New In-Game Shop Toys - Transmorpher Beacon and Faction Fireworks

Originally Posted by Blooming

Oh, okay. Lmao. So you're a turbo casual and therefore you agree with the game going in a turbo casual direction - got it.

How does you doing a m+ 5 levels higher than a 10 for no reason other than to say you did and a FoS translate into me being super casual?
Also, how does something on the in game shop count as a game going on a casual direction?
The fact you snipped 1 statement, not even a full sentence, out of an entire post to seem like you have something legit to say is beyond dumb. That’s not even ignorance, that’s just giving up on your own point in an attempt to attack someone. Even if I was a casual player, which I’m not, how does that have any bearing at all?

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Originally Posted by Orby

You know they already have xmogs in the shop right (or did, I think they were apart of the clear out sale), so my idea of new tier sets around xmogging are not too far out of the question.

And when you look at the first thing on the store day 1 to whats it's become and to what we have now on the store and the amount of variety, from then to now there's been a big change, from 1 mount to years later with mounts, toys, xmogs, character boosts, services, and now toys I think you're gonna be kicking yourself soon enough, just wait. But ignorance is bliss I guess.

Stop standing up for shitty games practices. I know you love Blizzard, hell I am a fan boy too but at least show some backbone to see shit when shit is present.

Get educated

And again, as long as it stays cosmetic I won’t care as none of those things are required to play and progress. When/if Blizz ever does put things like progression gear or gear tokens on the store, or paragon style levels, then I will quit the game as that will be my breaking point.
I know you weren’t responding to me, but had to throw that out.

I would have been relatively okay with this if the sales were all going to the thing I don't care about, but 25%? Lol

Originally Posted by Orby

You know they already have xmogs in the shop right (or did, I think they were apart of the clear out sale), so my idea of new tier sets around xmogging are not too far out of the question.

And when you look at the first thing on the store day 1 to whats it's become and to what we have now on the store and the amount of variety, from then to now there's been a big change, from 1 mount to years later with mounts, toys, xmogs, character boosts, services, and now toys I think you're gonna be kicking yourself soon enough, just wait. But ignorance is bliss I guess.

Stop standing up for shitty games practices. I know you love Blizzard, hell I am a fan boy too but at least show some backbone to see shit when shit is present.

Get educated

You say "Get educated" and apparently missed the fact I said cosmetic items were on the cash shop (the helmets which I believe were removed not long ago). And sorry, these "shitty game practices" have been around about TEN YEARS now from Blizzard, since WotLK I believe. Give me a fucking break man. Also please don't like me some shitty opinion piece video. Their opinion means just as much as mine as yours does, one person spouting what they believe on the issue.

If you are trying to pull this bullshit slippery slope shit on me then think again. Having cosmetics, pets, mounts, toys on the cash shop is meaningless if it offers no tangible in game benefit. The moment they start selling shit on that store that lets a player have an advantage in PvE, PvP or whatever THEN we can have a dialog about it. Until then? You are glooming and dooming over something that isn't that big of a deal. Get. Over. It.

And finally, I don't love or hate blizzard. I don't like some of the things they've done over the years but at the same time they provide plenty of value for my gaming dollar due to raiding. Well I don't even have to pay for the game anymore thanks to Bnet tokens I can get with gold. So whatever.

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Originally Posted by Tisane

Now that all collection-type items are or have been part of the Blizzard Store (transmogs/mounts/pets/toys), I wonder what's next. XP/Gold/Rep/Loot boosters? Purchasable gear?

Blizzard doesn't care if they're losing subs. Just look at Runescape 3: Players kept leaving and Jagex "fixed" it by adding in more and more micro transactions to milk out the remaining players, instead of trying to get people to return - till this very day.

Yes because in the what 8+ years the cash shop has been around it has devolved into selling P2W elements, gear, Xp, reputation, etc. Oh wait. No, it hasn't done any of that. Shocker. If this is a slippery slope and the TOYS are the one thing that will now tip the scales into GEAR on the cash shop, then this has been the SLOWEST fucking slippery slope I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Eapoe

And again, as long as it stays cosmetic I won’t care as none of those things are required to play and progress. When/if Blizz ever does put things like progression gear or gear tokens on the store, or paragon style levels, then I will quit the game as that will be my breaking point.
I know you weren’t responding to me, but had to throw that out.

I feel like that is one of the reasons it is likely to never happen because people WILL quit the moment that shit goes P2W. How many is hard to say, but it will raise one hell of a stink that is far larger than this "Omg a toy on the cash shop" bleating that is going on now.

Originally Posted by kamuimac

and what is bad about it ? BfA is the first exansion since MoP where gold isnt dropping from the sky so its natural that a lot of people are willing to buy gold for tokens. for a lot of us its very simple math - how long it would take us to farm up this amount of gold vs how fast we earn 20 euro to buy it.

i dont know how it is for you and tbh dont care but in many European countries it relatively easy to make 30-40 euro per hour as long are you are not some basic level physical worker. now how many hours will it take you to farm up 170k for 1 token ? i bet that unless you are crazy good AH player it will be much longer then those 20-30 minutes of work.

and there is this magical thing called overhours which pay 150-200% at least here where i work

so is it really worth to farm gold in game in case like this ?

