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Legion - World Quests
Blizzard gave some additional clarifications today about world quest availability, as well as the original design notes. Please keep in mind we have only had a few days to test it, so the following information could be incomplete or incorrect:

  • World quests become available at Level 110.
  • These quests have a limited duration, with some as short as a few hours and others as long as a week.
  • One faction has a set of emissary quests every day, requiring you to complete four quests for that faction to earn some gold and a cache of loot.
  • Each set of emissary quests will be available for three days, so you can have up to three at once.
  • Quests appear all around the Broken Isles, with markers on the map:
  • Possible rewards include:
    • Artifact Power and Relics
    • Rare item level 805-825+ gear
    • Gold
    • Pet Battle-Stones
    • Order Hall Follower Equipment and Resources
    • Crafting Reagents
    • Pets and Mounts
    • Reputation
  • There are several different types of quests:
    • Regular, Rare, Rare Elite, Epic, Elite, and Epic Elite World Quests
    • Profession World Quests, including Herbalism, Skinning, Mining, First Aid, Fishing, Cooking, and Archaeology
    • Dungeon World Quests
    • PvP World Quests (Not required to complete Emissary quests)
    • Battle Pet World Quests
  • The quest icon helps to indicate what type of quest it is. Swords for PvP, Profession icons, Battle Pet icons, and then different rarity colors and borders around the normal quest icon. The dragon border usually indicates a group is required.





World Quest Availability
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Yes! One of our major design goals for the endgame of Legion is getting players out into the world with friends to do activities.

A few things help accomplish this:

1) Everyone in your entire region will see the same World Quests. Invite your cross-server friends, you can all do the same activities!*

2) Similarly, everyone will see the same loot (or a fallback). If a world boss spawns and is going to drop a mount this week, everyone will see (on the World Quest UI) the mount.**

*Some World Quests may be gated behind personal quest progression (e.g. Suramar), though.

**There will still be random, rare toys/mounts/pets from a variety of activities, this is simply a philosophy for World Quests.

We want to make it easy and fun to coordinate an adventure with your friends, no matter where they are in the world, and what item level they're at.

Legion and the Salvage Yard
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
just saw he salvage crate nerf on MMO-C, will that take effect on prepatch, or will we be able to keep our boxes for wardrobe?
In 7.0, Salvage Yard will give a new crate. Pre-existing unopened crates will not be affected. We’re not THAT cruel.
To clarify, changes like this are being made so that you don't feel obligated to run Draenor missions in Legion. (WarcraftDevs)

To clarify: we're going to make sure you can still get the transmog gear sets. The intention is NOT to remove that gear or make it otherwise inaccessible. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

On Pruning, PvP, and Our Goals for Legion
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
So, let’s talk about pruning. I’d like to give some clearer insight into what we’re trying to achieve, and the type of feedback we’re looking for. Warning: there are likely to be many, many words here.

What you’re seeing in Legion falls under one of two different goals:
  • Refocusing each spec around their core concepts
  • Reduced reliance on cooldowns, both offensive and defensive

I’ll explain these one at a time.

On refocusing: Over the years, as we’ve attempted to add new toys for every class in each expansion, we feel that the gameplay of quite a few specs has drifted away from the philosophies and ideals behind them. For some classes, such as Rogue, the specs don’t really feel very different from each other. For others, such as Priest, the differences are purely mechanical; Discipline uses absorbs, and Holy uses direct healing, but it’s not really clear why.

So, in Legion, we’re taking a hard look at what each spec should make you feel like when you’re playing it, and making sure that the abilities you’re using tie into that. When we talk about “class fantasy,” that’s more or less what we mean. It’s also made us realize that, frankly, we’ve made some mistakes over the years. Each spec is supposed to have some strengths and weaknesses, and as we’ve added abilities to shore up those weaknesses, we’ve diminished the value of their strengths.

