Gaza rocket fire resumes

[Darkis]

Well if they did it that time (I don't really know), I can't blame them for shooting after the warning.

I can't speak of that particular time either, since i have no idea tbh. But that is general procedure, that was never, EVER, skipped in my 3 years of service.

[Subetei]

I am still baffled by how touchy people get about Israel. Multiple genocides are happening simultaneously throughout the world right now, and nobody ever makes threads about those. Not a single fuck is given for the thousands of innocents slaughtered every year in Africa or Southeast Asia. But when Israel retaliates against Palestinian rebels? Hold on to your ass, because this is an international emergency! Forget about ethnic cleansing and human trafficking, we need to stop Israel RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

Somebody explain that to me.

it's been going on for over 40 years and most people in the U.S. and Israel don't see it as a problem but everyone else does. 40 years! the occupation is older than you are probably. Those "others" get condemned for it pretty fast comparatively.

[Zecora]

and pointing to someone else's bad behaviour and atrocities isnt justification for your own. As far as your attempts to paint the entire IDF as 'child killers' is dishonest at best, and disgusting either way.

That cuts both ways. Painting Palestinian civillians as "terrorists" based on the actions of some of them is just as bad. Bottom line: You'll find monsters and saints on both sides.

[Doktor Faustus]

1700s vs 2000s...times are different

Not really, 'cept we have more lethal weapons and bits of technology.

People are as intelliegent (or animalistic?) as they have been for 100,000 years.

[Haarvald]

That cuts both ways. Painting Palestinian civillians as "terrorists" based on the actions of some of them is just as bad. Bottom line: You'll find monsters and saints on both sides.

I agree with you completely, I dont have any issue with Palestinians, my issue is solely with Hamas, I see the Gaza citizens as victims of Hamas.

[Deleted]

Could you please explain what a 9 year old girl doing in the buffer zone 5 miles away from her house during the night with a backpack on her?

5 miles from her house? She had no house, she was a refugee, Israel probably demolished her house, or blew it up.

A backpack? It was her schoolbag, she was 12, not 9, my mistake. Should Palestinians not be allowed to go to school now? Just in case they are carrying bombs in their backpack.

Here is the real nasty part about it:
"The case came to light after soldiers under the command of Captain R went to an Israeli newspaper to accuse the army of covering up the circumstances of the killing. "

"The tape reveals that the soldiers said Iman (the girl) was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot."

Here is the Radio conversation:

Watchtower
‘It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastward’

Operations room
‘Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?’

Watchtower
‘A girl of about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death’

Captain R (after killing the girl)
‘Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed’

Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah’s hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times.

[Subetei]

Everyone should watch this documentary Defamation by an Israeli filmmaker that attempts to examined the phenomena around antisemitism and Israel. He goes to holocaust camp with a bunch of Israeli students being escorted by a Mossad agent and the kids are kept isolated and told that everyone is antisemitic and out to get them. It's an attempt to desensitize Israelis to palestinian suffering one of the students says and this is the lesson well Israel is bulldozing palestinian home well big deal... the holocaust. The holocaust is being used as a weapon against the palestinians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jsiLWXGYQ

[Haarvald]

Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah’s hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times.

And this is your view of all IDF or All Israelis? Or are you trying to justify wanton targeting of Israeli citizens? If so I'm certain that I can find just as unflattering, infact utterly disgusting and heinous things that Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinians have done, even as recently as two days ago.

[soulcrusher]

And this is your view of all IDF or All Israelis? Or are you trying to justify wanton targeting of Israeli citizens? If so I'm certain that I can find just as unflattering, infact utterly disgusting and heinous things that Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinians have done, even as recently as two days ago.

You just don't get it. The complete lack of empathy, the needless killing of a young terrified girl. You instantly try and draw a comparison with Hamas. You miss the point completely and in the process underline everything that people find so despicable about this. Maybe you should make them all sew yellow crescents on their clothes while your at it.

[Haarvald]

You just don't get it. The complete lack of empathy, the needless killing of a young terrified girl. You instantly try and draw a comparison with Hamas. You miss the point completely and in the process underline everything that people find so despicable about this. Maybe you should make them all sew yellow crescents on their clothes while your at it.

No, what I DO get is that no matter what, you and those like you will excuse every damn thing that Hamas and the Palestinians DO, and vilify every damn thing that the IDF and Israelis do.... You don't want them to have peace, neither do those that willfully attack with only 1/2 the facts. What YOU don't get is that Israel could easily seal up the borders and turn off the water and electricity and TRULY show you want a 'concentration camp' is, instead of what you are accusing them of. No matter what Israel does you'll find a reason to attack, denigrate and vilify them, and that's your right to do exactly that, but don't you DARE cry foul when your inhumanity is exposed.

Personally, I think Israel should publicly announce to the world in every language, that they will not attack Gaza, but that they WILL with extreme prejudice eliminate every rocket launch site in Gaza. They should put a JSTARS/AWACS plane in the air and every single rocket launch that comes from Gaza will result in a targeted 2,000lb bomb on that location. That way, the 'civilians' know to get the hell away from Hamas. I dont want to see a single Palestinian citizen injured, what I DO want is every Hamas member, every Hamas sympathizer and anyone else that truly doesn't want peace eliminated, permanently... on both sides... because this is beyond stupid and silly. You claim Hamas and Gaza want 'peace' but you fucking bomb buses on the fucking DAY of a cease-fire.

