why the mounts basically feel useless in this game these days. It feels that everything had a purpose before more or less, now it's evolving more and more to the cosmetic side of things - that includes gear, leveling and useable items. I stopped caring about the flying mounts when it was streamlined to be same speed like the others.

Mount skins are as useless as weapon skins in CS:GO, but I guess most people go for those colors instead of function. I'd like to have an RPG game again, where whole world gives some purpose on things again...

Maybe a solution to water walking mounts:
Have a questline or multiple objective achievment that unlocks water walking for all your mounts. Similar to how flying unlocked in dreanor.
I'm sure they can come up with some kind of lore or story for those that care about a realistic reason why its possible.
Classes and effects that previously granted waterwalking can be converted into a speed bonus while walking water.
Or another possibility is that this new water walking ability has a duration bar (like breath) and those classes and effects could increase or negate that timer.

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also, this art is amazing.

This damn 20 man mythic is what killed my guild entirely too. They really need to bring 10 man mythic back....and that will never happen lol.

I quit raiding in March 2014, best thing i ever done!

Originally Posted by TheDeeGee

I quit raiding in March 2014, best thing i ever done!

I went casual after our server first HLK 25 kill. Cata and MoP added so much to do... WoD however was a complete flop. Hey, we should get Jaylock to convince them there's still stuff to do and they should keep raiding.

And yet again Blizzard is reminded of the huge mistake they made removing 10 and 25 and going with this stupid 20 only. Not only are top guilds quitting most of the other guilds have too.

Release 10 man raiding again. It honestly shouldn't be to hard to balance going from 20 to 10 and it makes it easier to recruit for. I used to exclusively raid 10 man back in the day and enjoy it a lot more then 20 man.

Originally Posted by Shudder

And yet again Blizzard is reminded of the huge mistake they made removing 10 and 25 and going with this stupid 20 only. Not only are top guilds quitting most of the other guilds have too.

Yup. There needs to be a 10 man mythic because some guilds just don't have the structure for a 20 man mythic setup. Also Paragon really should have stopped with this "finnish only" stuff because yeah it's their decision to pick whatever language they want but creating a restriction like that can hurt a guild. Also great bs excuse on the whole water strider thing blizz.

i loved the videos form Paragon its ashame, still everything comes to an end

Aww dear. Well, good luck with reintegrating with society. I don't think you'll make it on the outside.

The restriction on the mounts’ water-walking ability will now only apply to the Broken Isles and future content beyond that.
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them.

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Originally Posted by GMZohar1

Heh Legion must have some important water zones.. Without water walking it will take some people a little longer to finish the water parts, therefor making the expansion seem longer than what it is..

I was thinking the same! Slow down progress, make people think it's BIG expansion. In reality, I do pretty believe it will suck ass.

Originally Posted by VanishO2

Don't be butthurt. To kill those bosses designed with a certain ilvl in mind, with lower ilvl do need skill and high knowledge of the game/classes itself.

This would have more meaning if the guilds were making fresh, brand new attempts when the expansion releases - but they don't, they have been wiping and learning throughout the beta, and have their raid teams stacked with every advantage they can come up with before release - what quests to do right away for what gear, buying out anything on the BMAH that will help them, what classes to bring, they know the strats and bosses, or enough to plow through the first couple of bosses easily...it's not really as impressive as it looks. Yes, they are more skilled than most players, but it would be far more impressive to walk into a new raid with no knowledge of it beforehand, and be the first to figure out all the fights.

And..who's to say an up and coming guild won't take their place? There were more than just two or three guilds trying last time I looked - it's just the top 2 or 3 had a lock on the races...until now. If I were in that world, and had a good raid team that was just on the verge of being able to take on the race now that Paragon is stepping down, I'd be spending the next couple of months building up my team to give it a solid shot. This black and white mentality is amusing - Paragon quits, there is no more world first raiding, because there are only 2 or 3 guilds in the world, right? C'mon. Someone is gonna step up. You know it's going to happen.

The only good thing with no real world first race is the inevitable "OMG the game is too easy all of the content has already been beaten in two weeks" crowd will have nothing to snivel about. Oh, wait - WoW - they'll find something else to whine about. Endlessly.

Originally Posted by Eleccybubb

Yup. There needs to be a 10 man mythic because some guilds just don't have the structure for a 20 man mythic setup. Also Paragon really should have stopped with this "finnish only" stuff because yeah it's their decision to pick whatever language they want but creating a restriction like that can hurt a guild. Also great bs excuse on the whole water strider thing blizz.

It's also insanely hard to recruit and maintain 22ish people when 2/3 of the playerbase quit. The recruitment forums are a wasteland. It's too late for Legion so I don't see the raiding community becoming healthy again till wrath of the lich queen. Hopefully they come to their senses by then.

Originally Posted by Yakshamash

The restriction on the mounts’ water-walking ability will now only apply to the Broken Isles and future content beyond that.
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them.

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I was thinking the same! Slow down progress, make people think it's BIG expansion. In reality, I do pretty believe it will suck ass.

I think, from my casual glancing at the alpha news, is that Legion will suck less than WOD. But, i don't see what will make it rank with MoP or TBC or Wrath. The devs work with an iterative mentality - they don't wipe the slate and start over, they tweak was was there before - thus the garrison is now the class hall, with new paint and tweaked mechanics. The artifacts are the Legendary Ring on a bigger scale. The questing I'm sure will be identical to WOD - on rails, fast, and lacking depth. The dungeons...I haven't read anything about dungeons in Legion, so I won't comment. But it all sounds like "WOD with fixes and tweaks". We don't know how far the story will go, either, so it's hard to judge - or how many raid tiers and content patches they have in mind. If it's as much as MoP, that's great. If it's the same as WOD...they will have a problem keeping players around, again. The no flying decision points to a return of WOD leveling - being stuck in valleys and trenches with only one entrance and exit, and having to finish content to get to the exit, which was one of the more disappointing things about WOD leveling, how "on rails" it was - every alt has essentially the same experience every time - all so the devs can force feed you vistas and content, and keep you from blowing through the scant content too quickly.

It would be hard to suck as much as WOD, or more, so it's safe to say it will suck less. But I haven't seen anything yet that compels me to want to play, it all just sounds like more of the same. Even if I were interested, I'd wait until people actually started playing it to decide - they burned me once on WOD, that won't happen again.

Only thing that will bring me back is 10man mythic. God I loved that.
Please Blizzard. Why do you try so hard to make content for the 1%

This game has been on the decline since cataclysm. Prove me wrong..

Ahahaha, good job Blizzard, your insistence on 20-man Mythic raid sizes has indirectly killed Paragon.

Maybe they'll listen to their player base this time.