Compare a Mage to a Warlock, for example. Mages were supposed to be highly mobile, but very squishy if you can lock them down; Warlocks were supposed to be able to take more direct punishment, but have a harder time getting away. But then we started giving Warlocks more mobility, which meant we had to give Mages more survivability, and nowadays those differences are subtle at best. The two classes should feel a lot more distinct than they do, both to play as and to play against. That means dialing back the mobility for Warlocks, and dialing back the survivability for Mages.

End result: Yes, you’ve probably lost a couple tools in Legion. But so have other people. So, when we get feedback along the lines of “Now I don’t have any way to deal with X”… we might actually think that’s a good thing. In PvP, this means you’re going to rely on your teammates a little more often. In a raid or dungeon, it means you might not want to purposefully stack Warlocks just because “they have the best numbers.”

On cooldowns: We’ve gotten a ton of feedback over the past couple of expansions that players feel like they aren’t able to do much without cooldowns active. When a Ret Paladin uses Avenging Wrath, Holy Avenger, and Execution Sentence all at once, they hit like a freight train carrying a truck full of bricks, but as soon as those effects end, they just kind of… keep themselves busy until their cooldowns are back up. “Your class is fun and exciting 17% of the time” isn’t awesome.

We’ve also gotten to the point where there’s entirely too many “get out of jail” cards in PvP. The Mage is in trouble… Ironbark. In trouble again… Nature’s Swiftness. Then Ice Block. Then another Ironbark. Then a trinket. Then Nature’s Swiftness. Then maybe, if you’re really good, you can get the Mage’s second Ice Block before Ironbark comes up again. He had to use Cold Snap, what an amazing play!

I’m obviously exaggerating here – most of the time, your goal is to force several of those cooldowns at once – but that kind of illustrates the point. In order for a kill to ever happen, things have to get excessive. So, in Legion, we want to chill out on just how strong those cooldowns can be, so that we can let you be more effective once they’ve worn off. Theoretically, we could accomplish that by just making the numbers on those cooldowns lower, but that quickly gets to the point where each individual cooldown just feels flat. “Increases damage by 5% for 20 seconds” just isn’t that exciting. Our only real alternative is to reduce how many cooldowns you have available, so that the ones that are left can still feel substantial.

Now then, on feedback: We recognize that all of these changes are pretty scary, and we’ve been in the MMO business long enough at this point to know better than to assume we’ll get everything right on the first try. So, let’s talk about feedback, and what you can do to help us make Legion an amazing expansion.

Many players have already been providing great feedback and bringing up good points of discussion, which we’re extremely grateful for, and have already made several changes that were influenced by that feedback. For example, pretty early on in the Legion Alpha, we decided against our original thought of removing resurrection spells from non-Healer specs (such as Shadow, Enhancement, or Balance). A lot of you thought that felt weird, and we agreed. More recently, several PvPers have expressed concern that Legion is currently too focused on simply dealing damage, and there aren’t enough opportunities for a skilled player to shine. That’s a big concern of ours as well, and one we’re doing our best to avoid.

However, sometimes good feedback gets so bogged down in hyperbole that it’s hard for us to tell if the point you’re making is based on actual concerns and testing, or if you’ve just been misinformed. For example, one complaint we see a lot is that “classes only have 5 or 6 spells in Legion.” That’s simply not true – as of this post, most specs have between 20 and 25 baseline abilities, with talents, Honor talents, and your Artifact active skill adding up to 5-10 abilities on top of that (and yes, we recognize that not all of those skills will be useful in all situations).

So, the biggest thing that can help us understand your concerns is to be as specific as possible. “I have too few abilities” is certainly a reasonable opinion, but that doesn’t tell us why you feel that way. Instead of leaving at that, try to expand on it a bit:

  • What specific ability do you miss, and why do you feel it’s important?
  • If you’re concerned that your spec will be too weak in a given scenario, what makes you feel that way? Do you feel you shouldn’t be? Why?
  • If you want more abilities, but are taking passive talents instead of active ones, why is that?
  • Are the new abilities your spec has in Legion not doing it for you? Why not?