Didn't say it was bad at all... a symbiotic relationship I'd say!

Can I afford the to real money? Yea, easily, but I'd rather pay with tokens. No farming required, most of my gold this expansion comes from raid BOE's and being self sufficient on consumables.

Originally Posted by Bennett

Okay. World of Warcraft is a subscription based gamed - every month we pay a fixed amount and in return we are granted access to ALL of the games content. Mounts, toys etc count as content. When the more unique and detailed mounts and toys find their way onto the store, and the only possible way to acquire them is to pay even more money on top of the fee you already pay - that is objectively anti-consumer. If you can't see that then you're either dangerous ignorant or just dishonest.

Anti-consumerism would be in opposition to what Blizzard is doing. Try reading the links.

And can you cite a source that says we are granted access to ALL content?

And do you oppose Collector’s Edition exclusive mounts/pets/transmog/toys? What about these items acquired through certain achievements?

Originally Posted by Bennett

Dude. You literally don't understand what anti-consumerism means if you actually believe that.

Can you cite the source that says we aren't?

Anti-consumerism is the idealogy opposed to people buying material goods just because they’re being marketed to them, as well as having interests in protecting the environment.

It feels as if you just put the words “anti” and “consumer” together in an attempt to make a word to mean “screw the customer over”. Anti-consumerism is against big corporation (or at least many of the practices big corporations use) You’d know this if you read my links.

And so...no source on access to all content, then?

Let me get this right...

Did they start selling the beacon at 20 min duration with a 10 min cooldown, and then only after they sold some hotfix it to 1 hour?

If that's the case, that feels real underhanded and scummy to me.

Originally Posted by moveth

The transmorpher beacon CD increase took me from about to make my first purchase on the blizzard store to immediately ALT+F4ing the page. You almost got 10 bucks from me Blizzard. Fuck you.

They FIXED the item with the "nerf", you couldn't be transformed for than once per hour in the first place so the 10 minute CD wouldn't have made it more usable anyway.

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Originally Posted by Alcsaar

Let me get this right...

Did they start selling the beacon at 20 min duration with a 10 min cooldown, and then only after they sold some hotfix it to 1 hour?

If that's the case, that feels real underhanded and scummy to me.

You could only be transmorphed once per hour in the first place, meaning the "nerf" only brought the item in line with the hidden cd on the actually transformation.

Originally Posted by Bennett

We're talking about two different things here. You're talking about the ideology that is literally opposed to consumerism as a whole, I and others are talking about practices perpetrated by big companies that are damaging for consumers - phrases have more than one meaning y'know.

And those practices are called “consumerism”, not “anti-consumerism”. Get it now?

Just because you want to use words for meanings other than their intended ones doesn’t make you right.

And this is how far people have to go to defend this shit - you're asking me for the source that says the subscription entitles you to access all content - because that's literally what a subscription is. If there were more than one type of WoW sub you might have a point, or if WoW was free etc, but it's neither of those things. You're asking me to prove the sub entitles people to access all content - well, the burden of proof is on you there mate, not me.

No, you made the claim. The burden is on you. I haven’t made any claim. I asked if you had proof of yours.

You’ll also note I haven’t made one single comment about my thoughts on these toy items, and similar situations.

Originally Posted by Bennett

We're talking about two different things here. You're talking about the ideology that is literally opposed to consumerism as a whole, I and others are talking about practices perpetrated by big companies that are damaging for consumers - phrases have more than one meaning y'know.

And this is how far people have to go to defend this shit - you're asking me for the source that says the subscription entitles you to access all content - because that's literally what a subscription is. If there were more than one type of WoW sub you might have a point, or if WoW was free etc, but it's neither of those things. You're asking me to prove the sub entitles people to access all content - well, the burden of proof is on you there mate, not me.

No, it’s literally on you to prove the sub gives access to everything since you are making that specific claim. It’s not on him/her to disprove it. It’s also just as easily stated that the sub allows you access to play the game for a month, and that’s it. By your logic the burden of proof is on you to show that’s not true.
Also, the other person is using the literal definition of anticonsumerism while you are making up your own definition for it. Your usage of it is wrong and you should admit that and rephrase, otherwise you are just doubling down on being wrong.

Originally Posted by Alcsaar

Let me get this right...

Did they start selling the beacon at 20 min duration with a 10 min cooldown, and then only after they sold some hotfix it to 1 hour?

If that's the case, that feels real underhanded and scummy to me.

In addition to what was said, when the advertisement went up it, it was labeled as an hour long cooldown.

That being said...I had my doubts about it but actually it's kinda cool. It doesn't just turn you into them, but also gives you their voice lines/shouts in combat like the Millhouse duplicator does.

Still don't think I'd spend $10 on it, but I'll definitely use it if others drop one.

Originally Posted by FanaticDreamer

I don't understand what this has to do with anything.

Is English not your first language? It's really easy to understand the sentence can't make it more simple for you.