[Deleted]

And this is your view of all IDF or All Israelis? Or are you trying to justify wanton targeting of Israeli citizens? If so I'm certain that I can find just as unflattering, infact utterly disgusting and heinous things that Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinians have done, even as recently as two days ago.

You're the one grasping desperately at justifications, trying to find some sinister motive in people just because they think that shooting a young school girl 17 times is not OK.

What we can say, without doubt, is that the "Captain R" is not fit to serve in the military. It's a huge failure of IDF that such a person had a weapon and the authority to use it anywhere near Palestinians. I don't know what happened to him, but assuming the Israeli justice system didn't fail at its job as badly as the defense force did he will be in prison for life.

[tremulant]

You just don't get it. The complete lack of empathy, the needless killing of a young terrified girl.

no u,
Honestly, do you really not see how this is an isolated case of a madman that just snapped,
It's a terrible case, but you absolutely can't attribute any actions this man took as "standard IDF policy"..
You can't take the crazy mans lack of empathy and pretend it's IDF's "lack of empathy"..
Everything from his actions on that night, to his interactions with the watchtower and to the shocked reaction of his fellow soldiers point to the fact that he "snapped" and acted alone.

It's no different than the Robert Bales afghan massacre.

Using this isolated case as a sticking point is really a disservice to your side of the bigger argument,
You're holding an isolated action of a single crazy person against the IDF, when (and i'm gonna do exactly what you said and bring up the hamas comparison) Hamas willingly and admittedly attempt to do what that crazy person did every time they fire a missile into a populated city or blow up a bus, and they celebrate it when they succeed.

[Deleted]

You're the one grasping desperately at justifications, trying to find some sinister motive in people just because they think that shooting a young school girl 17 times is not OK.

What we can say, without doubt, is that the "Captain R" is not fit to serve in the military. It's a huge failure of IDF that such a person had a weapon and the authority to use it anywhere near Palestinians. I don't know what happened to him, but assuming the Israeli justice system didn't fail at its job as badly as the defense force did he will be in prison for life.

AFAIK, the courts wanted him found guilty, but the military overruled their judgement, and he got off with minor charges.

The girls family want him to be tried for murder.

Horrific that he got away with it really... His excuse was that they thought she mig have a bomb in her bag, but his fellows soldiers say that they shot at her, and she dropped her bag and ran, they then shot the bag to establish that it had no explosives, but the "captain" went out and killed her anyway.

[someotherguy]

You're the one grasping desperately at justifications, trying to find some sinister motive in people just because they think that shooting a young school girl 17 times is not OK.

What we can say, without doubt, is that the "Captain R" is not fit to serve in the military. It's a huge failure of IDF that such a person had a weapon and the authority to use it anywhere near Palestinians. I don't know what happened to him, but assuming the Israeli justice system didn't fail at its job as badly as the defense force did he will be in prison for life.

the case happened in 2004, so that's how isolated the incident is.

[Deleted]

[Deleted]

the case happened in 2004, so that's how isolated the incident is.

Do you honestly think this is an 'Isolated case'? The IDF has been condemned multiple times by the UN for it's slaughter of Palestinian women and children. You might want to read these, I think the 2nd site sums it all up tbh, 1,477 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis and 129 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians since September 29, 2000. :

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

~snip~ (EXTREMELY GRAPHIC, NSFW)

From Wikipedia:
In 2012, Breaking the Silence, an organization founded by former Israeli soldiers whose purpose is to expose alleged abuses committed by the Israeli Defence Forces released a booklet of witness reports written by more than 30 former Israeli soldiers. These reports document of Palestinian children being beaten, intimidated, humiliated, verbally abused and injured by Israeli soldiers.


Mod Warning - Some links are fine to post with the NSFW tag, but not this, this is just going over the line, don't do it again.

[john-scar]

Free palestine /weep

[Haarvald]

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Perhaps you should investigate those deaths miss, and you'll find that a vast majority of them have been as a result of Hamas using them as human shields. Which of course, is against the Geneva Convention AND IS a war crime... but... I suppose its the IDF that only kills civilians...

Perhaps Israel should start treating Hamas spies the way that Hamas treat those folks on Tuesday, or maybe you'd prefer Israelis boarding buses in Gaza and blowing themselves up? Maybe the IDF should stop trying to be polite and play by the same 'rules' that Hamas does... you know, indiscriminately targeting civilian populations instead of just responding to rockets. I dont know, what do you think? Think thats how they should handle it?

[Deleted]

Interesting interview with former USA president Jimmy Carter, talking about 'Apartheid' Israel's treatment of Palestinians. He say's that it's one of the worst deprivations of human rights that he has ever seen.

[Haarvald]

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I have more respect for Hamas than I do Jimmy Carter, and I find them BOTH stains on humanity.

Truth is I find Carter to be among the 3 worst presidents in the history of the US.