Those are obviously just some examples, but that’s the sort of feedback that lets us really understand what your specific concerns are. And while there are certainly going to be cases in which we just disagree (we’re always going to do what we feel is right for the game), pointing out the underlying issues goes a long way towards making sure we recognize when we need to improve.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Broken Shore Scenario
Thanks for the feedback! What you're seeing is a consequence of the current beta concurrency. The Broken Shore Scenario supports up to 20 allied players at once (and eventually, 20 Horde as well).

New tech allows you to queue and be placed in the scenario immediately, without waiting for a full 20 players. For the first 20 seconds of the boat ride, other players can be placed in the instance, up to the cap of 20.

This will allow you to play a player-filled scenario during the first few weeks of the expansion launch, and continue to play Broken Shore much later in the expansion when less than 20 players are present in the queue.

This also means that the scenario should be fun for both groups of 20 and solo players, please let us know your thoughts! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Raid Testing Schedule - April 15-18
Schedule update: We'll only be testing Tel'arn on Monday.

High Botanist Tel'arn - Heroic Nighthold
14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

FEEDBACK: Artifacts in a Raid Context
So for today's raid tests (and going forward), we have artifact traits fully unlocked, and are scaling item level down a bit to offset the extra power. Please use this thread to offer feedback and discuss concerns regarding artifact traits in a raid context. That can be anything from bug reports, tuning issues, conceptual concerns with trait design, reports of traits that can break or trivialize mechanics, and so forth. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Discipline Priest Feedback -- Build 21466 -- 13-Apr
What kind of trinket rules should we be able to expect? Anything that does spell damage = atonement? Or only holy/shadow spell damage?
Not finalized yet. Worth pointing out, there is something to be said for the option of not letting any of them Atone, which would let us tune them around damage alone for Disc. That would probably mean a minor proc rate reduction compared to casters, rather than a very substantial one. And it would maintain the use cases for trinkets more clearly and consistently with other healers--healer trinkets for healing, DPS trinkets only for DPS use (so rarely in serious content). Either is an option; we want to see how it plays out in testing.

The main point above was that, in ether case, we don't want caster trinkets to be better for healing. Disc can get caster trinkets (necessarily, since Shadow uses them), and they can have some damage or damage+healing value, but they shouldn't be desirable for main role use in challenging content. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

World Quests - Time Remaining
Thanks for the feedback. We will be swapping it to the same notation as buffs are currrently (a single number, like "2h" or "49s"). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

[Feedback] Flightpaths
Final continent wide taxi pass is in progress right now. This should be improved soon™ (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Elemental Shaman Feedback -- Build 21466 -- 13-Apr
Chain Lightning consumes all 3 charges of Stormkeeper

Thanks, this should be fixed next build. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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This article was originally published in forum thread: Legion - World Quests, Salvage Yard, Pruning, PvP, Legion Goals, Tracer Spotlight started by chaud View original post
Published on 2016-04-16 07:10 PM
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  1. arcaneshot's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by pfbe View Post
    wait, what? Didn't a dev tell mages (in regards to them being the only class without a self heal) that it was okay, because mages were meant to avoid damage (and could conjure food, anyway)? What's this about mage survivability?
    Mage survivability hasn't been a thing, ever.
  1. guardian_titan's Avatar
    World quests look even worse after Blizzard explained them.
    1.) Yay for being forced to do more fill the bar quests that offer nothing to advance the story but "go here and do this because I say so."
    2.) Yay for being forced into a sardine can sized area with the rest of your server for a crappy reward (20-40 artifact power when ranks cost like 100-500 ... really? I have to suffer for potentially an hour fighting with others on my server for mobs for 20-40 artifact power?)
    3.) Go to an area and do something only to get a reward that's less than what you went there to get to get the reward to begin with. Get 40 stormscales and get 30 as a reward? Wow. At least add some gold or something.
    4.) Go to an area that's the size of a sardine can with potentially a handful of mobs that don't respawn fast enough for the number of players funneled into it for the chance at an item that could be mythic raid level.
    5.) Order resources ... garrison resources 2.0.
    6.) Killing a named mob for a decent chunk of gold. Hopefully it has a decent respawn rate and doesn't respawn once an hour. And hopefully it's open tap.
    7.) Pet quests that award an uncommon stone ... which are effectively worthless since any real trainer would want the rare ones and just toss the uncommon ones. At least give some gold or give them a sell price so we can sell them to a vendor.

    The quests might not be that bad. Maybe they'll be quick. But I'm reminded of Blizzard's idea of fun when it came to the Hallow's End dailies in Shadowmoon and the ones in Frostfire Ridge during Winter Veil. Shoving 50-200+ players into an area that's smaller than our garrison with mobs that don't respawn fast enough to support that number of players isn't fun. The size of the area should reflect the number of players intended to be there. If a quest has you kill 10 mobs and a named one while only being available for 12 hours and awards a piece of gear, it should not be in an area that's smaller than Trial of the Champions. If the quest only requires you kill a named mob, then that can be in an area the size of a level 1 garrison. If the quest requires you kill 10 mobs, free 5 prisoners, and kill 3 named mobs but lasts a week, then that can also be in a smaller area because players will eventually taper off as the week goes on.

    Put another way: quest length and requirements should equal the size of the quest area.

    Being shoved into a sardine can with 50-200+ players who are after the same reward I am isn't my idea of fun. Standing around twiddling my thumbs while hoping to snag a single spawn isn't fun. Spending an hour or more just to kill 10 mobs isn't fun. Standing around trying to do a crappy fill the bar when there's nothing to kill or even click due to crappy spawn rates and EVERYONE else on the server (and potentially more due to cross realm grouping) being there isn't fun.

    With the "On Pruning, PvP, and Our Goals for Legion" post, Blizzard finally eludes to it being SPEC fantasy, not class fantasy, that they're going for.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Refocusing each spec around their core concepts
    It's a bit late to retune the specs to have identities. I've played a shaman for nearly a decade now and now Blizzard's effectively telling me I've been playing wrong by taking away many abilities that were once base line. They back tracked on resurrection and wind shear, but still. The fact that they even ATTEMPTED it I find insulting. Make the specs more unique going forward. Stop giving class abilities and focus on spec ones, but don't take away what was base line just to make them spec specific for "spec fantasy". Change it going forward but don't screw over the veterans who don't want to lose an ability they love to a spec they hate ... or even to PvP.

    I also find it incredibly stupid how Blizzard is handling artifacts, class talents, and PvP talents. Why the hell do PvPers have access to all three but PvEers get screwed out of the PvP talents? Why the hell are they taking away abilities like my earth shield and grounding totem which I use frequently in PvE and giving them solely to PvP? PvP talents should be more along the lines of increasing or decreasing damage, getting out of stuns, reducing the duration of stuns or damage taken while stunned, increasing healing, increasing movement speed when using an ability, etc. It shouldn't be full of abilities taken away from those who PvE just so PvP can have some fun toys. If most of the artifact talents are effectively 1% increases to something (boring crap talents), then why is PvP getting fun abilities for effectively every choice? The system is rigged in favor of the PvPers in Legion. Either both groups of players should have access to all abilities in both of their areas of play, or they should just be outright removed. Don't give one side a "toy" that both sides used to be able to enjoy. That's just insulting.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    As someone who hates questing are they going to be forcing us to do this? I just like to raid.
  1. anon5123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by choww View Post
    Those world quests .... they look like Final Fantasy XIV ARR "FATES".
    No, they look more like Bounties from Diablo 3.

    Pretty cool, I guess, having random objectives around each zone.
  1. Sicnus's Avatar
    World Quests: IMHO, are a missed opportunity to allow folks to really and truly explore and (re)visit different zones in Azeroth and Outlands/Draenor.

    I think if they had REAL reasons and REAL (Current)loot to weekly go and visit random places around Azeroth and O/D then it'd be a heck of a lot more fun than having us do the same shit over and over in the same zones for 2 years. *sigh*

    There are so many cool zones that people never get to see because we are always stuck in the "Current Lands" of an expansion.

    Almost a good idea Blizzard, but you didn't quite make the mark.
  1. Elestia's Avatar
    Thanks for the heads up on the overwatch beta...
  1. mmocd3ce03bf68's Avatar
    Always gotta complain about something...

    I think world quests sound good so far. We were complaining that there wasn't enough to do outside of raids in WoD, so Blizzard are giving us outdoor quests that we can do at 110.

    If they continue to add more quests and interesting rewards throughout the expansion, it's a good way to keep the playerbase active and give them an excuse to leave Dalaran other than for raids.

    This, plus the new dungeon system, is a step in the right direction.
  1. Fincayra's Avatar
    I wouldn't have a single complaint if it wasn't for the "everyone can see the same quests at once" thing. If every character had a cooldown with bonus rare events for that character specifically, or even just 10% of the server, would make everyone a LOT happier. Seeing something pop up on your map at the same time as 500 other people all fighting for 10 mobs does not sound like fun to me.
  1. Thrackerzod's Avatar
    I don't understand why they don't just phase these events so everyone doesn't have to fight for mobs. That way you (and anyone in your party) get your own private little area instead of being squashed together with 100 other people waiting for respawns. Either that or stop making the quest areas so stupidly small, spread the mobs out around the zone. The winter veil daily quests were just terrible.
  1. Queen of Hamsters's Avatar
    However, sometimes good feedback gets so bogged down in hyperbole that it’s hard for us to tell if the point you’re making is based on actual concerns and testing, or if you’ve just been misinformed. For example, one complaint we see a lot is that “classes only have 5 or 6 spells in Legion.” That’s simply not true – as of this post, most specs have between 20 and 25 baseline abilities, with talents, Honor talents, and your Artifact active skill adding up to 5-10 abilities on top of that (and yes, we recognize that not all of those skills will be useful in all situations).

    And there the Hyperbole cirklejerk has it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicnus View Post
    World Quests: IMHO, are a missed opportunity to allow folks to really and truly explore and (re)visit different zones in Azeroth and Outlands/Draenor.

    I think if they had REAL reasons and REAL (Current)loot to weekly go and visit random places around Azeroth and O/D then it'd be a heck of a lot more fun than having us do the same shit over and over in the same zones for 2 years. *sigh*

    There are so many cool zones that people never get to see because we are always stuck in the "Current Lands" of an expansion.

    Almost a good idea Blizzard, but you didn't quite make the mark.
    They're focusing on Legion, NEW content, but that doesn't mean they can't use this tech in other areas in the future...like in MoP with 5.3 taking place in the Barrens.

    And if people want to see the old cool zones, they're free to go see them. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing anything if they only want it, this IS an mmorpg after all, so why do some of you people always need to be forced into certain activities and decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neps View Post
    Always gotta complain about something...

    I think world quests sound good so far. We were complaining that there wasn't enough to do outside of raids in WoD, so Blizzard are giving us outdoor quests that we can do at 110.

    If they continue to add more quests and interesting rewards throughout the expansion, it's a good way to keep the playerbase active and give them an excuse to leave Dalaran other than for raids.

    This, plus the new dungeon system, is a step in the right direction.
    Yep, and now people are bitching that "you're forced to do these activities, I just wanna PVP/Raid/Do Dungeons"...
    There's simply no pleasing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrackerzod View Post
    I don't understand why they don't just phase these events so everyone doesn't have to fight for mobs. That way you (and anyone in your party) get your own private little area instead of being squashed together with 100 other people waiting for respawns. Either that or stop making the quest areas so stupidly small, spread the mobs out around the zone. The winter veil daily quests were just terrible.
    Meanwhile, people complain far and wide about how the "MMO" of this game has gone away, and how no one ever has to interact with other players and so on and so forth...
    Seeing other people, competing for resources/kills and all that jazz is a natural part of an mmorpg. Phasing should only be done to further a story and make meaningful changes to the world, not to let players play without competition.
  1. Rudol Von Stroheim's Avatar
    Want to just do dungeons and raid? Pretty sure you'll still get to do that. They're even adding greater emphasis and replay value to dungeons themselves. The questing endgame is designed for people who prefer content outside of raids or dungeons, which actually, believe it or not, is the majority within World of Warcraft. I'm just happy they're not cramming it into a single zone they're funneling everyone into and that it's no longer heavily tied into a table.

    Then you've got someone complaining that the Shaman they've learned to play over the years is "all wrong" -- well, it is. Get over it. This has been a long, long, long standing complaint that hit its height during Cataclysm. That is, the classes have been homogenized to the point of feeling basically the same with some visual differences. The refocusing on themes of each class and spec is the biggest draw for me concerning Legion. It's going to make playing alts and alternative specs a lot more fun and add longevity to the gameplay.

    The only thing that made me raise a brow thus far for Legion is the return of the table(albeit much less substantial this time around) but outside of that, I'm honestly really excited for the changes. I mean... even PvP is getting a substantial revamp that will likely inject a great deal of life back into it. I've been done with PvP since WotLK and now I'm actually considering coming back to it.
  1. mmoc17dca7fbbd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by guardian_titan View Post
    World quests look even worse after Blizzard explained them.
    1.) Yay for being forced to do more fill the bar quests that offer nothing to advance the story but "go here and do this because I say so."
    2.) Yay for being forced into a sardine can sized area with the rest of your server for a crappy reward (20-40 artifact power when ranks cost like 100-500 ... really? I have to suffer for potentially an hour fighting with others on my server for mobs for 20-40 artifact power?)
    3.) Go to an area and do something only to get a reward that's less than what you went there to get to get the reward to begin with. Get 40 stormscales and get 30 as a reward? Wow. At least add some gold or something.
    4.) Go to an area that's the size of a sardine can with potentially a handful of mobs that don't respawn fast enough for the number of players funneled into it for the chance at an item that could be mythic raid level.
    5.) Order resources ... garrison resources 2.0.
    6.) Killing a named mob for a decent chunk of gold. Hopefully it has a decent respawn rate and doesn't respawn once an hour. And hopefully it's open tap.
    7.) Pet quests that award an uncommon stone ... which are effectively worthless since any real trainer would want the rare ones and just toss the uncommon ones. At least give some gold or give them a sell price so we can sell them to a vendor.

    The quests might not be that bad. Maybe they'll be quick. But I'm reminded of Blizzard's idea of fun when it came to the Hallow's End dailies in Shadowmoon and the ones in Frostfire Ridge during Winter Veil. Shoving 50-200+ players into an area that's smaller than our garrison with mobs that don't respawn fast enough to support that number of players isn't fun. The size of the area should reflect the number of players intended to be there. If a quest has you kill 10 mobs and a named one while only being available for 12 hours and awards a piece of gear, it should not be in an area that's smaller than Trial of the Champions. If the quest only requires you kill a named mob, then that can be in an area the size of a level 1 garrison. If the quest requires you kill 10 mobs, free 5 prisoners, and kill 3 named mobs but lasts a week, then that can also be in a smaller area because players will eventually taper off as the week goes on.

    Put another way: quest length and requirements should equal the size of the quest area.

    Being shoved into a sardine can with 50-200+ players who are after the same reward I am isn't my idea of fun. Standing around twiddling my thumbs while hoping to snag a single spawn isn't fun. Spending an hour or more just to kill 10 mobs isn't fun. Standing around trying to do a crappy fill the bar when there's nothing to kill or even click due to crappy spawn rates and EVERYONE else on the server (and potentially more due to cross realm grouping) being there isn't fun.

    With the "On Pruning, PvP, and Our Goals for Legion" post, Blizzard finally eludes to it being SPEC fantasy, not class fantasy, that they're going for.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Refocusing each spec around their core concepts
    It's a bit late to retune the specs to have identities. I've played a shaman for nearly a decade now and now Blizzard's effectively telling me I've been playing wrong by taking away many abilities that were once base line. They back tracked on resurrection and wind shear, but still. The fact that they even ATTEMPTED it I find insulting. Make the specs more unique going forward. Stop giving class abilities and focus on spec ones, but don't take away what was base line just to make them spec specific for "spec fantasy". Change it going forward but don't screw over the veterans who don't want to lose an ability they love to a spec they hate ... or even to PvP.

    I also find it incredibly stupid how Blizzard is handling artifacts, class talents, and PvP talents. Why the hell do PvPers have access to all three but PvEers get screwed out of the PvP talents? Why the hell are they taking away abilities like my earth shield and grounding totem which I use frequently in PvE and giving them solely to PvP? PvP talents should be more along the lines of increasing or decreasing damage, getting out of stuns, reducing the duration of stuns or damage taken while stunned, increasing healing, increasing movement speed when using an ability, etc. It shouldn't be full of abilities taken away from those who PvE just so PvP can have some fun toys. If most of the artifact talents are effectively 1% increases to something (boring crap talents), then why is PvP getting fun abilities for effectively every choice? The system is rigged in favor of the PvPers in Legion. Either both groups of players should have access to all abilities in both of their areas of play, or they should just be outright removed. Don't give one side a "toy" that both sides used to be able to enjoy. That's just insulting.
    i think mob-tapping is supposed to be gone in Legion (didnt see it implemented yet though), in that case most of your points are invalid

    This whole situation looks more like a scene from Star Wars 3 when everyone is applauding the rise of Emperor in the senate while democracy is dying...every fanboy is applauding these "world quests" while true meaning of "quest" is now just gone, they are putting a final nail into coffin od adventuring, Questing to 110 is the worst since ever, storyline its meh and shortest ever, like 2 hours for one zone (total joke, lowest number of "quests" ever as well) and now these world "quests"...they are not even quests, they are more precisely "bonus objectives".

    It seems people dont even realize that we get nothing else besides these "world objectives". No reputation development, no nothing. You hit 110, max your artifact weapons and all shit around that (3-4 months tops), then you kill all shit in LFR and then you will be like..."yeah, been there, done that, now what?"
  1. angrys13's Avatar
    In other news, Final Fantasy 14 Fate system implemented.
  1. mmoceb1073a651's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    Meanwhile, people complain far and wide about how the "MMO" of this game has gone away, and how no one ever has to interact with other players and so on and so forth...
    Seeing other people, competing for resources/kills and all that jazz is a natural part of an mmorpg. Phasing should only be done to further a story and make meaningful changes to the world, not to let players play without competition.
    WRONG. GW2 has personal resource nodes and LotRO has shared mob tagging. Both contribute to cooperative playing way more than WoW's outdated concept of nodes and mob tagging.

    Especially if everyone and their mother are shoved into the same small area because an event is happening there and only there, this will only cause grief. And while these bonus objectives are quite nice, they cannot replace questing as we have had before - you know, this thing with a storyline which develops over time as you progress in your questline or in reputation.

    Besides that, removing of skills or defining existing skills as PvP only is killing the RPG aspect of the game. STOP PRUNING you stupid, brainless devs! You already have a Diablo, a HotS and Overwatch incoming. You don't need a 4th game with less skilss than I have fingers...
  1. Fjordkeeper's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mask View Post
    I may be the only one, but I am loving the ability pruning and the class theme refocusing that they are doing. I actually had a lot more fun with PvP back in the vanilla wow days when classes were very distinct and all had very glaring strengths and weaknesses, as well as generally having a lot fewer cooldowns to work with. The ability bloat and class homogenization that has been going on over the last 7 or so years has really taken something away from the feel and quality of the game, imo.

    Glad to see Blizzard is finally realizing that and doing something about it. I just hope the inevitable whining from the playerbase doesn't cause them to backtrack on their vision here too much.
    Completely agree. I'll praise the day classes finally return to individuality.
  1. ItachiZaku's Avatar
    We’ve also gotten to the point where there’s entirely too many “get out of jail” cards in PvP. The Mage is in trouble… Ironbark. In trouble again… Nature’s Swiftness. Then Ice Block. Then another Ironbark. Then a trinket. Then Nature’s Swiftness. Then maybe, if you’re really good, you can get the Mage’s second Ice Block before Ironbark comes up again. He had to use Cold Snap, what an amazing play!
    That's fine, if that many defensive CDs are used, that one character should be alive, and I'm ok with that. On the flip side, if they said "F it" and went offensive instead, that mage and druid should have had no problem killing whatever was after them. That's the counter, right? You're saying, hypothetically, that this mage was being trained and everything was thrown to save him and he survived long enough for all that shit to happen. So, that druid, no matter the spec, should also have been able to kill whatever was attacking. Bar none.
  1. Queen of Hamsters's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by scubistacy View Post
    Besides that, removing of skills or defining existing skills as PvP only is killing the RPG aspect of the game. STOP PRUNING you stupid, brainless devs! You already have a Diablo, a HotS and Overwatch incoming. You don't need a 4th game with less skilss than I have fingers...
    However, sometimes good feedback gets so bogged down in hyperbole that it’s hard for us to tell if the point you’re making is based on actual concerns and testing, or if you’ve just been misinformed. For example, one complaint we see a lot is that “classes only have 5 or 6 spells in Legion.” That’s simply not true – as of this post, most specs have between 20 and 25 baseline abilities, with talents, Honor talents, and your Artifact active skill adding up to 5-10 abilities on top of that (and yes, we recognize that not all of those skills will be useful in all situations).

    Reading is hard yo. The only ones that are brainless and stupid, are the people cirklejerking around the prune.
  1. gutnbrg's Avatar
    Do people really care about the salvage yard? Its literally useless, Ive had it for over a year and have gotten NOTHING useful from it. Only greens to vendor and the mage "transmog" set that looks like crap...
  1. GMZohar1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rosebull View Post
    Honestly, if you don't understand why its a good thing i dont think theres any amount of explaining that will change your mind. Its pretty straight forward.
    Honestly, if you don't understand why its a good thing i dont think theres any amount of explaining that will change your mind. Its pretty straight forward.
  1. Sicnus's Avatar
    They're focusing on Legion, NEW content, but that doesn't mean they can't use this tech in other areas in the future...like in MoP with 5.3 taking place in the Barrens.

    And if people want to see the old cool zones, they're free to go see them. Nothing's stopping anyone from doing anything if they only want it, this IS an mmorpg after all, so why do some of you people always need to be forced into certain activities and decisions?
    I get what you are saying. My point is... why can't ALL of Azeroth / Draenor / Outlands be relavant (at least in some small part) by giving us REAL worth-while reasons to go and visit different areas.

    Sure, I can go to Winterspring, but why? I can go to Feralas, but why? I can go to Borean Tundra... but Why?

    There are no real reasons to compel anyone to go there en masse.

    Just make it an optional daily quest to get some "thing" in a random zone each day and we get rewarded the equiv of "5000" apexis crystals for going and doing a quest there. Maybe not everyone would do it, but folks wanting that little bit of extra crystals would.

    Anyhoo, that's my point. And that's my hope that one day they'll make Azeroth Great Again
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